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Is that what was going on, or was Trump upset because they were talking about the Texas flood and this guy decided to insert Epstein, just asking for a friend, was that the right time and place for that question?

No, Trump has never before demonstrated any intransigence about answering ANY question from the press at ANY time.  Until today, that is, when he suddenly interjected as Bondi floundered, throwing her a lifeline.  Pretty clear that Trump is personally the one calling the shots over the Epstein files now instead of Bondi or Patel.
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As I have repeatedly said, Epstein was an active MOSAD agent and BiBi has gotten Trump's ear on the matter.

Maybe not an agent but an "asset."  You're probably on to something considering how jittery Bondi, Patel, and Bongino are acting about this, and why Trump got so irritated today at that question.
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The DOJ and Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers have made a deal that her “little black book” of contacts will never be made public

That's a bad deal for her now, at this juncture.  With everybody involved seemingly dead, and Andrew still free and quietly living the good life in the UK, I say it's time to let her out.
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That's a bad deal for her now, at this juncture.  With everybody involved seemingly dead, and Andrew still free and quietly living the good life in the UK, I say it's time to let her out.

Nadia Marcinko went missing eighteen months ago.  Ghislaine may be safer where she is now.
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Maybe not an agent but an "asset."  You're probably on to something considering how jittery Bondi, Patel, and Bongino are acting about this, and why Trump got so irritated today at that question.
You may be right ... but I believed Trump. He came there to talk about Texas, Ukraine, Tariffs, Israel, the Economy etc. and all he gets are questions about Epstein.

After All I Have Done! With everything going on at this moment. You want to talk about a dead guy! Maybe it was an act. I don't know? But I understood Trump's frustration. HEY GUYS! Can we talk about ME for a minute? Sounds like Trump to me?
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Nadia Marcinko went missing eighteen months ago.  Ghislaine may be safer where she is now.

Probably.  Sucks being Epstein's fall gal at this point, with him dead and roasting in hell.
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You may be right ... but I believed Trump. He came there to talk about Texas, Ukraine, Tariffs, Israel, the Economy etc. and all he gets are questions about Epstein.

After All I Have Done! With everything going on at this moment. You want to talk about a dead guy! Maybe it was an act. I don't know? But I understood Trump's frustration. HEY GUYS! Can we talk about ME for a minute? Sounds like Trump to me?

Perhaps BUT note Bondi's final answer:

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To him being an agent; I have no knowledge of that. We can get back to you on that."

Classic, lawyerly weasel words instead of a firm yes or no, giving her plausible deniability.  When I heard her say that, I knew that it was true.
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Epstein Files: Full List Of High-Profile People Named In Unsealed Docs

The list of around 150 people also include names of Epstein's associates in a lawsuit brought against his former girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell in 2015 and the fist list was published on Wednesday under the order of a New York judge.

Ejaz Ul Haq Bhat, World News  |  Jan 06, 2024  |  14:25 pm IST


Former US presidents Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, former US first lady Hillary Clinton, renowned theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking, Hollywood star Leonardo DiCaprio are among over 100 high-profile people named in the court documents linked to Jeffrey Epstein, a US financier and notorious sex-offender.

The list of around 150 people also include names of Epstein's associates in a lawsuit brought against his former girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell in 2015 and the fist list was published on Wednesday under the order of a New York judge.

The second list of court documents linked to Epstein was released on Thursday evening that included names of people already made public, while the third list was released on Friday.

Some individuals have objected to the disclosure of their identities in the case.

Here is the full list of people named in Epstein's files:

Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's former girlfriend, sentenced in 2022 to 20 years in prison in sex-trafficking
Prince Andrew, second son of Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain
Bill Clinton, former US president
Donald Trump, former US president
Hillary Clinton, former first lady to Bill Clinton
David Copperfield, American stage magician
John Connelly, New York police detective turned investigative journalist who investigated Epstein
Alan Dershowitz, prolific lawyer
Leonardo DiCaprio, actor famous for his roles in Titanic
Al Gore, former US vice president
Stephen Hawking, renowned theoretical physicist
Ehud Barak, former Israeli prime minister
Michael Jackson, famed musician known as the "King of Pop"
Marvin Minksy, artificial intelligence pioneer
Kevin Spacey, American actor
George Lucas, American film director
Jean Luc Brunel, French model agency boss
Cate Blanchett, Australian actor
Naomi Campbell, British model
Sharon Churcher, British journalist
Bruce Willis, retired American actor
Bill Richardson, former governor of New Mexico
Cameron Diaz, American actress
Glenn Dubin, American investor
Eva Andersson-Dubin, former Miss Sweden and wife of Glenn Dubin
Noam Chomsky, linguist and political philosopher
Tom Pritzker, American tycoon and philanthropist
Chris Tucker, American comedian and actor
Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, former wife of Prince Andrew
Robert F Kennedy Jr, American politician and conspiracy theorist
James Michael Austrich
Juan and Maria Alessi, husband and wife working at Epstein's home in Florida
Janusz Banasiak, served as Epstein's Palm Beach house manager
Bella Klein or Klen, former accountant in Epstein's New York office
Leslie or Lesley Groff, Epstein's former secretary
Victoria Bean
Rebecca Boylan
Dana Burns
Ron Eppinger, sex trafficker
Daniel Estes
Annie Farmer, accused Epstein of sexual assault
Maria Farmer, Annie Farmer's sister
Anouska De Georgiou, a model who accused Epstein of rape
Louis Freeh, former director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
Alexandra Fekkai, son of celebrity hairstylist
Jo Jo Fontanella, Epstein's butler
Virginia Giuffre, formerly known as Virginia Roberts
Lynn Miller, mother of Virginia Giuffre
Crystal Figueroa
Anthony Figueroa, Virginia Robert's former boyfriend
Eric Gany
Meg Garvin
Sheridan Gibson-Butte,
Ross Gow, Maxwell's press agent
Fred Graff
Robert Giuffre
Philip Guderyon
Alexandra Hall
Joanna Harrison
Shannon Harrison
Victoria Hazel
Brittany Henderson
Brett Jaffe
Forest Jones
Sarah Kellen,
Adriana Ross, Epstein's former assistant
Carol Kess
Dr Steven Olson
Stephen Kaufmann
Wendy Leigh, author
Peter Listerman
Tom Lyons
Nadia Marcinkova
Bob Meister
Jamie Melanson
Donald Morrell
David Mullen
David Norr
Joe Pagano
May Paluga
Stanley Pottinger
Detective Joe Recarey
Chief Michael Reiter
Rinaldo and Debra Rizzo, husband and wife who worked for Epstein's alleged friend Glenn Dubin
Sky Roberts
Kimblerley Roberts
Lynn Roberts
Haley Robson
Dave Rodgers, private jet pilot for Epstein
Alfredo Rodriquez, butler at Epstein's Florida home
Scott Rothinson
Forest Sawyer
Dough Schoetlle,investigator
Johanna Sjoberg
Cecilia Stein
Marianne Strong
Mark Tafoya
Emmy Taylor, Maxwell's ex-personal assistant
Brent Tindall
Kevin Thompson
Ed Tuttle
Les Wexner, former business partner of Epstein
Abigail Wexner, wife of Lex Wexner
Cresenda Valdes
Emma Vaghan
Anthony Valladares
Christina Venero, licensed massage therapist
Maritza Vazquez
Vicky Ward, investigative journalist
Jarred Weisfield
Sharon White
Courtney Wild
Daniel Wilson
Mark Zeff, New York decorator
Alfredo Rodriguez, Epstein's former household manager
Dr Chris Donahue, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
Dr Wah Wah, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
Judith Lightfoot, psychologist who treated Virginia Giuffre
Dr Karen Kutikoff, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
Dr Carol Hayek, psychiatrist who treated Virginia Giuffre
Dr John Harris, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
Dr Darshanee Majaliyana, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
Dr John Harris, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
Dr Mona Devansean, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
Dr Scott Robert Geiger, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
Dr Michele Streeter, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
Donna Oliver, physician assistant who treated Virginia Giuffre

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Can't believe Rick James and PeeWee Herman aren't on that list.
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Just because there is a name in Epstein's rolodex, just because Epstein knows someone's name, is a lot different than proving something incriminating. If Epstein really was blackmailing people, then there must be a lot more evidence than a name on a list.

Show us the real stuff he had in his safes.
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If Epstein really was blackmailing people, then there must be a lot more evidence than a name on a list.

Show us the real stuff he had in his safes.

The FBI is now blackmailing the same people Epstein was blackmailing.  Do you really think they'd give up that gig?  If the list goes public, no more blackmail.
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I doubt he was an agent - Maybe an asset. Governments tend to keep a couple degrees  of separation between themselves and the dirt they do. If they can't get a warrant, they will usually farm out the work to someone who does not share that restriction. In that, the information would never stand up to a court's scrutiny, but information has its own worth aside from the bust.

Agent, asset, all the same as far as I can tell.
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 Jeffrey Epstein’s brother rips feds for ruling pedophile’s death as suicide: ‘I laughed at how stupid it was’
By Patrick Reilly   
Published July 9, 2025, 8:08 a.m. ET


Autopsy photos of Jeffrey Epstein.

Jeffrey Epstein’s brother said he “laughed at how stupid it was” for the feds to suddenly rule out the possibility his pedophile brother’s jail death was anything but a suicide.

“Every time they say something or do something to try to quash the fact that he was most likely murdered, they just put their foot further down their mouths,” Mark Epstein told NewsNation host Chris Cuomo on Tuesday night.

He highlighted how FBI Director Kash Patel “listed his credentials as a prosecutor” when he “said, ‘You know a suicide when you see it.’”

“You know, that’s basically what he said,” Epstein said dismissively.

Mark Epstein noted Patel is not a forensic pathologist and has no medical degree, and questioned whether he even had “a Boy Scout merit badge for first aid” to confirm that his brother killed himself in his Manhattan lockup in 2019.

He noted two medical examiners involved in autopsies for his brother — Dr. Kristin Roman and Dr. Michael Baden — who were unable to give firm rulings. The brother suggested it pointed more to homicide than suicide.

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Bondi claimed she had the documents and lists on her desk....   Someone's fibbin'
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Bondi claimed she had the documents and lists on her desk....   Someone's fibbin'

At this point, EVERYBODY’S fibbin’.  **nononono*
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At this point, EVERYBODY’S fibbin’.  **nononono*

Agree.   And a stain on what has been a fantastic first 6 months of the Trump 2.0 presidency,.

Time to rip the bandaid off, and move on.
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The conclusion everyone is reaching is that there is one or more people on that list that those who possess the list do not wish to be made public.

Trust will only be eroded further if not released.

The problem we will continue to have is that any list that will be eventually released will also not be trusted as it will be scrubbed of those names, just like the 60 seconds magically was erased.
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The conclusion everyone is reaching is that there is one or more people on that list that those who possess the list do not wish to be made public.
If true, whoever it is, the person is not Trump. All of this evidence was in the hands of the Biden people, possibly the most corrupt administration in American history. If there was even a small indication of an echo of a hint that Trump is implicated, the accusation would have been on the frontpage of every newspaper on Earth the same day. CNN and MSNBC would have been throwing block parties to celebrate. The fact that nobody has "leaked" Trump's involvement (even as untrue propaganda which they do daily with other smears) means that Trump is in the clear.

Most of what I have read says that the FBI is still using the blackmail ongoing. And they do not want to give up their leverage. Who knows? The only thing we do know is that they are lying. I wonder if Epstein is sitting on some secret government island somewhere laughing at all of us.
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If true, whoever it is, the person is not Trump. All of this evidence was in the hands of the Biden people, possibly the most corrupt administration in American history. If there was even a small indication of an echo of a hint that Trump is implicated, the accusation would have been on the frontpage of every newspaper on Earth the same day. CNN and MSNBC would have been throwing block parties to celebrate. The fact that nobody has "leaked" Trump's involvement (even as untrue propaganda which they do daily with other smears) means that Trump is in the clear.

Most of what I have read says that the FBI is still using the blackmail ongoing. And they do not want to give up their leverage. Who knows? The only thing we do know is that they are lying. I wonder if Epstein is sitting on some secret government island somewhere laughing at all of us.
epstein died under trumps watch, the list wasn’t released during the trump first term, the original 2008 plea deal was done by a republican who trump promoted. Trump is knee deep in this.

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Epstein List didn't kill itself...

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THIS IS OFF TOPIC BUT: Since we are discussing things that are never going to happen, whatever happened to going to Fort Knox to see if the gold is really there? Find the nonexistent gold and you may find the client list (which also does not exist).
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epstein died under trumps watch, the list wasn’t released during the trump first term, the original 2008 plea deal was done by a republican who trump promoted. Trump is knee deep in this.

Note that the 'list' of names referenced above lists 'Trump' as a former president -- so obviously the 'list' is old.

Trump is on the list whether he visited Epstein's island once or many times, it is troubling. I think he had enough dirt on quite a few people to to take then down -- however a few of those that he intended to hold accountable are far more powerful and likely have threatened his family.  Butler was a warning shot.  Just my opinion.
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Peter Schweizer: Feds Have Had Epstein Client List Since 2019

Whatever the truth may be about Jeffrey Epstein’s suicide or “client list,” he was engaged in the business of human trafficking and that leaves a paper trail.  As Peter Schweizer noted on the most recent episode of The Drill Down podcast, investment bank JP Morgan Chase turned over the Epstein records it had, worth over 1 billion dollars, to the federal government in 2019. Why haven’t those records been released?

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“We have more than $1 billion were used for purposes of human trafficking,” JP Morgan wrote to the Justice Department after Epstein’s death, Schweizer says. As Eric Eggers notes, we “follow the money.” So, why has no one else been investigated in light of JP Morgan’s disclosures?

On a very special episode of The Drill Down, featuring interviews they conducted while guest hosting the Sean Hannity radio show, Schweizer and Eggers interviewed Epstein’s former attorney David Schoen, who said he was not surprised there was no client list or evidence Epstein tried to blackmail famous people. He continues to doubt that Epstein killed himself, however, based on the findings of Dr. Michael Baden, whom he called the best forensic pathologist in the world. He also said Epstein asked him to do work that would only have had an impact much later, suggesting he had no intention to kill himself.

“If he had information about those people, logically he would have used that in his defense,” Schoen says.

“Baden says, in all of the thousands and thousands of cases he’s done, he’s never seen injuries like this consistent with suicide. Period,” Schoen replies.

“The fact there’s no client list doesn’t mean these people might not have a problem,” Schweizer says. “Do you believe there’s a legal culpability?”

“I don’t think he would have blackmailed them,” Schoen answers. “He enjoyed their company. Your listeners should be aware that a woman who sent women to Epstein gave a sworn statement to the FBI that Epstein had one rule — ‘No one under 18, ever.’ She told these [women] ‘you better have a fake ID or be over 18.’”

Schoen told Schweizer and Eggers that he thinks the profile for someone who would have killed Epstein would have been someone who wanted to be a hero, a charge he has made previously.

Reacting to Attorney General Pam Bondi’s statement to go to the media, Schoen believes she was previously referring to the entire Epstein file on her desk, not to a definite client list.

Schweizer says, “The problem I have with this case is that you have this massive amount of human trafficking, You have [Ghislaine] Maxwell going to jail, but no other prosecutions of anybody else.”

“That’s a fair and important point,” Schoen replied. “Many of those wealthy people engaged in these activities but there may not be any proof of it… Regarding Donald Trump, I can tell you unequivocally that Jeffrey Epstein had no info whatsoever about any nefarious activity involving President Trump.”

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THIS IS OFF TOPIC BUT: Since we are discussing things that are never going to happen, whatever happened to going to Fort Knox to see if the gold is really there? Find the nonexistent gold and you may find the client list (which also does not exist).
Probably wrapped around all those tungsten bars the Clintons bought.
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This Epstein stuff has the potential to fracture the MAGA base, as others have observed. The statements of what does or doesn’t exist simply don’t make sense. PDJT had better come to grips with this quickly or his standing may take a hit. Considering what we don’t know, that may be his best option.
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