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Offline rangerrebew

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Does NATO Still Matter?
« on: July 03, 2025, 09:32:00 am »
Does NATO Still Matter?
By John R. Deni

The alliance has created economic growth, peace and stability.
 
America’s relationship with Europe is undergoing a potentially profound reexamination. Whether and how the transatlantic bond — especially America’s commitment to NATO — will endure has become an open question.

To some degree, reassessment makes sense. The NATO agreement was penned over 75 years ago and most Americans alive today don’t know what led President Harry S. Truman to add his signature.

Nonetheless, the rationale for continued U.S. commitment to NATO is as rock solid today as it was in 1949. The reasons are varied, but the most important is one that’s not normally associated with the alliance: economic well-being.

There are three reasons why NATO matters to Americans. First and foremost, if you care about having a job, you should care about NATO’s durability. As all economists, bankers and businesspeople know, capital flees instability. Conflict tends to throttle economic growth in the countries and regions immediately involved.

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Re: Does NATO Still Matter?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2025, 10:45:48 am »
Slightly less than the UN.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2025, 03:21:24 pm »
Russia has proved definitively that NATO still matters.
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Re: Does NATO Still Matter?
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2025, 03:39:56 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on July 03, 2025, 03:21:24 pm
Russia has proved definitively that NATO still matters.

As long as Russia thinks it matters, then it matters.  The enemy gets a vote.
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Re: Does NATO Still Matter?
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2025, 03:42:16 pm »
NATO matters.  It's Europe's babysitter.  It's the only thing stopping Serbian and Russian nationalist expansionism.
 
Europe is a caldera of nationalism and imperialism.  Without a greater outisde force to keep a lid on these tendencies, Europea would devolve into a never-ending conflict amongst the tribal interests that underlay Europe's nation state facade.

The UN is a social club.
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Re: Does NATO Still Matter?
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2025, 03:57:33 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 03, 2025, 03:39:56 pm
As long as Russia thinks it matters, then it matters.  The enemy gets a vote.

Like I said.

If russia had maintained the peace and not slipped into dictatorship , then there would be no need for NATO and it would quietly end.
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Re: Does NATO Still Matter?
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2025, 04:14:49 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on July 03, 2025, 03:57:33 pm
Like I said.

If russia had maintained the peace and not slipped into dictatorship , then there would be no need for NATO and it would quietly end.

Russia, like any authoritarian regime, cannot help but tip its hand and reveal its expansionist desires.  They are not able to lay low until NATO withers away.  It's not in their nature.
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Re: Does NATO Still Matter?
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2025, 04:18:11 pm »
Russia has the 11th largest GDP in the world, and that rank is dropping like a rock.  If nukes weren't on the table, I'd say NATO is pointless. 

Now, I am on the fence.
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Re: Does NATO Still Matter?
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2025, 05:48:57 pm »
What's going to happen with NATO when one, two or more of the member nations fall under islamic control?

That could happen within 25 years... maybe even sooner.

Channeling Hemingway:
"How did your nation fall to islam?"
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"Gradually at first... then... suddenly".
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« Reply #9 on: Today at 09:10:33 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on July 03, 2025, 04:18:11 pm
Russia has the 11th largest GDP in the world, and that rank is dropping like a rock.  If nukes weren't on the table, I'd say NATO is pointless. 

Now, I am on the fence.

Putin recently ordered that all Russian economic data is now a state secret. This is because Putin's war of conquest has gutted the Russian economy of wealth and manpower. That 11th GDP ranking is likely 20th or worse if the truth were to get out.
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Re: Does NATO Still Matter?
« Reply #10 on: Today at 12:05:47 pm »
Quote from: Fishrrman on July 03, 2025, 05:48:57 pm
What's going to happen with NATO when one, two or more of the member nations fall under islamic control?

That could happen within 25 years... maybe even sooner.

Channeling Hemingway:
"How did your nation fall to islam?"
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"Gradually at first... then... suddenly".
Wait, you’re saying Turkey isn’t?
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