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Ten Iranian Questions By Victor Davis Hanson
« on: June 23, 2025, 08:33:39 am »
Ten Iranian Questions

What Trump’s Strike Means for Iran, the Middle East, and American Power.
By Victor Davis Hanson
June 23, 2025


1. What are we to make of Saturday night’s destruction of the three Iranian nuclear sites at Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan?

Trump and the U.S. military took a great risk and succeeded in astounding fashion. Operationally, the destruction of the nuclear sites seems to have gone perfectly, in contrast to a long history of America’s Middle East debacles from the failed 1980 Carter rescue mission to the 2021 flight from Kabul.

The long-overdue message to Iran is that there are finally consequences for a half-century effort of killing Americans, promising death to the U.S. and Israel, and attempting to murder a U.S. president.

It’s also surreal to see leftist critics now say that Trump deviated from past presidents’ heroic, peaceful efforts to negotiate an end to the Iranian nuclear threat, when suddenly, after assuming office, Trump was apprised that Iran was weeks away from getting a bomb.

So, how did that happen after all those heroic diplomatic efforts? Why was the Iranian bomb program not ended during the Biden administration’s last four years? And who but Barack Obama opened the floodgates of Iranian revenue to fund these monstrous programs?

How strange the legal criticisms of the left are. In 2011, repeatedly bombing and killing hundreds of Libyan civilians and setting off a decade of chaos and mayhem were constitutionally okay, but a one-mission taking out a rogue nation’s nuclear facilities that threatened world peace and likely killed few, if any, civilians was unconstitutional and amoral?

Note well: Obama bombed, with B-2s no less, Libya again on his last full day in office in 2017—to finish off his disastrous five-year-long Susan Rice/Samantha Power/Hillary Clinton (“We came, we saw, he died”)/Ben Rhodes-directed destruction of Libya.

In the end, critics on the left and right are flummoxed and left sputtering only, “Iran cannot get a nuclear weapon”—even as every prior president had failed to slow Iran’s progression to a bomb—until Trump alone just did.

Intelligence-wise, it was quite stunning how there were no leaks but lots of successful misdirection and deceptions, such as redeploying the B-2s to Guam. It also made sense to strike early in Trump’s two-week window of warning, as otherwise, each day of quiet worked against the element of surprise.

It was not exactly rah-rah, Yanqui recklessness, but rather almost inevitable. Trump had warned the Iranians on numerous occasions. They never got the message. They were apparently listening to the American Left’s smears of Trump as a “TACO” (“Trump Always Chickens Out”)—a silly slur phrase that just died Saturday night.

The decision thus became whether the world wanted another North Korea in the Middle East or not. Even our enemies probably did not.

Trump has now given Iran the chance of a one-off attack and a return to negotiations—but over what, given that Iran now has nothing to negotiate with other than the survival of its regime?

Again, the fact that the operation was so complex and went apparently according to plan will impress allies and warn enemies—and make Iran worry that more of the same could come and be as effective.

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Re: Ten Iranian Questions By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2025, 08:44:05 am »
Leave it to VDH to write a piece worth reading. Well done.
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Re: Ten Iranian Questions By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2025, 09:37:04 am »
Nothing much will change in Iran until the Mullahs are permanently removed from the government there.
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Ten Iranian Questions By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2025, 09:53:08 am »
Iranians bet on Hamas - bust.
Iranians bet on Hezbollah - bust.
Iranians bet on Assad - bust.
Iranians bet on nukes - bust.
Iranians bet on destroying Israel - bust.

The Ayatollah is a terrible gambler / CEO.  The Mullahs could do better with an Ayatollah who knows how to make good decisions and winning bets.

It's time Iran had an Ayatollah who knows about winning ...


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Re: Ten Iranian Questions By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2025, 10:37:59 am »
Leave it to VDH to write a piece worth reading. Well done.

He is always a good read, this one is exceptional.
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Re: Ten Iranian Questions By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2025, 10:40:42 am »
Nothing much will change in Iran until the Mullahs are permanently removed from the government there.

That is what it will take, and it will have to be the Iranians who do it.  Persia is for the Persians.
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2025, 10:43:00 am »
That is what it will take, and it will have to be the Iranians who do it.  Persia is for the Persians.

 :yowsa: :amen:

But nothing says we can't support their efforts.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2025, 10:43:13 am »

The Ayatollah is a terrible gambler / CEO.  The Mullahs could do better with an Ayatollah who knows how to make good decisions and winning bets.

It's time Iran had an Ayatollah who knows about winning ...

The Mullahs must never be in charge of Iran again.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2025, 10:43:55 am »
:yowsa: :amen:

But nothing says we can't support their efforts.

Sure.  From afar.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2025, 10:44:13 am »
The Mullahs must never be in charge of Iran again.

 :bingo:
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Re: Ten Iranian Questions By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2025, 12:37:00 pm »

But nothing says we can't support their efforts.

Whose efforts and how??

We were heavily involved in 1953 when the CIA overthrew the elected leader and "installed" the Shah.  Half the country was still pissed with the US for this in 1978 when the Shah was thrown out of power and the Mullahs gained control.   

What's our plan this time --- years long civil war?




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Re: Ten Iranian Questions By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2025, 05:22:34 pm »
VDH has an excellent way of explaining and getting to the heart of the matter. His columns are always good, but this one is above average.

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2025, 05:44:17 pm »
My primary concern is that Iran didn't have all of its nuclear ambitions in just a few locations.

It would seem likely they were spread out in numerous locations with not all of them on the radar.

In short, it seems like we are strongly flirting with overconfidence that their nuclear program has been ended.

It only takes one nuke to cause catastrophic damage.

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2025, 08:03:01 pm »
My primary concern is that Iran didn't have all of its nuclear ambitions in just a few locations.

It would seem likely they were spread out in numerous locations with not all of them on the radar.

In short, it seems like we are strongly flirting with overconfidence that their nuclear program has been ended.

It only takes one nuke to cause catastrophic damage.
I agree. All this is nice, but is that all there was?

I get the feeling there is more to this, and that Iran got as much of their 60% enriched uranium out as they could and have it stashed somewhere where even one calutron will take enough Uranium to weapons grade over time to build a rack of devices.

As long as this bunch is in control, the threat is far from over. As long as the Uranium is not accounted for, (difficult to do, now) a threat persists.

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The decision thus became whether the world wanted another North Korea in the Middle East or not. Even our enemies probably did not.

There are seminal differences between North Korea and Iran. Kim may be crazy and mercurial but he is not stupid. He has 'face', he can strut and he has power, but need not use it to keep 'face', because doing so just might get him pounded to glass. No win, there.

The Ayatollah's bunch don't care. Death is a ticket to paradise for them. Ninety two virgins and all that. Not a deal breaker if they don't make it. That is why the threat of Mutually Assured Destruction is no threat to them.
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