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In a discovery that’s shaken Ireland and the world, forensic teams have unearthed nearly 800 infant remains in a septic tank at the former Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home in Tuam, a revelation that’s exposed decades of hidden suffering. The New York Post reported that these remains, belonging to infants and toddlers aged from 35 weeks in utero to about three years old,



I was hoping these were still birth babies and not something nefarious. But some of them were three years old...

What kind of Christian throws human remains in a pit?
https://conservativeus.com/horror-nearly-800-infant-remains-found-in-septic-tank-at-catholic-facility-for-unwed-mothers/


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In a discovery that’s shaken Ireland and the world, forensic teams have unearthed nearly 800 infant remains in a septic tank at the former Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home in Tuam, a revelation that’s exposed decades of hidden suffering. The New York Post reported that these remains, belonging to infants and toddlers aged from 35 weeks in utero to about three years old,



I was hoping these were still birth babies and not something nefarious. But some of them were three years old...

What kind of Christian throws human remains in a pit?
https://conservativeus.com/horror-nearly-800-infant-remains-found-in-septic-tank-at-catholic-facility-for-unwed-mothers/

Anyone who would do such a thing definitely isn't a Christian! More likely a disiple of Satan himself! 
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Ireland, I'm not surprised.

The shame and the stigma of an out-of-wedlock pregnancy were so strong, there was tremendous pressure to keep such things secret, at all costs, to spare the Church and the family from disgrace.

The scourge of shame and disgrace would follow someone throughout the rest of their lives, unless they found a way to keep such things secret or make them disappear.

Such things were never discussed nor were they acknowledged.

The expectant mother would be sent away to a home where they child would be raised by the Church or dealt with by other means.

It really sucked to be poor and Catholic in Ireland, to the point of cruelty and inhumanity.
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Grim excavation begins at site believed to contain remains of around 800 babies
Irish Prime Minister Micheal Martin calls the situation 'very difficult, harrowing'
 By Sophia Compton Fox News
Published June 18, 2025 5:59am EDT

Irish officials have begun excavating the grounds of a former home for unwed mothers which authorities say contains the remains of around 800 babies and young children who died there.

"It’s a very, very difficult, harrowing story and situation," Irish Prime Minister Micheal Martin said Monday. "We have to wait to see what unfolds now as a result of the excavation."

The former Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home in western Ireland — which closed in 1961 and was run by Catholic nuns — was one of many mother-and-baby homes during the 20th century in the European country. The homes housed unmarried pregnant women as well as tens of thousands of orphans, according to The Associated Press.

Historian Catherine Corless tracked down death certificates in 2014 for nearly 800 children who died at the Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home between the 1920s and 1961. However, she could only find a burial record for one child, the AP reported.

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IIRC, out of wedlock babies could not be buried in consecrated ground. Either way, this is a horrorshow.
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Those babies could not be properly buried in a Catholic cemetery with Catholic funeral rites because they were bastard children, and poor.

With Catholicism in Ireland, especially western Ireland, there were no exceptions.  It was all or nothing.  Those bastard babies were conceived in sin and could not enter Heaven because of that.  Their souls would reside in Limbo.

It's sick, twisted, and cruel, but that's how the Church dominated life and society in western Ireland.  It was a bleak existence of deprivation.

Keeping shames hidden was a signicant motivation behind the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in Boston.  They lacked the emotional capacity and the moral clarity to admit that transgressions had occurred.  The Church hierarchy's fear of public shame and disgrace motivated it to do immoral things that caused more harm and suffering.

For old-school shanty Irish Catholics, silence was preferred over shame.

Why do you think so many persons with substance abuse disorders are shanty, Irish Catholics?  Being poor and Catholic from western Ireland was akin to being subhuman.  That's why the Irish were so expendable - to be conscripted into the Union Army and to die building the railroads.  They had no value as human beings.  And that had been passed down through subsequent generations.

Catholicism for those of poor, western Irish descent was a completely different experience than those whom were wealthy or from other countries.

Catholicism is western Ireland was a moral oppressor, akin to morality police in Saudi Arabia and Iran.  It was also an institution to keep the poor in their place, serving the Church and the landlords.

So to hear that 800 dead, poor Catholic children, conceived out of wedlock, in western Ireland, were disposed in a septic tank is not shocking for someone of poor (shanty), western Irish Catholic descent.  It's sad and ungodly.  These won't be the last babies' remains that will be found hidden in shame.  Chances are that there are improperly disposed babies' remains hidden among many older Catholic mothers homes and convents.

If you were poor, and Catholic in western Ireland, there was no such thing as White Privilege.  The BLM folks are ignorant of that.
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 8888crybaby  **nononono* The facility was run by Catholic nuns.  As a baptized Catholic, it is very difficult to reconcile my faith while continued stories of anti-Christian actions by Catholic priests and nuns surface.  Actions that have been going on for many decades if not centuries.  I find this story beyond disturbing. 

I can't help but wonder, what became of the unwed mothers and tens of thousands of orphans?  What horror did they face?  My hunch is that they will find more bodies than just babies.

It has taken a very, long time for this story to be brought into focus.   **nononono*


Grim excavation begins at site believed to contain remains of around 800 babies

Irish officials have begun excavating the grounds of a former home for unwed mothers which authorities say contains the remains of around 800 babies and young children who died there.

"It’s a very, very difficult, harrowing story and situation," Irish Prime Minister Micheal Martin said Monday. "We have to wait to see what unfolds now as a result of the excavation."

The former Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home in western Ireland — which closed in 1961 and was run by Catholic nuns — was one of many mother-and-baby homes during the 20th century in the European country. The homes housed unmarried pregnant women as well as tens of thousands of orphans, according to The Associated Press.............

https://www.foxnews.com/world/grim-excavation-begins-site-believed-contain-remains-around-800-babies


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Those babies could not be properly buried in a Catholic cemetery with Catholic funeral rites because they were bastard children, and poor.

With Catholicism in Ireland, especially western Ireland, there were no exceptions.  It was all or nothing.  Those bastard babies were conceived in sin and could not enter Heaven because of that.  Their souls would reside in Limbo.

It's sick, twisted, and cruel, but that's how the Church dominated life and society in western Ireland.  It was a bleak existence of deprivation.

Keeping shames hidden was a signicant motivation behind the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in Boston.  They lacked the emotional capacity and the moral clarity to admit that transgressions had occurred.  The Church hierarchy's fear of public shame and disgrace motivated it to do immoral things that caused more harm and suffering.

For old-school shanty Irish Catholics, silence was preferred over shame.

Why do you think so many persons with substance abuse disorders are shanty, Irish Catholics?  Being poor and Catholic from western Ireland was akin to being subhuman.  That's why the Irish were so expendable - to be conscripted into the Union Army and to die building the railroads.  They had no value as human beings.  And that had been passed down through subsequent generations.

Catholicism for those of poor, western Irish descent was a completely different experience than those whom were wealthy or from other countries.

Catholicism is western Ireland was a moral oppressor, akin to morality police in Saudi Arabia and Iran.  It was also an institution to keep the poor in their place, serving the Church and the landlords.

So to hear that 800 dead, poor Catholic children, conceived out of wedlock, in western Ireland, were disposed in a septic tank is not shocking for someone of poor (shanty), western Irish Catholic descent.  It's sad and ungodly.  These won't be the last babies' remains that will be found hidden in shame.  Chances are that there are improperly disposed babies' remains hidden among many older Catholic mothers homes and convents.

If you were poor, and Catholic in western Ireland, there was no such thing as White Privilege.  The BLM folks are ignorant of that.

I've read your post.  Regardless of the fact that they were  poor Irish Catholics I still find it shocking.You are correct, it is sad and ungodly.

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I've read your post.  Regardless of the fact that they were  poor Irish Catholics I still find it shocking.You are correct, it is sad and ungodly.



I had read about this some time ago elsewhere. It is sad and very disturbing. And it didn't close until 1961. Of course, that doesn't mean those practices were still in affect.

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Those babies could not be properly buried in a Catholic cemetery with Catholic funeral rites because they were bastard children, and poor.

With Catholicism in Ireland, especially western Ireland, there were no exceptions.  It was all or nothing.  Those bastard babies were conceived in sin and could not enter Heaven because of that.  Their souls would reside in Limbo.

It's sick, twisted, and cruel, but that's how the Church dominated life and society in western Ireland.  It was a bleak existence of deprivation.

Keeping shames hidden was a signicant motivation behind the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in Boston.  They lacked the emotional capacity and the moral clarity to admit that transgressions had occurred.  The Church hierarchy's fear of public shame and disgrace motivated it to do immoral things that caused more harm and suffering.

For old-school shanty Irish Catholics, silence was preferred over shame.

Why do you think so many persons with substance abuse disorders are shanty, Irish Catholics?  Being poor and Catholic from western Ireland was akin to being subhuman.  That's why the Irish were so expendable - to be conscripted into the Union Army and to die building the railroads.  They had no value as human beings.  And that had been passed down through subsequent generations.

Catholicism for those of poor, western Irish descent was a completely different experience than those whom were wealthy or from other countries.

Catholicism is western Ireland was a moral oppressor, akin to morality police in Saudi Arabia and Iran.  It was also an institution to keep the poor in their place, serving the Church and the landlords.

So to hear that 800 dead, poor Catholic children, conceived out of wedlock, in western Ireland, were disposed in a septic tank is not shocking for someone of poor (shanty), western Irish Catholic descent.  It's sad and ungodly.  These won't be the last babies' remains that will be found hidden in shame.  Chances are that there are improperly disposed babies' remains hidden among many older Catholic mothers homes and convents.

If you were poor, and Catholic in western Ireland, there was no such thing as White Privilege.  The BLM folks are ignorant of that.
@Smokin Joe , @DefiantMassRINO You are both incorrect. There is nothing in Canon Law that says an illegitimate child can be denied baptism in the Catholic Church. I refer you to Canon 849-877 Some key points: 852/2 the parents of an infant to be baptized and those who are to undertake the function of sponsor are to be instructed properly on the meaning of this sacrament and the obligations attached to it. The pastor personally or through others is to take care that the parents are properly instructed through both pastoral advice and common prayer, bringing several families together and, where possible, visiting them.
864 Every person not yet baptized and only such a person is capable of baptism.
867§2. An infant in danger of death is to be baptized without delay.
Can. 868 §1. For an infant to be baptized licitly:
1/ the parents or at least one of them or the person who legitimately takes their place must consent;
2/ there must be a founded hope that the infant will be brought up in the Catholic religion; if such hope is altogether lacking, the baptism is to be delayed according to the prescripts of particular law after the parents have been advised about the reason.
§2. An infant of Catholic parents or even of non-Catholic parents is baptized licitly in danger of death even against the will of the parents.
Can. 870 An abandoned infant or a foundling is to be baptized unless after diligent investigation the baptism of the infant is established.
Can. 871 If aborted fetuses are alive, they are to be baptized insofar as possible.
THE PROOF AND REGISTRATION OF THE CONFERRAL OF BAPTISM
§2. If it concerns a child born to an unmarried mother, the name of the mother must be inserted, if her maternity is established publicly or if she seeks it willingly in writing or before two witnesses. Moreover, the name of the father must be inscribed if a public document or his own declaration before the pastor and two witnesses proves his paternity; in other cases, the name of the baptized is inscribed with no mention of the name of the father or the parents.[/i]
On a personal note, my parents were Godparents to a cousin born out of wedlock. Now because pf a "fear of scandal" it was a private baptism with just my parents and cousin present.
As an asude, I am not sure about burial for still born children, how that would be handled.   
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I stand corrected. They could be baptized.
If, for whatever reason, they were not, and died in a state of original sin, their souls would go to Limbo, and their bodies could not be buried in consecrated ground.
Different areas dealt differently with that.
Some established separate 'Angel Plots', and then we see results like this.
It is only recently that burial of unbaptized and stillborn babies in consecrated ground has been more widely permitted.
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Yes, the children could be baptized, but were they?  If they are unbaptized, Limbo may come into play.
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What happens to a child who dies before baptism?
Rather, the Catechism teaches that infants who die without baptism are entrusted by the Church to the mercy of God, as is shown in the specific funeral rite for such children.


Apparently those nuns entrusted those children to the crapper instead. **nononono*