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'Black Fatigue' Is Real
« on: June 05, 2025, 11:44:41 pm »
'Black Fatigue' Is Real

Ambrose Kane • May 30, 2025


Due to the persistent problem of black dysfunction and criminality in America, the kind we witness in various forms each and every day whether it be on social media, nightly news reports or from personal experience, ‘black fatigue’ has reached epic proportions throughout the country.

An increasing number of white Americans, including those of other racial and ethnic groups, have grown weary of the entitlement attitudes, the violent crimes and societal disruption that blacks bring. They used to limit their dysfunction largely to their own communities, but it’s now spread everywhere. Social media platforms such as X, Instagram, Rumble, YouTube, and TikTok document it all.

And it’s not just fatigue that blacks create wherever they dwell, but sheer exhaustion from having to deal with a people who at the drop of a hat are ready to violently assault others for the slightest hint of any perceived ‘disrespect,’ who possess insane levels of entitlement and who have an ability to take from others with little concern about ethics and personal property rights.

White Americans, of course, should have been fatigued a long time ago during the Rodney King incident and subsequent L.A. riots of 1992, or the Trayvon Martin fiasco, or the Michael Brown debacle of 2014, or the nationwide Black Lives Matter riots that managed to destroy large sections of numerous American cities at the cost of billions, not to mention the George Floyd riots of 2020 that divided the entire nation and led to widespread ‘defund the police’ efforts. But these things take time, and a good many whites are still numbingly tucked away in their multicultural slumber.

Yet, the ripening of America’s fatigue of blacks has, apparently, reached its peak or at least close to it. This is especially evident on social media where criticism of typical black criminality is scorned and harshly condemned, often in explicitly ‘racial’ terms that are sometimes in coded language and other times not.

This was not always the case just a few years back when there were tighter controls over what one could say on the various platforms. But times have changed. It has become so common now to mock blacks openly on social media because people are fed up with their antics and victim mentality. Persistent comments on social media about blacks, such as “Ashamed of nothing, offended by everything, and entitled to everything,” or “The fatigue is real,” or “The 13% commit over 60% of the nation’s violent crime,” or “We don’t have a race problem, we have a problem race” are all indicative that much of the nation no longer believes the lies of black victimhood.

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https://www.unz.com/article/black-fatigue-is-real/
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Re: 'Black Fatigue' Is Real
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2025, 11:48:28 pm »
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We are no where near “peak” fatigue. When white Americans are driving around in their vehicles randomly shooting everyone they see that isn’t white, I’d say that is peak.
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2025, 06:53:22 am »
"When a species 1.3 million years removed from modern humanity, that has never known or established civilization on its own, skipping the copper, bronze and iron age, is then unwittingly and unnaturally integrated into a world above its IQ and emotional endowment, expect failure."

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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2025, 08:32:58 am »
"When a species 1.3 million years removed from modern humanity, that has never known or established civilization on its own, skipping the copper, bronze and iron age, is then unwittingly and unnaturally integrated into a world above its IQ and emotional endowment, expect failure."

Robert Sepehr

Africa had civilization when most of Europe was barely out of the hunter-gatherer stage, and were trading with far off places like India and China before Europe even knew what they were.

We are not talking about Africans here, but their near feral offshoot here in America currently under the yoke of Marxist plantation wokeism. They've appropriated their ancestors sufferings as if they are theirs, and pretty much want to use it overthrow everything and put everybody under their boot and rule over them forever.

Same old revolutionary communism just wearing a different dress.

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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2025, 09:35:25 am »
The article linked here and the website it came from contain some of the most overt and unapologetic anti-black racism that I have seen in a long time.

The site also contains white supremacist, anti-Jewish and anti-Israel sentiment, and even some tracts that appear to border on Holocaust denial.

Proceed at your own risk.

There are far better critiques of American black cultural trends readily available for discussion at other far more reputable websites.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2025, 09:55:03 am »
Africa had civilization when most of Europe was barely out of the hunter-gatherer stage, and were trading with far off places like India and China before Europe even knew what they were.

We are not talking about Africans here, but their near feral offshoot here in America currently under the yoke of Marxist plantation wokeism. They've appropriated their ancestors sufferings as if they are theirs, and pretty much want to use it overthrow everything and put everybody under their boot and rule over them forever.

Same old revolutionary communism just wearing a different dress.
As politically incorrect as this may be, consider that only rarely were the good warriors captured in battle, and that the vast majority of captives and even tribal members sold off to itinerant slave collectors (likely Arab) were, to be gentle, not the cream of the crop.

A tribal leader (local 'king') would seek to trade off excess dead weight, incorrigible captives, and even those within his tribe who showed ambitious tendencies toward his throne, wives, livestock, etc.

Thus, for the most part, those shackled at the pier were not the best Africa had to offer, but more likely the other end of the spectrum. For the most part, these were not some random sweep through a population capturing a cross section of that group, but a collection of undesirables, ne'er do wells, and those who had failed in combat. That did not mean that there were not those who displayed intelligence, skill, or cunning, just that for the most part, these captives were the underachievers of their respective populations, and not even simply a criminal class like those who populated some colonies, but simply those who lacked merit enough to be allowed to remain in their inherent social contexts.

Their progeny, at least those who could/would work and were hardy enough to survive, are the ancestors of many of the demographic today.

There are many notable exceptions to that rule, mind you, those who were expert tradesmen, who showed intelligence that put them at the high end of that population, and who have made valuable contributions to society as a whole, and to them I apologize for painting with a broad brush, but certain cultural norms (statistically derived points from today's population) indicate that most apples have not fallen far from those eldest trees.
Back in the '60s, there was a tendency toward (as in other demographics) escaping lifelong manual labor through education and becoming professionals, but this quiet movement was undercut by the ravings of The New Left, loudly citing Marxist memes of class envy and alleged (and sometimes true enough) unfairness. While there were attempts to eliminate the latter through bringing attention to the problems, and then government programs (which often did more damage than good), envy is a seductive emotion that absolves the bearer of responsibility for their actions and situation, and places blame on and directs anger toward others (of any group, just those who are perceived to have more). Without more stringent cultural standards, violence, larceny, murder and mayhem follow.

Without the cultural desire to move forward, there will be no improvement. As long as that desire to achieve is attacked within that demographic context as being part of some hostile demographic, the prognosis is bleak.

With all that considered, I have known and currently know blacks who seek improvement, education, and excellence in what they do. Through effort and merit they have achieved supervisory positions or what we would commonly consider 'success'. We must remember, that despite the apparent distribution noted across demographics, there are those folks who are good, and those who succumb to the seduction of evil, and they come in all colors, shapes and sizes.
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Re: 'Black Fatigue' Is Real
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2025, 11:10:11 am »
The article linked here and the website it came from contain some of the most overt and unapologetic anti-black racism that I have seen in a long time.

The site also contains white supremacist, anti-Jewish and anti-Israel sentiment, and even some tracts that appear to border on Holocaust denial.

Proceed at your own risk.

There are far better critiques of American black cultural trends readily available for discussion at other far more reputable websites.

The article may seem racist but the observations made about comments on X are valid...people are getting pissed at the entitlement mentality and random violence and looting by those with that share that mindset.

This has been simmering for many years.  Look up "gibsmedat" at http://UrbanDictionary.com.
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2025, 11:20:38 am »
Given we've recently received an influx of upwards to 20M illegals in this country from all over the world, you'd think the woke black wing would wake up and stop playing the slavery/Jim Crow card. I would suspect American born blacks of non-immigrant parents have lost a significant percentage foothold to other ethnicities, skewed even harder in the urban areas.

Who are they kidding with the white devil bogeyman schtick? They are basically relegating themselves to the dustbin of history if they don't start getting with the melting pot and stopping Al Sharpton ghetto welfare con.
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2025, 11:49:05 am »
The British didn't send their best to Australia. How did that work out?

The North Africans weren't sub Saharan blacks. There were no black pharaohs.
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2025, 11:52:34 am »
The British didn't send their best to Australia. How did that work out?

The North Africans weren't sub Saharan blacks. There were no black pharaohs.

But I heard they was Kangs....
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2025, 12:06:29 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2025, 12:07:30 pm »
It's not their race we're sick of; it's their attitude that a select few are more deserving of a hand-up or hand-out because of their skin color - a trait no one can choose or change, and is unrelated to merit or sacrifice.

... like Obama getting the Nobel Peace prize for showing up to work.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2025, 12:39:39 pm »
The article may seem racist but the observations made about comments on X are valid...people are getting pissed at the entitlement mentality and random violence and looting by those with that share that mindset.

This has been simmering for many years.  Look up "gibsmedat" at http://UrbanDictionary.com.
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I think those are valid concerns, and many pale-skinned people (like me) have given voice to them.

However, in this case, such legitimate and empirical observations about urban black cultural norms are being lumped in with a far broader set of presumptions and (I would say) prejudices with respect to the intellect, psychology, and potential for success of an entire race of people.

The author goes even further in related pieces on his website, all but suggesting that racial integration was a mistake, as was the Civil Rights movement, which he avers was made possible only by.... (wait for it)... The Jews.  Just perusing the titles of his articles will provide a very clear image of a White Nationalist (Christian or secular) who seems awfully eager to "correct the record" not only about blacks, but also about America's entry into WWII against the Nazis. You may have noted the approving quote about black folks from none other than Der Fuehrer himself.

All in all, being the 81st anniversary of D-Day, and me being a Jewish guy who has a couple of good black friends... that kinda got under my skin.     
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2025, 02:24:10 pm »
@Cyber Liberty

I think those are valid concerns, and many pale-skinned people (like me) have given voice to them.

However, in this case, such legitimate and empirical observations about urban black cultural norms are being lumped in with a far broader set of presumptions and (I would say) prejudices with respect to the intellect, psychology, and potential for success of an entire race of people.

The author goes even further in related pieces on his website, all but suggesting that racial integration was a mistake, as was the Civil Rights movement, which he avers was made possible only by.... (wait for it)... The Jews.  Just perusing the titles of his articles will provide a very clear image of a White Nationalist (Christian or secular) who seems awfully eager to "correct the record" not only about blacks, but also about America's entry into WWII against the Nazis. You may have noted the approving quote about black folks from none other than Der Fuehrer himself.

All in all, being the 81st anniversary of D-Day, and me being a Jewish guy who has a couple of good black friends... that kinda got under my skin.   

Oh, I agree with you about the article!  Bad on more than one level.
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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2025, 02:28:08 pm »
My black fatigue is real.  I can't stop my GPS from wanting to take MLK Blvd to the Stadium.  I don't take any Street in any city named MLK anything...specially after dark. 
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2025, 04:28:48 pm »
If the entitlement mentality goes unchecked, a lot more people will be paying attention to sites like this that mix all kinds of hatred. The sad fact is the truth is a melting pot does not make great stew and lots of good civil folks will be painted into the fray. Discernment has been brow-beaten down for so long that folks are starting to pay attention. Are there good folks that get judged by the color of their skin, yes. Is it right ? Yes and No. If you see a group of young black males on a corner, is it wrong to cross the street to avoid them (or just good discernment)? It is judging, but is that wrong? Well until you are given time to "judge rightly", I don't think it is wrong. If given time, and you judge solely on skin color, then perhaps your judgement needs tuning. But... the big judgement is if a group is so bad as a collective that you can paint the whole of the group. Unfortunately, It is getting to the point that the lines are blurring.

If some lurker here wants to paint me as a racist... well I wrote in Alan Keyes for president once. Yet, I believe it was because he saw and told the truth about things like how things needed to change. You can't drive a culture by hip/hop rap and expect things to not morally rot. The sad thing is how the very same thing is happening to the white culture.

Then we have blacks demanding this and that, while they are no longer even the highest population of minorities. Hispanics have supplanted that and eventually Muslims will challenged them soon enough (I don't know if they sorta fit several categories).
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2025, 05:23:17 pm »
The British didn't send their best to Australia. How did that work out?

Actually, one could argue they did.  Getting transported to Australia meant you weren't docile and didn't do what your "betters" (who were "better" because at about 700 years ago, some ancestor or other was good in battle, helped the Normans take the island from the Anglo-Saxons and got rewarded with a tract of land and a title of "nobility") told you to do.  Smugglers, poachers and forgers got transported, not rapists and murderers who were hanged instead.

The joke among Aussies is that the problems with Australia aren't due to being descended from criminals, but due to too many Australians being descended from prison officers.

The docile stayed home and did what they were told.

Well, maybe not the best, but the best from the lower social classes.  Those from higher social classes who weren't docile joined the British East India Company or did something else to make their fortune elsewhere in the Empire.
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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2025, 05:53:56 pm »
Andy wrote:
"There are far better critiques of American black cultural trends readily available for discussion at other far more reputable websites."

Andy, "culture" IS NOT "the problem" here.

Once again:
Fishrrman's cultural dictum:

Andrew Breitbart:
"Politics is downstream from culture."

Fishrrman:
"Culture lies downstream from the wellspring... which is race."

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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2025, 05:59:24 pm »
I get this - I do... I grew up in Chicago. I know the racial strife that exists there.

But I am gonna throw a wrench in what y'all are coming up with here. I know many good black folks that live there. Folks that toe the line, and bust their asses, and pay their bills; and try twice as hard as everyone else because they hate the 'do nothing' and criminal black elements that get all the press. They will tell you: That ain't them... And I would wager that's most of em.

Likewise, since leaving the city, I had occasion to spend some time in the rural regions around Kansas City - On both sides of the river. And again: I met tons of good, black folks, every bit as redneck as me. I worked with em, got drunk with em, fought em, and went to church and cookouts and weddings with em - Nothing but mad respect. Good, good folks.

So the only thing on this thread that holds true are the strains of it that point to commie wokeism being the culprit. Victim mentality. That part is right.

Same as the difference between a native and a native from the rez. And even on the rez, there's still plenty of good ones.

The rest of this thread is bullshit.

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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2025, 06:25:37 pm »
I don't think it's a sign of bigotry (or the always popular white supremacy) to say that this woman's behavior is despicable. This probably is the type of thing that leads to fatigue.

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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2025, 07:32:18 pm »
I get this - I do... I grew up in Chicago. I know the racial strife that exists there.

But I am gonna throw a wrench in what y'all are coming up with here. I know many good black folks that live there. Folks that toe the line, and bust their asses, and pay their bills; and try twice as hard as everyone else because they hate the 'do nothing' and criminal black elements that get all the press. They will tell you: That ain't them... And I would wager that's most of em.

Likewise, since leaving the city, I had occasion to spend some time in the rural regions around Kansas City - On both sides of the river. And again: I met tons of good, black folks, every bit as redneck as me. I worked with em, got drunk with em, fought em, and went to church and cookouts and weddings with em - Nothing but mad respect. Good, good folks.

So the only thing on this thread that holds true are the strains of it that point to commie wokeism being the culprit. Victim mentality. That part is right.

Same as the difference between a native and a native from the rez. And even on the rez, there's still plenty of good ones.

The rest of this thread is bullshit.
You have a point, but while the good, hard working blacks exist and always have, it is not they who get the press. Increasingly in media (entertainment and news), the worst of the worst seem to get top billing, and those are the people who end up being role models (except for Dennis Rodman, who proclaimed he wasn't a role model).

From either side of it all, the ones who are elevated by Hollywood (not as actors, but as characters) and the lyrics/images of the music industry are the pacesetters, the ones emulated by the young, and without changing that perception, that defines the direction overall culture will take.

Funny how even commie wokeism can find a way to profit off the misery of others.
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2025, 07:54:54 pm »
I don't think it's a sign of bigotry (or the always popular white supremacy) to say that this woman's behavior is despicable. This probably is the type of thing that leads to fatigue.

https://twitter.com/JebraFaushay/status/1824618770268115222

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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2025, 11:40:27 am »
Andy wrote:
"There are far better critiques of American black cultural trends readily available for discussion at other far more reputable websites."

Andy, "culture" IS NOT "the problem" here.

Once again:
Fishrrman's cultural dictum:

Andrew Breitbart:
"Politics is downstream from culture."

Fishrrman:
"Culture lies downstream from the wellspring... which is race."

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@Fishrrman

As always, you can post what you like. I simply disagree with your premise in this case.

Black people in America once had stable families. They went to church in vast numbers. They created jazz and blues, and aspired to be intellectuals and scientists and artists, in spite of terrible and often violent discrimination against them.

What changed? Their dominant culture.

Black culture in America used to aspire to American foundational principles and Judeo-Christian values, as influenced by their unique experiences - including slavery and segregation. Think of Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, George Washington Carver, Lewis Latimer, Ralph Ellison, Louis Armstrong, and Ray Charles... just to name a handful of great, or near-great Americans.

Would any of them celebrate what has become of most black urban communities today? No.

The more pressing question is: "Would they be honest enough not to blame it all on white racism"?

Because "racism" alone is not the culprit: bad ideas and values are the cause, as promoted and advanced by a 19th-century collectivist philosophical movement: Progressivism.

It was Progressivism - led not by black people, but almost exclusively by whites - that sequentially destroyed black families, promoted dependency, corrupted education, polluted art, assaulted faith, and politicized everything in the name of power, control and unearned wealth. Progressivism also made common cause with the pseudoscience of Eugenics and promoted the segregation of society based on the presumption of black inferiority, as evidenced in America by the words and actions of Woodrow Wilson.

In the face of such a cultural assault, as led by the white-controlled colleges, universities and news media, many black folks (understandably, I believe) turned to their African roots in order to find meaning, and instead only discovered the similarly collectivist and backward-facing ideas that still permeate that benighted continent. 

We are brought to this state then by a combination of human frailty, avoidable tragedy and intentional evil. The way out, which at this moment seems awfully distant, would be a return to God and not coincidentally, to American foundational values and principles. 

Andrew Breitbart was correct in observing that "Politics is downstream from culture". But Culture is downstream from Philosophy, which neither knows nor assumes any particular human race but which governs our actions and beliefs nonetheless. 
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Re: 'Black Fatigue' Is Real
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2025, 03:08:30 pm »

As always, you can post what you like. I simply disagree with your premise in this case.

Black people in America once had stable families. They went to church in vast numbers. They created jazz and blues, and aspired to be intellectuals and scientists and artists, in spite of terrible and often violent discrimination against them.

What changed? Their dominant culture.
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« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2025, 03:18:05 pm »
You have a point, but while the good, hard working blacks exist and always have, it is not they who get the press. Increasingly in media (entertainment and news), the worst of the worst seem to get top billing, and those are the people who end up being role models (except for Dennis Rodman, who proclaimed he wasn't a role model).

From either side of it all, the ones who are elevated by Hollywood (not as actors, but as characters) and the lyrics/images of the music industry are the pacesetters, the ones emulated by the young, and without changing that perception, that defines the direction overall culture will take.

Funny how even commie wokeism can find a way to profit off the misery of others.

AND, by the way, you can say the same dang thing about Mexicans/Latinos... We don't have any Mexicans up in here taking our jobs... Construction and lawn care are white guys, like everything else. So the pressure is off up in here, and the only Latinos I know are legal ones (and dang few of them). But they are, in nearly every case, great Americans - Mostly rural and redneck too. And they despise the illegal traffic coming into this country. They despise the illegals taking jobs down south.

They ain't that.

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Re: 'Black Fatigue' Is Real
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2025, 11:46:24 pm »
@Fishrrman

As always, you can post what you like. I simply disagree with your premise in this case.

Black people in America once had stable families. They went to church in vast numbers. They created jazz and blues, and aspired to be intellectuals and scientists and artists, in spite of terrible and often violent discrimination against them.

What changed? Their dominant culture.

Black culture in America used to aspire to American foundational principles and Judeo-Christian values, as influenced by their unique experiences - including slavery and segregation. Think of Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, George Washington Carver, Lewis Latimer, Ralph Ellison, Louis Armstrong, and Ray Charles... just to name a handful of great, or near-great Americans.

Would any of them celebrate what has become of most black urban communities today? No.

The more pressing question is: "Would they be honest enough not to blame it all on white racism"?

Because "racism" alone is not the culprit: bad ideas and values are the cause, as promoted and advanced by a 19th-century collectivist philosophical movement: Progressivism.

It was Progressivism - led not by black people, but almost exclusively by whites - that sequentially destroyed black families, promoted dependency, corrupted education, polluted art, assaulted faith, and politicized everything in the name of power, control and unearned wealth. Progressivism also made common cause with the pseudoscience of Eugenics and promoted the segregation of society based on the presumption of black inferiority, as evidenced in America by the words and actions of Woodrow Wilson.

In the face of such a cultural assault, as led by the white-controlled colleges, universities and news media, many black folks (understandably, I believe) turned to their African roots in order to find meaning, and instead only discovered the similarly collectivist and backward-facing ideas that still permeate that benighted continent. 

We are brought to this state then by a combination of human frailty, avoidable tragedy and intentional evil. The way out, which at this moment seems awfully distant, would be a return to God and not coincidentally, to American foundational values and principles. 

Andrew Breitbart was correct in observing that "Politics is downstream from culture". But Culture is downstream from Philosophy, which neither knows nor assumes any particular human race but which governs our actions and beliefs nonetheless.
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Re: 'Black Fatigue' Is Real
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2025, 11:48:19 pm »
AND, by the way, you can say the same dang thing about Mexicans/Latinos... We don't have any Mexicans up in here taking our jobs... Construction and lawn care are white guys, like everything else. So the pressure is off up in here, and the only Latinos I know are legal ones (and dang few of them). But they are, in nearly every case, great Americans - Mostly rural and redneck too. And they despise the illegal traffic coming into this country. They despise the illegals taking jobs down south.

They ain't that.
Roofers and sheetrock (drywall) crews, some of the best work done fastest is done by crews who talk to each other in Spanish. Hard working, and damned good hands.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis