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The Patriot Act: America’s Trojan horse for tyranny
« on: May 27, 2025, 12:43:06 pm »
The Patriot Act: America’s Trojan horse for tyranny

By Maureen Steele
May 27, 2025


When the smoke was still rising from the rubble of the Twin Towers, the American people were reeling, grieving—and vulnerable. That vulnerability was weaponized. In one of the most cunning bait-and-switch maneuvers in modern history, our government handed us the Patriot Act—an Orwellian surveillance framework disguised as national defense.


We didn’t just get conned—we got conquered. Not by terrorists from abroad, but by tyrants in suits.

The Patriot Act was born less than two months after 9/11, passed with breakneck speed, virtually unread by the very members of Congress who signed it into law. It was pitched to the American public as a necessary evil to root out terrorists, an emergency measure to prevent “the next 9/11.” But emergency powers have a funny way of becoming permanent. Just ask history. The Patriot Act was the lie that opened the gates.


And now, in 2025, as documents, whistleblowers, and independent investigations slowly peel back the layers of that dark day, it becomes harder and harder to ignore the possibility that the whole thing—from the missing NORAD response to the curious collapses of steel towers—was a staged pretext to install the surveillance state.

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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2025, 12:55:52 pm »
... or, it was some pissed off Saudi Arabians who overstayed their student visas and made their Royal Saudi wahhabist masters proud.

But, in the spirit of "never let a good crisis go to waste" ... it was also the perfect opporunity for the Government to infringe upon civil liberties and to lie to start another Iraq War ... in the cause of fighting the War On Terror ... and winning the 2004 Elections.



Why the F are we still in the Middle East?  We don't need their G'damned oil any more.  They are not our allies.  They use America's sons and daughters as a mercenary security force.  They screw us on oil prices every chance they get.
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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2025, 02:22:53 pm »
... or, it was some pissed off Saudi Arabians who overstayed their student visas and made their Royal Saudi wahhabist masters proud.

But, in the spirit of "never let a good crisis go to waste" ... it was also the perfect opporunity for the Government to infringe upon civil liberties and to lie to start another Iraq War ... in the cause of fighting the War On Terror ... and winning the 2004 Elections.



Why the F are we still in the Middle East?  We don't need their G'damned oil any more.  They are not our allies.  They use America's sons and daughters as a mercenary security force.  They screw us on oil prices every chance they get.

IMO it was the beginning of the end of the America I knew. 9/11 didn't damage us but W mistakes afterwards did.

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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2025, 03:09:28 pm »
We don't need their G'damned oil any more. [...]


As a point of order... We never did need their oil...

Carry on...

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2025, 04:32:57 pm »
As a point of order... We never did need their oil...

Carry on...
A complete and utter falsehood.

We have no recourse then and now than to buy oil from the ME if we wish to maintain our standard of living.

Until we migrate to using Fisher - Tropsch to make synthetic liquids out of our bounty of coal and natural gas, we will need that oil they provide.

The other part of the equation is we cannot permit our enemies like China and Russia to overly gain access to that crude either.

It is the cheapest and most plentiful in the world and will strangle the rest of the world if it should fall into those hands.

I would think by now most of people would realize that industry functions, and has functioned for decades,  within a energy framework that critically requires massive amounts of crude oil.  The US simply does not have the geology to considerably increase crude production to cover our crude needs until significant changes are made.
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2025, 04:48:45 pm »
A complete and utter falsehood.

We have no recourse then and now than to buy oil from the ME if we wish to maintain our standard of living.

Until we migrate to using Fisher - Tropsch to make synthetic liquids out of our bounty of coal and natural gas, we will need that oil they provide.

The other part of the equation is we cannot permit our enemies like China and Russia to overly gain access to that crude either.

It is the cheapest and most plentiful in the world and will strangle the rest of the world if it should fall into those hands.

I would think by now most of people would realize that industry functions, and has functioned for decades,  within a energy framework that critically requires massive amounts of crude oil.  The US simply does not have the geology to considerably increase crude production to cover our crude needs until significant changes are made.

I knew about North Dakota decades before development. I know about Seal Island up in AK too which makes the Bakken look small. The whole thing is bullshit. Ginned up for money, Energy, just like the cost of health... They need to get you by the short hairs, and that's where they are.

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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2025, 04:51:07 pm »
I knew about North Dakota decades before development. I know about Seal Island up in AK too which makes the Bakken look small. The whole thing is bullshit. Ginned up for money, Energy, just like the cost of health... They need to get you by the short hairs, and that's where they are.

Green River formation will make both look tiny. Go look it up.

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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2025, 05:00:56 pm »
I knew about North Dakota decades before development. I know about Seal Island up in AK too which makes the Bakken look small. The whole thing is bullshit. Ginned up for money, Energy, just like the cost of health... They need to get you by the short hairs, and that's where they are.
Any geologist will tell you there is lots of oil out there.  Us engineers will tell you which can be commercially exploited.

The easy pickings are always first, then it just gets tougher to make the money.

The ME has a huge part of the world's oil, and by far the easiest to exploit.  That will not change in the foreseeable future no matter what one might desire.  Geology just cannot be changed as we have to live with it.

Sure, if we wanted to pay several times as much per barrel for the oil we need, we can do that and get a lot more oil.  But in most cases it won't be commercial to do and it will be like spending money on wind, solar or biomass in the long run.
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2025, 05:25:21 pm »
Sure, if we wanted to pay several times as much per barrel for the oil we need, we can do that and get a lot more oil.  But in most cases it won't be commercial to do and it will be like spending money on wind, solar or biomass in the long run.

Funny, that... One thing Tumpy CAN brag about is blowing the chocks out from under American production... Moved to an exporter for the first time in decades, and gas was 2.50 at the pump. So, the whole thing is bullshit... manipulated.

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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2025, 05:27:28 pm »
Green River formation will make both look tiny. Go look it up.

I've heard... I have a ton of friends in the patch. Most are wildcatters... They'll tell you so...

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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2025, 05:27:39 pm »
I call Shenanigans!

Venzuela = #1 (Not in the G'damn Middle East)

https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/oil-reserves-by-country

Guyana (Not in the G'damn Middle East) is coming in to its own as a rising petro-power.

https://brazilenergyinsight.com/2025/01/09/guyana-tops-rankings-in-total-oil-discovered-since-2015-rystad-energy/

The Saudi Royal family can go screw.  I don't give  a damn how much money they throw around.  They were behind 9/11 and only (1) of (3) nations that recognized the Taliban as the Government of Afghanistan before 9/11.  The others were U.A.E. and Pakistan.

America does not need Middle East energy.  Europe does.  India does.  Asia does.  Let them sacrifice their blood, treasury, and diplomatic capital to protect their own damned energy supplies.

America out of the Persian Gulf now!  'Acquire' Socotra as the Guam of the Indian Ocean to preserve Freedom of the Seas for American commerce and military against Chi-com expansionism.

A complete and utter falsehood.

We have no recourse then and now than to buy oil from the ME if we wish to maintain our standard of living.

Until we migrate to using Fisher - Tropsch to make synthetic liquids out of our bounty of coal and natural gas, we will need that oil they provide.

The other part of the equation is we cannot permit our enemies like China and Russia to overly gain access to that crude either.

It is the cheapest and most plentiful in the world and will strangle the rest of the world if it should fall into those hands.

I would think by now most of people would realize that industry functions, and has functioned for decades,  within a energy framework that critically requires massive amounts of crude oil.  The US simply does not have the geology to considerably increase crude production to cover our crude needs until significant changes are made.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2025, 06:54:44 pm »
A complete and utter falsehood.

We have no recourse then and now than to buy oil from the ME if we wish to maintain our standard of living.

Until we migrate to using Fisher - Tropsch to make synthetic liquids out of our bounty of coal and natural gas, we will need that oil they provide.

The other part of the equation is we cannot permit our enemies like China and Russia to overly gain access to that crude either.

It is the cheapest and most plentiful in the world and will strangle the rest of the world if it should fall into those hands.

I would think by now most of people would realize that industry functions, and has functioned for decades,  within a energy framework that critically requires massive amounts of crude oil.  The US simply does not have the geology to considerably increase crude production to cover our crude needs until significant changes are made.
I have a book in my office: "When the oil runs out", from 1947. It hasn't.

Middle eastern oil was cheap and plentiful, so we used it. You pick the low hanging fruit first.

This isn't the first time we've had the whole 'peak oil' thingy pushed at us. Most of the restrictions on us producing even more oil than we do are completely artificial. Offshore, east coast, west coast, virtually untouched. East side of the Gulf of America: virtually untouched. Alaska: virtually untouched. The entire interior has yet to be explored. Even known oil fields in California remain undeveloped, because of the environmental movement. There is more oil out there than we have ever produced, just waiting for the restrictions to go off and the price to make it profitable.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2025, 08:31:11 pm »
I have a book in my office: "When the oil runs out", from 1947. It hasn't.

Middle eastern oil was cheap and plentiful, so we used it. You pick the low hanging fruit first.

This isn't the first time we've had the whole 'peak oil' thingy pushed at us. Most of the restrictions on us producing even more oil than we do are completely artificial. Offshore, east coast, west coast, virtually untouched. East side of the Gulf of America: virtually untouched. Alaska: virtually untouched. The entire interior has yet to be explored. Even known oil fields in California remain undeveloped, because of the environmental movement. There is more oil out there than we have ever produced, just waiting for the restrictions to go off and the price to make it profitable.

The first oil well in Saudi Arabia came online in 1938. Since then, proven reserves there have always increased even with all that has been produced to date.
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2025, 09:01:40 pm »
I have a book in my office: "When the oil runs out", from 1947. It hasn't.

Middle eastern oil was cheap and plentiful, so we used it. You pick the low hanging fruit first.

This isn't the first time we've had the whole 'peak oil' thingy pushed at us. Most of the restrictions on us producing even more oil than we do are completely artificial. Offshore, east coast, west coast, virtually untouched. East side of the Gulf of America: virtually untouched. Alaska: virtually untouched. The entire interior has yet to be explored. Even known oil fields in California remain undeveloped, because of the environmental movement. There is more oil out there than we have ever produced, just waiting for the restrictions to go off and the price to make it profitable.

Not to mention that I hear about dry holes in Texas and Oklahoma filling back up...

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2025, 10:54:30 pm »
Not to mention that I hear about dry holes in Texas and Oklahoma filling back up...
The term 'dry hole' often describes a well that produces more water than the oil production will pay for. Usually that is an initial assessment, and the well is plugged and abandoned, without going on to production.

If a vertical well is produced too rapidly with a stratified reservoir (oil 'floating' on top of water, within the spongelike porosity in the rock) the oil/water contact will be pulled upward, ("coned in") around the wellbore, and mostly water will be produced.
I would expect we will see some of that with horizontal wells that are produced too rapidly as well.



Sometimes, when the well is shut in for a long period, that oil water contact will restratify around the wellbore. The cone shape levels off again, and if the lower perforations in the casing are 'squeezed' with cement to seal them, the well can be put back into production at a lower rate than initial production rates.

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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2025, 06:33:29 am »
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Funny, that... One thing Tumpy CAN brag about is blowing the chocks out from under American production... Moved to an exporter for the first time in decades, and gas was 2.50 at the pump. So, the whole thing is bullshit... manipulated.
Have consistently said Trump is misinformed on the US being able to supply crude for itself in the short term.

That will only be possible with synthetic liquids and will take time while raising the price of products.

The biggest benefit he can do is to remove most of the EPA restrictions on production and transportation/refining, open up federal lands and waters, and to accelerate true efficiencies like the pipelines Biden squelched.  These will significantly drive down costs and result in a lowered pump prices and more production.
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« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2025, 08:55:30 am »
The term 'dry hole' often describes a well that produces more water than the oil production will pay for. Usually that is an initial assessment, and the well is plugged and abandoned, without going on to production.

If a vertical well is produced too rapidly with a stratified reservoir (oil 'floating' on top of water, within the spongelike porosity in the rock) the oil/water contact will be pulled upward, ("coned in") around the wellbore, and mostly water will be produced.
I would expect we will see some of that with horizontal wells that are produced too rapidly as well.



Sometimes, when the well is shut in for a long period, that oil water contact will restratify around the wellbore. The cone shape levels off again, and if the lower perforations in the casing are 'squeezed' with cement to seal them, the well can be put back into production at a lower rate than initial production rates.

The exact same will happen with reservoir gas if wells are over produced which is why producers keep a close watch on GOR numbers for each individual well. (Reverse the picture above.)
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« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2025, 08:58:09 am »
I call Shenanigans!

Venzuela = #1 (Not in the G'damn Middle East)

https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/oil-reserves-by-country

Guyana (Not in the G'damn Middle East) is coming in to its own as a rising petro-power.

https://brazilenergyinsight.com/2025/01/09/guyana-tops-rankings-in-total-oil-discovered-since-2015-rystad-energy/

The Saudi Royal family can go screw.  I don't give  a damn how much money they throw around.  They were behind 9/11 and only (1) of (3) nations that recognized the Taliban as the Government of Afghanistan before 9/11.  The others were U.A.E. and Pakistan.

America does not need Middle East energy.  Europe does.  India does.  Asia does.  Let them sacrifice their blood, treasury, and diplomatic capital to protect their own damned energy supplies.

America out of the Persian Gulf now!  'Acquire' Socotra as the Guam of the Indian Ocean to preserve Freedom of the Seas for American commerce and military against Chi-com expansionism.
Majority of Venezuelan crude is viscous and very expensive to produce and to handle.  It is also unsuitable for most American refineries.

Guyana is relatively small and short-lived, insufficient to satisfy much of our needs.

Over the short to middle term, there is no viable alternative to ME oil, and has not been for the past 7 decades.

And we cannot afford to allow that oil to fall under the control of the Chicoms or Russians as the 73 embargo will seem insignificant in comparison to what may happen to us as a result.

That will not change.
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« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2025, 09:12:51 am »
Majority of Venezuelan crude is viscous and very expensive to produce and to handle.  It will also unsuitable for most American refineries.

Guyana is relatively small and short-lived, insufficient to satisfy much of our needs.

Over the short to middle term, there is no viable alternative to ME oil, and has not been for the past 7 decades.

And we cannot afford to allow that oil to fall under the control of the Chicoms or Russians as the 73 embargo will seem insignificant in comparison to what may happen to us as a result.

That will not change.

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« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2025, 09:27:51 am »
I have a book in my office: "When the oil runs out", from 1947. It hasn't.

Middle eastern oil was cheap and plentiful, so we used it. You pick the low hanging fruit first.

This isn't the first time we've had the whole 'peak oil' thingy pushed at us. Most of the restrictions on us producing even more oil than we do are completely artificial. Offshore, east coast, west coast, virtually untouched. East side of the Gulf of America: virtually untouched. Alaska: virtually untouched. The entire interior has yet to be explored. Even known oil fields in California remain undeveloped, because of the environmental movement. There is more oil out there than we have ever produced, just waiting for the restrictions to go off and the price to make it profitable.
Sure, the geology is there to show off potentially commercial deposits, and we could certainly help ourselves a lot should we rid ourselves of federal and state excesses of environmental and land restrictions.

And I agree with you there will likely be significant new discoveries in waters off both coasts once restrictions are removed that will permit seismic and exploratory drilling to finally happen.  That, however, you well know will take time, perhaps 10-15 years at a minimum, to realize any benefit.

But there is no new Ghawar awaiting out there for us and no short term fix to suddenly create massive amounts of production to replace ME oil.

And one must still have a commercial venture to justify drilling/producing/refining that crude.

In my professional opinion as a petroleum reservoir engineer/economist involved in decades of exploratory ventures that caused me to actively study petroleum basins across the Americas and worldwide, the geology of this country is not conducive to find or exploit new vast commercially-attractive quantities of crude above what we already have.

The stubborn fact is good, prolific oil might be in water thousands of feet deep in difficult to retrieve environments that take decade(s) to produce, while most oil will be locked up in poor quality reservoirs that require massive expenditure efforts to unlock.  Physics just does not permit much of that oil to flow easily through that poor quality rock, so horizontal drilling and multi-stage fraccing is requisite, along with potentially retorting it from the earth.  And even after all that effort, one gets a pittance recovery of the oil in place.

On the other hand, natural gas is vastly more abundant and accessible(and cheap), which is the reason LNG makes the news so much these days.  The US has a large surplus of it, enough to make it a world top LNG exporter.

That is why I foresee our country becoming a synthetic crude manufacturer during the next decade, using our natural gas which, BTW, flows much, much more easily through that crappy rock compare to crude.

That geology will work to make us self-sufficient, but we are a ways to go for that to happen.

And we will also require much more input from alternative sources of energy such as nuclear and coal to take a load off oil and gas usage.
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« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2025, 10:02:44 am »
The term 'dry hole' often describes a well that produces more water than the oil production will pay for. Usually that is an initial assessment, and the well is plugged and abandoned, without going on to production.

If a vertical well is produced too rapidly with a stratified reservoir (oil 'floating' on top of water, within the spongelike porosity in the rock) the oil/water contact will be pulled upward, ("coned in") around the wellbore, and mostly water will be produced.
I would expect we will see some of that with horizontal wells that are produced too rapidly as well.



Sometimes, when the well is shut in for a long period, that oil water contact will restratify around the wellbore. The cone shape levels off again, and if the lower perforations in the casing are 'squeezed' with cement to seal them, the well can be put back into production at a lower rate than initial production rates.
There are many ways oil well life is prolonged, including premature 'watering out' or 'gassing out'. 

One can also expect in dipping beds gravity drainage as crude migrates from upstructure to lower open wells.

One can also expect multi-zone phenomena to take place, where the oil is producing in more than one formation, with the most prolific is exhausted, then the lower quality rock continues to produce as oil makes its way slowly into the wellbore. This is shown in the behavior of the newer wells multiply fracced having high initial rates followed by shallow declines over many years.

Marginal wells or what one calls 'stripper wells' are the lifeblood to extract higher recoveries from an oil reservoir.  Decades ago we recognized this and the government gave enhanced benefits to wells that produced at low rates by permitting them higher prices for the crude they delivered.

Am not advocating that we control the price of crude, but simply wish to recognize the importance of these type of wells.

And in the advent of the many thousands of horizontal wells now existing, this phenomena is even more important to realize our greatest take from producing formations.

Let me put it another way:

The good news in the early life of industry is that prolific fields were discovered which produced at high rates with high recoveries.  Very commercial as little capital was demanded.  Bad news is they necessarily petered out relatively quickly.

The bad news in the latter life of industry is that almost all one had left were poor quality fields/formations which required large investments, produced at poor rates quickly after initial production, and had very poor recoveries of the oil in the earth.  Marginal economics widespread.  The good news is that they last a long, long time.  We do not wish to give up on these wells prematurely.
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« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2025, 01:03:59 pm »
The exact same will happen with reservoir gas if wells are over produced which is why producers keep a close watch on GOR numbers for each individual well. (Reverse the picture above.)
Yep, the gas can cone down, too. It has been noted that as Bakken wells are maturing the GOR is increasing, but that may just be producing at too high a rate, and not effective draining of the reservoir. Hopefully, some one will slow their rate and see if the GOR goes down again to find out.
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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2025, 01:07:37 pm »
There are many ways oil well life is prolonged, including premature 'watering out' or 'gassing out'. 

One can also expect in dipping beds gravity drainage as crude migrates from upstructure to lower open wells.

One can also expect multi-zone phenomena to take place, where the oil is producing in more than one formation, with the most prolific is exhausted, then the lower quality rock continues to produce as oil makes its way slowly into the wellbore. This is shown in the behavior of the newer wells multiply fracced having high initial rates followed by shallow declines over many years.

Marginal wells or what one calls 'stripper wells' are the lifeblood to extract higher recoveries from an oil reservoir.  Decades ago we recognized this and the government gave enhanced benefits to wells that produced at low rates by permitting them higher prices for the crude they delivered.

Am not advocating that we control the price of crude, but simply wish to recognize the importance of these type of wells.

And in the advent of the many thousands of horizontal wells now existing, this phenomena is even more important to realize our greatest take from producing formations.

Let me put it another way:

The good news in the early life of industry is that prolific fields were discovered which produced at high rates with high recoveries.  Very commercial as little capital was demanded.  Bad news is they necessarily petered out relatively quickly.

The bad news in the latter life of industry is that almost all one had left were poor quality fields/formations which required large investments, produced at poor rates quickly after initial production, and had very poor recoveries of the oil in the earth.  Marginal economics widespread.  The good news is that they last a long, long time.  We do not wish to give up on these wells prematurely.
One of the evils of the COVID price crash was that over a million BOPD of stripper production was plugged and abandoned as uneconomical. Those wells are not likely to be reopened unless someone discovers a deeper target, and then there may be some production from those zones again as those wells reach maturity.
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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2025, 01:32:41 pm »
Yep, the gas can cone down, too. It has been noted that as Bakken wells are maturing the GOR is increasing, but that may just be producing at too high a rate, and not effective draining of the reservoir. Hopefully, some one will slow their rate and see if the GOR goes down again to find out.

Another known way to screw up a perfectly good oil field is to start injecting incompatible waters into the production zones as a pressure maintenance measure. It works until you completely plug the well bores.
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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2025, 01:41:01 pm »
If anything, Americans are more addicted to Middle East petro-dollars than Middle East oil.

Daniel Yergin has been predicting the end of the Oil Age for the past 50 years.  His predictions keep running up against new disoveries and technology advances.

The only reason America is in the region is to backfill for a collapsing, post-War British Empire to keep the Soviets from filling the void during the Cold War.

F' the Saudi royal family.

F' the Middle East.

F' O.P.E.C.

America does not NEED Middle East oil ... we are addicted to it because its cheap, light sweet crude oil which is easier to refine.  Yes, it's the cheapest around when you exclude the costs in American blood, treasury, diplomatic capital, and opportunity cost.

If America really needs oil, neo-cons can effect regime change in Canada or Venezuela, instead of in Iraq and Libya.
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« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2025, 02:05:36 pm »
This is the most amazing  :hijack: I can recall reading.
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« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2025, 02:11:44 pm »
This is the most amazing  :hijack: I can recall reading.
*bouche*
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« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2025, 03:24:02 pm »
Another known way to screw up a perfectly good oil field is to start injecting incompatible waters into the production zones as a pressure maintenance measure. It works until you completely plug the well bores.
Moveable solids problems, complications with clays, even mineralization in pore throats. There are plenty of ways to screw up a well in production operations, and folks who mainly spend their careers making sure chemistry is right.
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« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2025, 03:27:08 pm »
If anything, Americans are more addicted to Middle East petro-dollars than Middle East oil.

Daniel Yergin has been predicting the end of the Oil Age for the past 50 years.  His predictions keep running up against new disoveries and technology advances.

The only reason America is in the region is to backfill for a collapsing, post-War British Empire to keep the Soviets from filling the void during the Cold War.

F' the Saudi royal family.

F' the Middle East.

F' O.P.E.C.

America does not NEED Middle East oil ... we are addicted to it because its cheap, light sweet crude oil which is easier to refine.  Yes, it's the cheapest around when you exclude the costs in American blood, treasury, diplomatic capital, and opportunity cost.

If America really needs oil, neo-cons can effect regime change in Canada or Venezuela, instead of in Iraq and Libya.
Venezuela is sitting on the largest known reserves in the world.
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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2025, 04:39:11 pm »
Venezuela is sitting on the largest known reserves in the world.
I'll chip in that
those are not reserves.

Most are just resources as almost all of it is unprofitable.

Big diff.

A resource is something known to exist.

A reserve is something in the bank vault or what a bank will lend you money on and use as collateral. Reserves definitions typically expect a 90% probability of obtaining.
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« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2025, 04:40:45 pm »
This is the most amazing  :hijack: I can recall reading.
It began with....

We don't need their G'damned oil any more.
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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2025, 05:02:23 pm »
I'll chip in that
those are not reserves.

Most are just resources as almost all of it is unprofitable.

Big diff.

A resource is something known to exist.

A reserve is something in the bank vault or what a bank will lend you money on and use as collateral. Reserves definitions typically expect a 90% probability of obtaining.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/proven-oil-reserves-by-country.php

I am talking about proven reserves.
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Re: The Patriot Act: America’s Trojan horse for tyranny
« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2025, 06:11:18 pm »
RINO snorts:
"Daniel Yergin has been predicting the end of the Oil Age for the past 50 years.  His predictions keep running up against new disoveries and technology advances."

Haven't posted this for a while:
"Fishrrman's law of energy resources":
Any and all energy resources will eventually be used when needed.
The only variable is how badly the need becomes to extract and use them.


When the oil production runs down...
When the natural gas plays out...
When the nuclear plants have all closed (few, if any will be built in The West during the next 50 years or longer)...
When it finally becomes apparent that neither "wind" nor "solar" can in any way satisfy the needs of large populations or industrial societies...
When the lies of "a green future" simply can no longer be kept puffed up like an overblown soufflé and finally collapse...

... then all the coal in the ground -- centuries worth -- will still be there, waiting.

The coal can be coverted into petroleum, if need be.
No, it's not cheap nor easy, but it can be done.
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« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2025, 06:30:18 pm »
https://www.globalfirepower.com/proven-oil-reserves-by-country.php

I am talking about proven reserves.
Noted.

I prefer a source I have found to be more reliable over the years such as this, which demarks the resource components from proven to less likely.  Even this is misleading as it includes other than proved as a reserve, which no banker would ever lend money on.

Needless to say, you make the point there is a tremendous amount of resources available in Venezuela, geologically planted there by God's grace, and accessible at some future appropriate time.

I just wish to ensure readers that when the word 'reserves' is bandied about that they may not be the same:  the true(proved) reserves are iron-clad  (ie -  proved can be found in an oil company's annual report) and some merely speculative, and gradations in-between.  I have been in many a reserve audit that pore over these differences so it is ingrained within me.


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« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2025, 07:18:52 pm »
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I view it from a geological perspective.

That said, what banker would loan money for development in Venezuela, given their track record of Socialism and 'nationalizing' their industry?
Politics matter.
There would have to be some major changes in management and serious signs of stability there before they get that CAPEX.

It is there, heavy, high sulfur crude similar to the bitumen from the Canadian Tar Sands--which is why the Keystone XL would have been a good deal for refineries which had initially been set up to refine the Venezuelan crude.

There are too many places in the world where oil is available with far fewer headaches to even mess with Venezuela.
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« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2025, 09:20:04 pm »
   Since this has become a Thread about OIL, I thought I'd add this.

Trump Wants Pipelines, But Midstream Firms Aren’t Biting

By Tsvetana Paraskova - May 26, 2025, 4:00 PM CDT


U.S. midstream firms are hesitant to launch new greenfield pipeline projects due to oil price volatility and tariff uncertainty.
Companies like ArcLight and DT Midstream are prioritizing asset purchases over new builds.
Midstream firms are awaiting clearer demand signals from shale basins like the Permian and Haynesville.
Pipelines
U.S. midstream companies are hesitant to commit to new pipeline builds amid market volatility and tariff uncertainty.

Some companies are announcing new projects, especially those bringing natural gas to power data centers, but the industry is generally in a wait-and-see mode regarding greenfield projects despite the Trump Administration’s regulatory push to accelerate energy infrastructure expansion.

Firms have announced in recent months new pipeline projects, but many others have preferred to buy operating assets in deals with competitors or with private equity companies to expand their pipeline infrastructure.

Due to the high market volatility so far this year, the U.S. midstream operators are more cautious about plans for the future despite the friendliest regulatory environment they have had for five years, or ever.

“We have spent a lot of time thinking about the buy versus build question and, at this time, we're seeing more opportunities to buy assets,” Angelo Acconcia, a partner at energy infrastructure investor ArcLight Capital Partners, told Reuters.

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https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Trump-Wants-Pipelines-But-Midstream-Firms-Arent-Biting.html
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