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Why Climate Models Keep Getting It Wrong—And Why It Matters
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Arctic Warming: Four Times Faster Than Expected
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When it comes to the Arctic, recent data has left scientists both shocked and troubled. According to NASA and the National Snow and Ice Data Center, the Arctic is now warming nearly four times faster than the global average.

This rate is much quicker than many earlier climate models suggested. The ice is not only melting at record speeds, but the loss is accelerating, with 2024’s Arctic Report Card calling the trend “alarming.” Researchers are scrambling to update their models to reflect this rapid change, but the sheer speed is outpacing adjustments.

This matters for everyone, not just polar bears—Arctic warming impacts global weather patterns, sea level rise, and even the jet stream that shapes storms. The models’ underestimation here isn’t just a scientific hiccup; it’s a warning siren.

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Re: Why Climate Models Keep Getting It Wrong—And Why It Matters
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2025, 05:35:36 am »
I'm thinking it isn't a problem with the data but with how "scientists" interpret the data and that depends most on who signs their paychecks. :pondering:
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Re: Why Climate Models Keep Getting It Wrong—And Why It Matters
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2025, 09:31:52 am »
They get it wrong because they assume they have solved the problem of what is causing the changes in climate, rather than studying the changes to determine the cause.  That they do this is caused by self-interest as rengerrebew's jibe points out.  Even without the politicization climate science has undergone thanks to their causative theory having desirable political implications from the point of view of the Left, a funding mechanism based on peer review will create herd behavior:  they fund people who are doing what they are doing, and don't fund competitors (cf. theoretical physics which was all string theory for about half a century even though string theory never made a testable prediction, no political impact at all involved in the herd behavior.)

Greenhouse gas warming cannot explain highly asymmetric warming concentrated in the Arctic: since CO2 is well distributed in the atmosphere, its effects should be uniform across the globe.  Perhaps the NSF can fund some honest scientist who wants to get to the bottom of Arctic warming, by not assuming it's part and parcel of anthropogenic global warming.

In fact, there should be a requirement that on any scientific matter that has public policy implications, there is funding specifically earmarked for "red team" efforts working on alternatives to whatever the current consensus theory is.
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Re: Why Climate Models Keep Getting It Wrong—And Why It Matters
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2025, 09:57:12 am »
Climate models are getting it right for the Global Change hysterical nitwits.  It provides false data for their fradulent narrative and scheme.

The scientific granst whores are going to write their algorythm's to produce the results that are the most alarmist to obtain the maximum funding grants possible.

It's obvious that the climate models are crap because their predictions are wrong.
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Re: Why Climate Models Keep Getting It Wrong—And Why It Matters
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2025, 06:00:50 pm »
The "Climate Models" ARE NOT "getting it wrong". Please keep reading.

They are not designed and were NEVER designed to produce results which can be objectively labeled "right or wrong", or independently verified as such.

Au contraire, they are deliberately constructed/fabricated to produce a desired result which can then be foisted upon the public because "it's science". And thus be used to support a political construct (greenunism) with which to seize more power and control.

Because they are "models", they have little resemblence to actual reality and can be manipulated as needed.

The vast majority of the models were never "real".
They should be disregarded.

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Re: Why Climate Models Keep Getting It Wrong—And Why It Matters
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2025, 10:14:44 pm »
I'm thinking it isn't a problem with the data but with how "scientists" interpret the data and that depends most on who signs their paychecks. :pondering:
Data are interpolated across large distances, collected at stations which are near heat sources or located in urban heat islands, and in extremis, fudged. Severe low temperatures I worked in have been 'adjusted' to nearly 10 degrees warmer than the NWS reported lows from the time. That's just one way to fudge the results.

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