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Please don't misconstrue this a me defending this guy...but I'm curious.

What if he was once an MS-13 member but left the gang? Do the tatts forever doom a person? Or can you ever leave once you are a member?

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Please don't misconstrue this a me defending this guy...but I'm curious.

What if he was once an MS-13 member but left the gang? Do the tatts forever doom a person? Or can you ever leave once you are a member?

We all know you can have a change of heart, Jesus provides such a transformation... but also if not forced to have the tattoo (and I am not sure if MS-13 forces the tats), I imagine one can only try to cut the tattoo off or ink over it if one wanted to distance oneself from it's implications.

I imagine most liberals would say yes, MS-13 can be rehabilitated.... but if asked the same from some smuck that has a Nazi sign on his face would say the opposite.

Most MS-13 members do age out of most of the violent aspects of the life, but they also tend to do other things for the gang in exchange (hold inventory, hide members). Thus they still act as functioning parts of the gang.

It is a complex question... and does a country need to do a thorough investigation which is subject to deceit or just take it on skin level... I lean the latter, just remove the risk, some here want to spend a ton of money and give more benefit of the doubt that I do. YMMV
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Please don't misconstrue this a me defending this guy...but I'm curious.

What if he was once an MS-13 member but left the gang? Do the tatts forever doom a person? Or can you ever leave once you are a member?

I know a couple dudes who found Jesus and came up out of Arianism... One up out of prison, so the tatts are very prevalent. I asked him once why he keeps his Nazi art and he replies that he considers them to be like scars... Scars that give him access to a lot of places most ministries can't go.

He's a great guy, with a wife of 30 years, and grandkids, and well known in the community and the church, where his artwork is a badge of courage. A magnificent tool in the hands of the Lord, and his witness is very strong, especially among the lost.

I dunno this gang banger from a hole in the ground. But you raise a valid point.

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I know a couple dudes who found Jesus and came up out of Arianism... One up out of prison, so the tatts are very prevalent. I asked him once why he keeps his Nazi art and he replies that he considers them to be like scars... Scars that give him access to a lot of places most ministries can't go.

He's a great guy, with a wife of 30 years, and grandkids, and well known in the community and the church, where his artwork is a badge of courage. A magnificent tool in the hands of the Lord, and his witness is very strong, especially among the lost.

I dunno this gang banger from a hole in the ground. But you raise a valid point.



Thanks for your reply @roamer_1 . I think some gang members can redeem themselves. I have no idea if that applies to this dude. I have a relative that is incarcerated for felonius stupidity and he has told me that some of the powerful, life-saving volunteer preachers from the "outside" are former gang members....tatts intact.

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Thanks for your reply @roamer_1 . I think some gang members can redeem themselves. I have no idea if that applies to this dude. I have a relative that is incarcerated for felonius stupidity and he has told me that some of the powerful, life-saving volunteer preachers from the "outside" are former gang members....tatts intact.

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Please don't misconstrue this a me defending this guy...but I'm curious.

What if he was once an MS-13 member but left the gang? Do the tatts forever doom a person? Or can you ever leave once you are a member?

There are gangs that you only leave feet first @berdie and MS-13 is one of them but ALL of this back and forth about it is totally irrelevant. The man entered this country illegally and must be shown the door if our immigration law is to mean anything.
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Please don't misconstrue this a me defending this guy...but I'm curious.

What if he was once an MS-13 member but left the gang? Do the tatts forever doom a person? Or can you ever leave once you are a member?

Yes, it is possible he renounced his membership.  But it is also 100% irrelevant to his situation.  The bottom line here is that he entered the country illegally and did not file for asylum.  His status with MS-13 has no bearing on that.  He should be prosecuted for illegal entry, sentenced to the maximum.  And once his sentence has been served, he should be deported.
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Gangs like MS-13, Hell's Angels, or The Mafia require lifetime membership, that way they can always keep the person under their control.

If someone is allowed to leave, they might have a change of heart and start cooperating with the police ... no gang will ever give that a chance to happen.

Did anybody ever leave the Sopranos alive??
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Gangs like MS-13, Hell's Angels, or The Mafia require lifetime membership, that way they can always keep the person under their control.

If someone is allowed to leave, they might have a change of heart and start cooperating with the police ... no gang will ever give that a chance to happen.

Did anybody ever leave the Sopranos alive??
Which makes it entirely plausible that Abrego has some enemies on the inside and they turned him in. Rather than whack the guy, they just let the law do what it will with him.
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@Hoodat @Bigun

Of course, I get that. He is illegal and should be deported. I'm just questioning the reasons that he is being painted with. MS-13, wife beater and human trafficer. He might be all those things, but all I've read is accused and alleged.
 Not convicted. So maybe the reason for deportation should be, as ya'll have said (and I think as well)...illegal alien. Period, end of story.