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Nullification Crisis of 1832: Precursor to Civil War
« on: May 05, 2025, 07:10:15 am »
Nullification Crisis of 1832: Precursor to Civil War
Calhoun of South Carolina was a staunch defender of states' rights
 
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By Robert McNamara
Updated on April 28, 2025
 
 
Key Takeaways
South Carolina tried to ignore federal laws they didn't like, called nullification, in 1832.

John C. Calhoun's idea of states' rights upset many people and made a big fight happen.
Even though there was no fighting then, these problems later led to the Civil War.

The nullification crisis arose in 1832 when leaders of South Carolina advanced the idea that a state did not have to follow federal law and could, in effect, "nullify" the law. The state passed the South Carolina Act of Nullification in November 1832, which said in effect that South Carolina could ignore federal law, or nullify it if the state found the law to be damaging to its interests or deemed it unconstitutional. This effectively meant the state could override any federal law.

The idea that "states' rights" superseded federal law was promoted by South Carolinian John C. Calhoun, vice president in Andrew Jackson's first term as president, one of the most experienced and powerful politicians in the country at the time. And the resulting crisis was, to some extent, a precursor to the secession crisis that would trigger the Civil War 30 years later, in which South Carolina also was a primary player.

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Think of this in terms of sanctuary cities where states laws can supersede federal law.  That was settled over 220 years ago and here we are again with democrats throwing out mantra rejected long ago.  But it wouldn't surprise me if some liberal, activist judge would declare the settled law too old or some such thing to make sure democrats can have their attempt at dismissing the rule of law and further shredding the Constitution.
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Re: Nullification Crisis of 1832: Precursor to Civil War
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2025, 09:10:19 am »
The Constitution is and will always be a contract between state and the federal government.

If one party breaks the contract, the other party is no longer bound to it.  It is not a suicide pact.

Sure, there are ramifications, such as the misnamed 'Civil War', but ramifications do indeed exist.
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Re: Nullification Crisis of 1832: Precursor to Civil War
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2025, 10:01:19 am »
The US Constitution is a compact among the People and the States to create a Federal Government.

When the Federal Government does not provide for defense and protection of national borders - which is a Federal duty - the Federal Government is no longer fulfilling its duty to the People nor the States.

The GOP Congress needs to get off its lazy rump and go medieval passing new immigration laws and Constitutional amendment to:

1.) make illegally crossing the border a felony criminal offense.

2.) strip the President of any power to give illegal border crossers 'legal' status.

3.) clarify that illegal border crossers do not have a right to Federal immigration law protections because they lack legal standing to have such protections by virtue of not following the legal immigration process to enter the United States.

4.) allow Border States to repel, arrest, and deport illegal border crossers after state administrative hearings for defendants to provide documented proof of citizenship; proof of legal residence; or proof of legal entry into the United States at a US Border Crossing.

If the Federal Government will not protect and defend the States and the People, the People and the States have a right to amend the US Constitution to allow States and the People to defend themselves.
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Re: Nullification Crisis of 1832: Precursor to Civil War
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2025, 02:11:06 pm »
The Constitution is and will always be a contract between state and the federal government.

If one party breaks the contract, the other party is no longer bound to it.  It is not a suicide pact.

Sure, there are ramifications, such as the misnamed 'Civil War', but ramifications do indeed exist.

Lincoln saw it a bit differently.  His position was the Constitution was between the federal government and the people of the individual states who ratified it.  That's why, when you see a quote from Lincoln on the Civil War, he referred to it as the southern rebellion because states themselves didn't create a contract with the feds, the voters of the several states did.  Thus, the states couldn't secede unless the voters approved it.
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Re: Nullification Crisis of 1832: Precursor to Civil War
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2025, 03:40:23 pm »
No, it wasn't 'settled'.
Conquering does not 'settle' a damn thing.
Might is not right.

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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2025, 03:41:43 pm »
The Constitution is and will always be a contract between state and the federal government.

If one party breaks the contract, the other party is no longer bound to it.  It is not a suicide pact.

Sure, there are ramifications, such as the misnamed 'Civil War', but ramifications do indeed exist.

In the end, that is the truth of it.

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Re: Nullification Crisis of 1832: Precursor to Civil War
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2025, 03:44:03 pm »
Ironically, the 1832 Nullification Crisis was over federal tariffs, which helped the North but hurt South Carolina. 
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2025, 04:27:24 pm »
The Constitution is and will always be a contract between state and the federal government.

If one party breaks the contract, the other party is no longer bound to it.  It is not a suicide pact.

Sure, there are ramifications, such as the misnamed 'Civil War', but ramifications do indeed exist.

Actually, at least for states it is basically a suicide contract, at least for unilaterally deciding to self-secede from the Union. Settled in 1865. Otherwise what else was the war for?

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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2025, 05:17:49 pm »
Actually, at least for states it is basically a suicide contract, at least for unilaterally deciding to self-secede from the Union. Settled in 1865. Otherwise what else was the war for?

For nothing. When grievances mount (as they are now) to a point of no return, states will declare once again - As they are even now. Every state in the west has discussed secession. Montana, many times, and seriously. Wyoming too.

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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2025, 05:59:01 pm »
For nothing. When grievances mount (as they are now) to a point of no return, states will declare once again - As they are even now. Every state in the west has discussed secession. Montana, many times, and seriously. Wyoming too.

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And if they are "allowed" to secede (without an act of Congress or something, presumably), then why was the USCW fought? Over what?

Anyway there's always a vocal minority for anything.

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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2025, 06:03:25 pm »
:shrug:

And if they are "allowed" to secede (without an act of Congress or something, presumably), then why was the USCW fought? Over what?

Anyway there's always a vocal minority for anything.

The Civil War was wrongly resolved. Might does not make right.

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2025, 12:36:39 am »
Sure, there are ramifications, such as the misnamed 'Civil War'

I prefer 'The War of Secession'.
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2025, 10:39:56 am »
The Civil War was wrongly resolved. Might does not make right.

So you'd prefer America ceased existing in 1865 and slavery was abolished? Weird.

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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2025, 11:12:34 am »
I prefer 'The War of Secession'.
I prefer 'The War of Northern Aggression'.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2025, 11:20:13 am »
I prefer 'The War of Northern Aggression'.

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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2025, 11:27:15 am »
Actually, at least for states it is basically a suicide contract, at least for unilaterally deciding to self-secede from the Union.
Not a single Founding Father would have agreed to that sentiment.
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2025, 01:34:29 pm »
So you'd prefer America ceased existing in 1865 and slavery was abolished? Weird.

Yes, I would very much prefer federalism to statism, thanks.
And the Union was designed around a confederation. It will not work for empire.

And as a simple contract, the US Constitution is null and void if ts participants (the various states) are not present voluntarily. And voluntary includes the remedy of quitting the contract if it performs illegally or fails to perform.

I have walked away from contracts that caused me to act illegally, and I have walked away from contracts that failed to perform. No contract is perpetual if it's enforcement is servitude.

It seems you would trade the slavery of a person for the slavery of a state.

I will not.

Sovereignty in these United States flows from the people to the states, and from the states to the federation. To usurp the sovereignty of the state in favor of the federation is the usurpation of sovereignty away from the People.

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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2025, 01:46:10 pm »
Yes, I would very much prefer federalism to statism, thanks.
And the Union was designed around a confederation. It will not work for empire.

And as a simple contract, the US Constitution is null and void if ts participants (the various states) are not present voluntarily. And voluntary includes the remedy of quitting the contract if it performs illegally or fails to perform.

I have walked away from contracts that caused me to act illegally, and I have walked away from contracts that failed to perform. No contract is perpetual if it's enforcement is servitude.

It seems you would trade the slavery of a person for the slavery of a state.

I will not.

Sovereignty in these United States flows from the people to the states, and from the states to the federation. To usurp the sovereignty of the state in favor of the federation is the usurpation of sovereignty away from the People.

That state had equal and actually disproportional representation in Congress, relative to their population. That is hardly slavery IMO.

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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2025, 01:55:43 pm »
That state had equal and actually disproportional representation in Congress, relative to their population. That is hardly slavery IMO.

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