Supreme Court halts latest wave of Alien Enemies Act deportations, for now

[roamer_1]

NO, @roamer_1   YOU don't get it.

You take them to an border entry point and push them thru the ...gate...door...hatch...booth...whatever.

With nothing but the clothes on their backs.

Let Canada or Mexico deal with them.  And that includes those flown in here from Asian countries by the DEMS in the middle of the night.

No, YOU don't get it. That's not how it works. MEXICANS you can throw back at Mexico. You can throw CANADIANS, and maybe Brits back to Canada. Anything else, without some sort of agreement is ILLEGAL.

[roamer_1]

Our modern notion of due process will not allow for 20 million illegals to be deported.  The system we have is not working, and it will not work.  It needs to be adapted.

That is not true as Tumpy's first term demonstrated. Close the border and enforce the law - Not only will that work, it would be hugely popular. And that is ALL that needs done. That is all that has ever needed done.

And any other way is doom. Illegal actions are DOOM. They will be stopped all too soon. And he does not have the time to do anymore.

And what he is doing WILL fail... Because he has so little time and so little political support. He will have no legacy, and all he is doing now will revert to norm when his left boot heel crosses the threshold at the White House for the last time.

THE ONLY thing that will work and last must be legal and supported. He will be shut off from any other thing. So while you LIKE what he's doing, in the end it will prove to be flailing and poorly rendered.

[roamer_1]

No, he doesn't get a do-over.  He doesn't get special consideration because some Maryland politician has a man-crush on him.  He gets deported because he broke the law entering the country and continue to live here illegally for fourteen years.  He already had his day in court.

He is a moot point. He is already in El Salvador and under El Salvadoran jurisdiction - Imprisoned there, I take it.

The point is whether it was lawful according to the court. And whether the Administration stands against a lawful order. Personally, I think it is much ado about nothing, because the deportation had already passed beyond US hands. El Salvador has no obligation to obey a US judge, and the guy was already convicted there, so that is his end.

So all this drama will end of its own weight without any need to be unlawful. Such stupefying drama. What a clusterfck.

[The_Reader_David]

It is beyond the jurisdiction of the United States to guarantee liberty outside our borders.  We are not the ones depriving Abrego Garcia of his liberty.  We are simply deporting him back to his home country because he does not have a legal right to reside in the United States.  It really is that simple.

He is only outside our borders because he was deprived of his liberty without due process of law while in our borders and shipped there.

[The_Reader_David]

They entered the country without due process!

Why do they deserve due process
for us to send them back?!

Due process of law -- like everything else in the Constitution -- is a limitation on the government's treatment of people (and juridical persons), not on people's actions.  Duly passed laws are limits on people (or on the government), but the Fifth Amendment's reference to due process of law applies to what the government may do to you (or to the bloke who just crossed the Rio Grande), not what you (or he) may do.

[Right_in_Virginia]

He is only outside our borders because he was deprived of his liberty without due process of law while in our borders and shipped there.

Nope @The_Reader_David

Van Holland's "Maryland man" has received due process, twice, from two different judges since 2019 and found both times not to be here legally, likely MS13 and okay to deport --- but has gone on to beat the deportation system along with beating his wife and has been so active with his MS13 tribe that he's become a suspect in human trafficking.

[roamer_1]

Due process of law -- like everything else in the Constitution -- is a limitation on the government's treatment of people (and juridical persons), not on people's actions.  Duly passed laws are limits on people (or on the government), but the Fifth Amendment's reference to due process of law applies to what the government may do to you (or to the bloke who just crossed the Rio Grande), not what you (or he) may do.

Exactly spot on.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

He is only outside our borders because he was deprived of his liberty without due process of law while in our borders and shipped there.

So what?  He is outside our borders and our laws,  period.

Did you have such a consternation of how J6 American citizens were treated or those victims criminally treated, even raped or killed, by these illegal thugs?

[berdie]

Due process of law -- like everything else in the Constitution -- is a limitation on the government's treatment of people (and juridical persons), not on people's actions.  Duly passed laws are limits on people (or on the government), but the Fifth Amendment's reference to due process of law applies to what the government may do to you (or to the bloke who just crossed the Rio Grande), not what you (or he) may do.

Agreed. Although I like expediency and going thru the courts maybe tedious, it will remove any doubt or protest. (Or publicity stunt)

So the answer to me is...change the law for removal of illegals. I'm sure Ike didn't deal with the cumbersome process and it is something that has occurred since the '50s

[Bigun]

Agreed. Although I like expediency and going thru the courts maybe tedious, it will remove any doubt or protest. (Or publicity stunt)

So the answer to me is...change the law for removal of illegals. I'm sure Ike didn't deal with the cumbersome process and it is something that has occurred since the '50s

If someone illegally enters MY house he's going to get immediate due process I can assure you!

[roamer_1]

So the answer to me is...change the law for removal of illegals. I'm sure Ike didn't deal with the cumbersome process and it is something that has occurred since the '50s

There it is. And I draw your attention once again to the true culprit, and the true way forward - A Congress, jealous of its powers.

All this messin around counts for naught - 4 years from right now, right back where we were. You need something for 40 years. Not 4.
And that is Congress. That is the whole battle. A political machine that can get Conservatives elected to congress that will last a generation. A way of thinking, FROM THE PEOPLE, carried forth in their duly elected representatives, accordingly, passed down to our sons and their sons.

There is no quick fix. This is all a big waste of time and money.

[berdie]

If someone illegally enters MY house he's going to get immediate due process I can assure you!

We do have castle protection laws in Tx.

However, it appears that we are going to enact a whole new set of laws for "squatters". Much like the illegal protections that need to be repealed. Crazy world we're living in ain't it?

[berdie]

There it is. And I draw your attention once again to the true culprit, and the true way forward - A Congress, jealous of its powers.

All this messin around counts for naught - 4 years from right now, right back where we were. You need something for 40 years. Not 4.
And that is Congress. That is the whole battle. A political machine that can get Conservatives elected to congress that will last a generation. A way of thinking, FROM THE PEOPLE, carried forth in their duly elected representatives, accordingly, passed down to our sons and their sons.

There is no quick fix. This is all a big waste of time and money.

That is the sad truth. Congress is so busy with "investigations" and trying to look like they are doing something...that they don't do jack that could actually benefit the country long term.

[DefiantMassRINO]

[Sighlass]

But wait a minute friend... Wouldn't that mean that illegal aliens could be shot on sight... that illegal females could be raped without recourse... Could be sold into slavery and forced to serve?

No. Law is law, and at some point must be applied to the person, regardless.

Sorry Roamer, but the law would still apply to those deporting them (US citizens) that they can't rape and pillage humans. That would cover the treatment of illegals in custody as citizens we don't have the right to commit those acts already to anyone.

[roamer_1]

Sorry Roamer, but the law would still apply to those deporting them (US citizens) that they can't rape and pillage humans. That would cover the treatment of illegals in custody as citizens we don't have the right to commit those acts already to anyone.

That's not the point - The point is, how would you know of their mistreatment (or not) if there is no trial? There is processing involved in 'due process' that is the sole guarantee that our LEOs are doing their job right. That's the thing that goes missing when you are loading em in cattle cars.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Could we deport them as Alien Climate Felons for expelling CO₂ and methane?