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NATO Is a Corpse
« on: April 12, 2025, 12:39:15 pm »
NATO Is a Corpse
by RealClearWire  April 12, 2025

NATO is a corpse. All that remains is the grotesque performance art of a diplomatic zombie stumbling from summit to summit, mouthing tired clichés about “shared values” and “burden sharing,” even as its core strategic logic lies rotting beneath the surface. The Atlantic Alliance, once the steel scaffolding of Western security, has become a hollow ritual. Its military readiness is an illusion. Its political cohesion is fraying. Its future, if it has one, lies not in revival—but in reinvention or replacement.

This is not a triumphalist declaration from the Kremlin or Beijing. It is a sober diagnosis, grounded in realism and restraint. And it should be a wake-up call in Washington, Ottawa, Berlin, and beyond.

NATO’s death was not caused by Donald Trump, though he may soon become its undertaker. Nor was it caused by Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, though that war has exposed the Alliance’s hollowness in ways no war game or communique ever could. The real cause lies in decades of European free-riding, American strategic drift, and a foundational lie at the heart of the Alliance: the idea that an empire can masquerade as a collective defense pact without consequences.

Let’s start with the numbers. Most NATO members still do not meet the 2 percent of GDP defense spending benchmark, despite years of promises and performative panic. Canada, which has taken freeloading to an art form, has shown no serious intention of meeting its obligations. As I’ve written elsewhere, Trudeau’s empty pledges mask a decaying defense industrial base, a stagnant recruiting system, and an Arctic strategy made of snow and sentiment.

Germany—the economic motor of Europe—still can’t field a combat-ready army for more than a few weeks at a time. The Bundeswehr is a shell. Its special fund is already mostly spent, and its political class remains addicted to strategic ambiguity and military minimalism. France wants “strategic autonomy” but lacks the scale and will to lead Europe alone. Poland, despite its impressive rearmament, cannot carry the continent’s defense burden on its shoulders—certainly not while Berlin dithers and Washington increasingly looks west, not east.

Meanwhile, the United States—still NATO’s military backbone—faces a fiscal cliff, a recruitment crisis, and an overstretched force posture. The era of limitless resources is over. American global primacy has ended. Multipolarity has arrived. The U.S. must now prioritize. And that means making hard choices about where its forces are truly needed—and where others must finally step up or face the consequences.
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Re: NATO Is a Corpse
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2025, 04:07:18 pm »
Absent Russian imperialism there would be no need for NATO. That said, NATO will persist at least until the EU forms an EU military.
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Re: NATO Is a Corpse
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2025, 04:26:18 pm »
There have been numerous posts through the years in this forum regarding how to get Turkey OUT of NATO -- and that being problematical because there is no means of "expelling" a NATO member.

The solution is easy:
DISSOLVE NATO, and then form a new alliance in its stead.
Without inviting Turkey to join.

Or, perhaps... no "replacement" at all.

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2025, 08:43:10 pm »
Absent Russian imperialism there would be no need for NATO. That said, NATO will persist at least until the EU forms an EU military.

The US packs up its military and wallet, and wala! ---- the EU Defense Alliance is born.  Easy peasy.




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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2025, 08:50:42 pm »
FTA:

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A more self-reliant Europe is not a threat to American interests; it is a precondition for strategic focus on the North Pacific, the Arctic, and the Western Hemisphere—where the real contests of the 21st century will be decided.

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2025, 10:12:29 pm »
NATO has outlived its core mission - to contain Stalin's European Soviet imperialism.

Europe can use the E.U. organizational structure as a basis to form a defensive Continental military alliance without the blood and treasury of the United States.

America's future is the North Pacific, the Arctic, the Westen Hemisphere, and Africa.  Europe and the Middle East are 20th Century Wilsonian albatross around the neck of 21st Century America.

If Western European elites are going to continue to view America as their backwater hick cousin, and Americans as knuckle-dragging Neanderthals, let them do it at the expense of their own Euro-trash blood and treasury.

America is not a military nor colonial empire; it is a commerical empire.

European and Middle Eastern entanglements are no longer good for America's business, which is business itself.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2025, 01:59:51 am »
The US packs up its military and wallet, and wala! ---- the EU Defense Alliance is born.  Easy peasy.

Why are you loyal to Russia? Would you rather have your grand kids fight for Russia?
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2025, 09:07:04 am »

Why are you loyal to Russia? Would you rather have your grand kids fight for Russia?

Pro tip:  You're sounding more like a loon with your every post.  And, while you are welcome to spend the rest of your days fighting the Cold War --- it's time to stop expecting others to join you.

I am loyal to the USA, first and always.  Babysitting and financing European inbreds is simply not in our best interest --- even if it is beyond your level of comprehension.





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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2025, 02:17:47 pm »
Pro tip:  You're sounding more like a loon with your every post.  And, while you are welcome to spend the rest of your days fighting the Cold War --- it's time to stop expecting others to join you.

I am loyal to the USA, first and always.  Babysitting and financing European inbreds is simply not in our best interest --- even if it is beyond your level of comprehension.


Yeah right... I'm a patriot who doesn't believe that we don't stab our allies in the back.. 


Here is the fact, we are new cold war with Russia (your favorite country with your favorite leader)/China/Iran/North Korea.


We tried isolationism in the 1930s, and guess what, it failed.


By the way the America first movement in 1930s was full of Nazi sympathizers where as todays America first movement is financed by the Kremlin. But you are too stupid to see that or you are ok with that.


Only loons like you support Russia over our Ally Ukraine
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2025, 04:08:01 pm »

Why are you loyal to Russia? Would you rather have your grand kids fight for Russia?

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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2025, 07:14:17 pm »

Yeah right... I'm a patriot who doesn't believe that we don't stab our allies in the back.. 

You might want to double-check what you're trying to say here  pointing-up

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Here is the fact, we are new cold war with Russia (your favorite country with your favorite leader)/China/Iran/North Korea.

Nope.
 
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We tried isolationism in the 1930s, and guess what, it failed.

This isn't the 1930s and no one's advocating isolationism.  It's time to turn our attention away from Europe and take care of the US interests in our backyard and on our northern flank to stop China's advances. 

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By the way the America first movement in 1930s was full of Nazi sympathizers where as todays America first movement is financed by the Kremlin. But you are too stupid to see that or you are ok with that.

You're an embarrassment. 

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Only loons like you support Russia over our Ally Ukraine

I support the financial and national security of the United States.  Neither Russia nor Ukraine is an American ally.  I'd prefer Russia and Ukraine stop killing each other, but if they choose not to, so be it ---- we'll cope.




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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2025, 07:41:02 pm »
You might want to double-check what you're trying to say here  pointing-up

Nope.
 
This isn't the 1930s and no one's advocating isolationism.  It's time to turn our attention away from Europe and take care of the US interests in our backyard and on our northern flank to stop China's advances. 

You're an embarrassment. 

I support the financial and national security of the United States.  Neither Russia nor Ukraine is an American ally.  I'd prefer Russia and Ukraine stop killing each other, but if they choose not to, so be it ---- we'll cope.

All this has become quite unsettling...to see long established Briefers show up on the other side of an issue.

Illegal immigration...fiscal restraint by governments, are one thing.

But still demonizing the 'Big Bad Russian Bear' vs. Ukraine...I don't get it, really.

Let them kill each other with Europe's money and weaponry.  We have no business butting in, when it's obvious to anyone who can fog a mirror that the Communist Chinese should be the focus of our attention.
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2025, 08:46:24 pm »
Russia must be destroyed.  22222frying pan
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2025, 08:57:24 pm »
Russia must be destroyed.  22222frying pan

LOL!  You're a broken record!!

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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2025, 11:27:41 am »
LOL!  You're a broken record!!

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Pardon me; Russia and Belarus must be destroyed.  :yowsa:
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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2025, 01:17:32 pm »
All this has become quite unsettling...to see long established Briefers show up on the other side of an issue.

Illegal immigration...fiscal restraint by governments, are one thing.

But still demonizing the 'Big Bad Russian Bear' vs. Ukraine...I don't get it, really.

Let them kill each other with Europe's money and weaponry.  We have no business butting in, when it's obvious to anyone who can fog a mirror that the Communist Chinese should be the focus of our attention.



Trump's master Putin is friends with Xi..
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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2025, 01:54:05 pm »
NATO Is a Corpse, they just smell that way because of their culturally different views on personal hygiene.

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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2025, 02:04:35 pm »
Absent Russian imperialism there would be no need for NATO. That said, NATO will persist at least until the EU forms an EU military.
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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2025, 03:11:14 pm »

Trump's master Putin is friends with Xi..

And why not?

After 4 years of being blackmailed, extorted and villainized by the DEM political leadership
 and their media propaganda machine, of course he would look to make an ally of China.
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2025, 11:42:42 am »

Why are you loyal to Russia? Would you rather have your grand kids fight for Russia?

I'm just a mite confused. Can you show me exactly where, in this statement:
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"The US packs up its military and wallet, and wala! ---- the EU Defense Alliance is born.  Easy peasy."
where anyone has expressed support for Russia?

I'll wait.
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2025, 01:27:54 pm »
I'm just a mite confused. Can you show me exactly where, in this statement: where anyone has expressed support for Russia?

I'll wait.
You might wait a long time, as he already fingered you as dumb.   Me he called a dumba**.

Throwing insults is all he has.

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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2025, 05:10:49 pm »
You might wait a long time, as he already fingered you as dumb.   Me he called a dumba**.

Throwing insults is all he has.
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2025, 02:29:58 am »
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MeganC,

Russia must be destroyed.

Really?  You think Trump is going to destroy Russia?  Hell no.  And no one else is either.  So, quit fantasizing.

And I laugh any time anyone here refers to Ukraine as our ally.  They have never, ever been our ally.  And certainly Russia isn't either.

And despite Trump beating his chest and taking a chunk out of the backside of the European nations in NATO, he has no intention of ending our participation in NATO.  I do support our reducing our contribution from roughly 75% down to say 10% financially, and for Germany, France, Great Britain and Italy to up their's to equal or be greater than that of the USA.  Particularly Germany, who have ben skating for 50 years+ on their responsibility to support NATO.  It is no mystery why Germany is the richest nation in Europe now.

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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2025, 10:14:59 am »
Really?  You think Trump is going to destroy Russia?  Hell no.  And no one else is either.  So, quit fantasizing.

I never said this.
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