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Nope. What goes down comes up.
11 (78.6%)
Yes. I'm scared as heck
0 (0%)
I don't have a 401K
3 (21.4%)
I live in a van down by the river smoking corbe's weed
0 (0%)

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Anyone checking their 401 accounts.
« on: April 03, 2025, 09:26:48 pm »
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Re: Anyone checking their 401 accounts.
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2025, 10:11:33 pm »
No 401k here.  But, being an academician, Andrew Carnegie looked out for my retirement before I was even born by setting up a nonprofit financial services company to give academicians portable pension benefits.  I haven't looked at my TIAA-CREF account since Trump's tariff nonsense began. I'm sure the part in equities has taken a beating (though because I have a greater risk tolerance with regard to currency fluctuations than most people, I have more than the usual amount in overseas assets, so the dollar being down probably buoyed up that part of the portfolio).
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2025, 10:23:22 pm »
No 401k here.  But, being an academician, Andrew Carnegie looked out for my retirement before I was even born by setting up a nonprofit financial services company to give academicians portable pension benefits.  I haven't looked at my TIAA-CREF account since Trump's tariff nonsense began. I'm sure the part in equities has taken a beating (though because I have a greater risk tolerance with regard to currency fluctuations than most people, I have more than the usual amount in overseas assets, so the dollar being down probably buoyed up that part of the portfolio).

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Re: Anyone checking their 401 accounts.
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2025, 10:41:27 pm »
I throw my unopened quarterly statements into the circular file.  It's all funny money until I cash it out, and I'm nowhere near cashing it out yet, sadly.
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Re: Anyone checking their 401 accounts.
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2025, 11:27:47 pm »
I’ve been out of equities since late 2021.  5% interest has left me in a similar position.  These tariffs are going to be unwound at some point … maybe this afternoon was a good time to hop back in, but I think there will be another down leg. 

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Re: Anyone checking their 401 accounts.
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2025, 01:47:35 pm »
The market is headed down further.  Count on it.  But it is time that is more important than timing.  Most people cannot judge the bottom or the top, and when they attempt to time the market, they usually lose out.

I see the DJIA going down as low as 30,000, but it will rebound.  This decade, I see the DJIA going to 50,000 - 80,000.  This decade is very similar to the 90s.  The formula that Harry Dent derived that is illustrated in his book The Great Boom Ahead is accurate.  Published in 1993, he forecast the market climbing to 8,500 DJIA by the year 2000, and in 1996 amended that forecast to 12,000 by 2000. 

He based this forecast on birth rate, plus what he identified as the peak of spending, age wise, which in the book was 47, he since adjusted it down to 46.  Well, the baby boom generation coming into age fueled the 90s boom in the market, and the echo baby boom will do the same for the remainder of this decade.  And having Trump as POTUS should only serve to enhance the performance of the market through the end of the decade.  The market will do well.

My wife did not understand for a long time, but she does now.  When the market goes down, she understand it is like the blue light special.  She is getting shares at a reduced price when the market goes down, so that when it rebounds, it enhances her total return.  She comprehends that by the end of the decade, her money most likely will quadruple from where it is right now.  Prior to my advice, she had her retirement money in an account getting 1/10th of 1 %.  With REAL INFLATION being around 6-9%, even during good years, one needs to make a return on investment greater than inflation to truly make money.  Most people do not comprehend how inflation destroys purchasing power.

And a TIAA-CREF is just one more form of a retirement savings program.  Whether that or a 401k, or others, they are designed to save money for your retirement years.  One cannot predict what the market will do day to day, but as Dent pointed out, one can predict trends in the market long term.  Dent has not been 100% accurate, but his formula has been proven largely true over time. 

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Re: Anyone checking their 401 accounts.
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2025, 02:05:25 pm »
We don't have a 401k.....military retirement/social security...
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2025, 03:43:29 pm »
Mentioned Harry Dent above, so I thought I would check what he is saying NOW.  His present forecast sounds alarming, because he is talking about a major collapse, but followed by the return to normality.

I think his rant as he calls it is worth a listen.  See the below URL.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aquus-wucvw

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Re: Anyone checking their 401 accounts.
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2025, 03:50:33 pm »
Anybody who could actually accurately predict the future of the stock market wouldn't need a 401K.

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Re: Anyone checking their 401 accounts.
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2025, 04:13:00 pm »
Anybody who could actually accurately predict the future of the stock market wouldn't need a 401K.

And most likely wouldn't be cluing anyone else in on it, either.

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Re: Anyone checking their 401 accounts.
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2025, 04:13:48 pm »
I've actually made money - that's a benefit of having been in financial services for over 30 years.  I got into fixed assets on February 20th.

But it sucks for a lot of people, who I would advise to hang in there. Never cash out in a downturn. It will improve. 
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2025, 04:18:01 pm »
We bought gold starting in at around $800 an ounce and stopping at $1900 at which point we started into silver and copper. All the way around we are 1) net to the plus and 2) ahead of most mutual funds.
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2025, 04:20:30 pm »
Personal finances? I have a 404...
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2025, 04:23:34 pm »
Personal finances? I have a 404...

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2025, 06:44:10 am »
No 401K, only a meager portfolio mostly in silver and other mining stocks, which is up close to 20%.
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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2025, 09:23:04 am »
Personal finances? I have a 404...

You mean  411...so you know where to dig?
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Re: Anyone checking their 401 accounts.
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2025, 09:34:19 am »
It's a big number, but I don't care.  I consider everything in equities just paper anyway 

If and when it drops some more,  I will feel like a kid in a candy store.  Onnnnn. standby.........

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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2025, 12:29:09 pm »
No 401K, only a meager portfolio mostly in silver and other mining stocks, which is up close to 20%.

Puts you ahead of 100% of Democrat college students.  :beer:
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2025, 12:47:07 pm »
Puts you ahead of 100% of Democrat college students.  :beer:
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2025, 01:11:53 pm »
No 401K, only a meager portfolio mostly in silver and other mining stocks, which is up close to 20%.

Someone on Reddit had a dividend stock only portfolio that was bringing in 1000 bucks monthly!