President Trump Is Turning This Curve Back Down

[ChemEngrMBA]

Long overdue

[libertybele]

If I recall in his SOTU address he mentioned that he was going to balance the budget.  We shall see.]

He has a lot of work ahead of him to accomplish his goals and time is precious.

[jmyrlefuller]

Not bloody likely without massive monetization.

[ChemEngrMBA]

Not bloody likely without massive monetization.

Very bloody likely since spending insanity drove the debt curve up.  Trump and Musk have turned that around in a very dramatic way.  Why do you want things to continue getting worse?  Bloody foolish of you.

[roamer_1]

Very bloody likely since spending insanity drove the debt curve up.  Trump and Musk have turned that around in a very dramatic way.  Why do you want things to continue getting worse?  Bloody foolish of you.

Naw... I think you're reading that wrong. @jmyrlefuller doesn't WANT anything... It's more a matter of whether one believes the bullcrap or not. I don't believe it either.

And I won't believe it ~any of it~ until the final numbers come in.

Show me the money.

[libertybele]

Naw... I think you're reading that wrong. @jmyrlefuller doesn't WANT anything... It's more a matter of whether one believes the bullcrap or not. I don't believe it either.

And I won't believe it ~any of it~ until the final numbers come in.

Show me the money.

Good grief ... Trump has been in office all of 2 mos or so.  It took years to run up that debt curve!

[roamer_1]

Good grief ... Trump has been in office all of 2 mos or so.  It took years to run up that debt curve!

Exactly. Which is why I don't believe a damn bit of it. And I will likely be found to be right. Chasing after shiny shit does nothing in the long run. As his first term already proved.

Believing the 'big show', especially with the prior term to look at, is more hope than sense.

[libertybele]

Exactly. Which is why I don't believe a damn bit of it. And I will likely be found to be right. Chasing after shiny shit does nothing in the long run. As his first term already proved.

Believing the 'big show', especially with the prior term to look at, is more hope than sense.

We shall see @roamer_1   I haven't given up on this President. He is trying to turn things around in a more positive direction.  Liberal judges right now are against him and they need to lose their seats and have their heads examined.

[roamer_1]

We shall see @roamer_1   I haven't given up on this President. He is trying to turn things around in a more positive direction.  Liberal judges right now are against him and they need to lose their seats and have their heads examined.

But they're not GONNA lose their seats, @libertybele , unless CONGRESS says so... and that's a 60% vote for impeachment, so that's not gonna happen.

They will hem him into EOs, circle the wagons, and wait him out, *just* like last time. Even a hurricane eventually abates. And once his popularity is in the shitter - and it will be by the end of his term - The next administration will be Democrat, and it will all come rolling right back in - including every job, with back pay.

And Congress will have changed hands, and we will all be spitting and hating on em for having done nothing AGAIN.

And I ain't a prophet. I've just watched y'all doing the same damn dance for fifty years, and I know all the moves... including the part where y'all start blowing from the other direction and come around to tell me I was right after all, AGAIN.

Y'all have to change the tune, maybe. Because I have seen this dance before. 

[libertybele]

But they're not GONNA lose their seats, @libertybele , unless CONGRESS says so... and that's a 60% vote for impeachment, so that's not gonna happen.

They will hem him into EOs, circle the wagons, and wait him out, *just* like last time. Even a hurricane eventually abates. And once his popularity is in the shitter - and it will be by the end of his term - The next administration will be Democrat, and it will all come rolling right back in - including every job, with back pay.

And Congress will have changed hands, and we will all be spitting and hating on em for having done nothing AGAIN.

And I ain't a prophet. I've just watched y'all doing the same damn dance for fifty years, and I know all the moves... including the part where y'all start blowing from the other direction and come around to tell me I was right after all, AGAIN.

Y'all have to change the tune, maybe. Because I have seen this dance before. 

We don't appoint judges or cabinet members .... so ... yes in essence all the same moves and not a whole lot can be done -- SCOTUS can rule, but with Roberts and Barrett, things won't change.

You have to give Trump some credit for trying to right this ship. He's working as quickly as possible to get things done before they rule against him.

Why he hasn't directed the GOP to start passing some legislation is puzzling.

The same thing likely would have happened if DeSantis had been elected.  He would have been faced with the same judges who likely would have liberally voted against his conservative agenda.

So ... how do things get changed @roamer_1 ??

[roamer_1]

You have to give Trump some credit for trying to right this ship. He's working as quickly as possible to get things done before they rule against him.

No I don't. He is the epitome of the false promise of populism.
There is a reason why it won't work, just judging by what's gone before.

The same thing likely would have happened if DeSantis had been elected.  He would have been faced with the same judges who likely would have liberally voted against his conservative agenda.

Probably not. DeSantis is a team player in the end. He is very good at swinging the hammer right at the breaking point, that's true... But he never swings the hammer until he has a PLAN. DeSantis is very deliberate, and he works his plan... And that plan includes congress, and all the players he needs on his side to pass budgets and legislation.

THAT'S why he's loads better, and far more effective.  As his legacy will prove.

So ... how do things get changed @roamer_1 ??

You need a machine. Not a guy. You need that machine to run for a generation, and work toward Conservatism. That means you need to DEMAND Conservatism at the ballot box. You need to DEMAND performance from YOUR side of the aisle, and throw the bastards out if they cannot perform.

Stop vetching after Democrats and look to your own - the folks you have power over and CAN change. That's why I don't give a single shit for whatever horror the Democrats do - YOU CAN'T CHANGE WHAT THEY DO. You can only change YOUR guys. The ones you vote *FOR*
So DEMAND the right things out of all of them. DEMAND that they toe the line. Or throw the bastards out.

And that machine must preach the very same message - clear as a bell, without wavering *for a generation*, standing as a real and lasting alternative to Democrat bullcrap. THAT is what will change it. That's the ONLY thing that will change it. Ever.

And even here, among the faithful, only a handful can read you, chapter and verse, the tenets of Conservatism. Only a few can rise with truth in their mouths.

Because y'all ain't in it for the activism. Y'all ain't in it for the message.
I do believe the vast majority are in it for the dance. They like the drama. They like the dance.
That's why it never changes.

[libertybele]

@roamer_1   The biggest problem is getting enough conservatives seated to make a difference -- and you actually have to have enough conservatives running.  If not, then you have to work with whom you have.

Yes, I would have much preferred DeSantis.  Absolutely without a doubt. He is a conservative and yes he is very methodical in what he does, however, as governor of FL he has had the benefit of a very conservative legislature and conservative judges.

Trump is dealing with a very thin majority and liberal judges -- DeSantis would be up against the same.  I agree with you in the aspect that DeSantis would likely try to get Congress on board, but again, he would face the same thin majority and the same defectors in the Senate.

So ... we have Trump 2.0.  We have to work with what we've got. 

IMHO what is out of control are the liberal judges and those compromised in the SCOTUS.  WE can't change that. 

At the very least Trump needs to succeed in deportations and building the dang wall!  Why Congress isn't enacting laws for him to sign is bothersome.

He needs to change AG's.  I also question the ability of the head of the FBI -- he should have purged many from the organization already.

[DCPatriot]

@roamer_1   The biggest problem is getting enough conservatives seated to make a difference -- and you actually have to have enough conservatives running.  If not, then you have to work with whom you have.

Yes, I would have much preferred DeSantis.  Absolutely without a doubt. He is a conservative and yes he is very methodical in what he does, however, as governor of FL he has had the benefit of a very conservative legislature and conservative judges.

Trump is dealing with a very thin majority and liberal judges -- DeSantis would be up against the same.  I agree with you in the aspect that DeSantis would likely try to get Congress on board, but again, he would face the same thin majority and the same defectors in the Senate.

So ... we have Trump 2.0.  We have to work with what we've got. 

IMHO what is out of control are the liberal judges and those compromised in the SCOTUS.  WE can't change that. 

At the very least Trump needs to succeed in deportations and building the dang wall!  Why Congress isn't enacting laws for him to sign is bothersome.

He needs to change AG's.  I also question the ability of the head of the FBI -- he should have purged many from the organization already.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, @libertybele ...

STOP feeding the zoo exhibits.

[roamer_1]

If not, then you have to work with whom you have.

This is the quintessential error. BECAUSE you will 'work with what you have' you will ALWAYS be chasing LESS than you WANT.

NO. DEMAND EXCELLENCE.

This is no damn different than at your local school, where you can see the very same dynamic - YEARS and DECADES of poor performance, turned around in a second the minute the demand is required. But it must be REQUIRED, with teeth. And it must be lasting. That is when they will straighten up and fly right... And ONLY then.

So ... we have Trump 2.0.  We have to work with what we've got. 

Whee!

IMHO what is out of control are the liberal judges and those compromised in the SCOTUS.  WE can't change that. 

Yes, you can. But not through Tumpy. CONGRESS can change that. If Congress were to do their job and be jealous of its power, it would move to impeach bad acting judges who write from the bench. And ONLY Congress can do that. And that is part of why Tumpy will wind up being a giant waste of time.

At the very least Trump needs to succeed in deportations and building the dang wall! 

It will never happen in four years. Whatever he gets done will be knocked down in the next administration, or the one after that. There is the problem with populism. It is short in the tooth and long in the memory.

Why Congress isn't enacting laws for him to sign is bothersome.

He's not an emperor. Congress doesn't have to bow to him. And if he pisses them off, especially by phukkin with the feed trough, they sure ain't gonna go with him. They will get in his way. You can bet money on that. That is why it is so important to elect true blue Conservatives to Congress, and stop playing this stupid ass game of musical chairs.

He needs to change AG's.  I also question the ability of the head of the FBI -- he should have purged many from the organization already.

It really doesn't matter what he does unless he can get Congress at his back. Everything he does will just be turned back over in the next administration. The power that preserves is getting it written in law. and overturning existing law. It is Congress that can destroy bureaucracies. Tumpy can only put them on a shelf for a few years.

That's the difference. And that's what will happen.

[ChemEngrMBA]

For decades, Democrats have spent and taxed and spent and taxed.  The debt has skyrocketed, as has educational spending.   We now pay more to government for less in service and common sense.  So what do Democrats do?They double down, burn Teslas, condemn sending criminals back to South America, and show mental and emotional instability.

[roamer_1]

*SMH*

It's the Republicans that LET THEM.
Who best then deserves your ire?

The side you don't control, or the side YOU put in place, specifically to prevent this sort of thing, and to protect your rights? So who first, the thief or the guard who was supposed to prevent the thief?

[libertybele]

This is the quintessential error. BECAUSE you will 'work with what you have' you will ALWAYS be chasing LESS than you WANT.

NO. DEMAND EXCELLENCE.

This is no damn different than at your local school, where you can see the very same dynamic - YEARS and DECADES of poor performance, turned around in a second the minute the demand is required. But it must be REQUIRED, with teeth. And it must be lasting. That is when they will straighten up and fly right... And ONLY then.

Whee!

Yes, you can. But not through Tumpy. CONGRESS can change that. If Congress were to do their job and be jealous of its power, it would move to impeach bad acting judges who write from the bench. And ONLY Congress can do that. And that is part of why Tumpy will wind up being a giant waste of time.

It will never happen in four years. Whatever he gets done will be knocked down in the next administration, or the one after that. There is the problem with populism. It is short in the tooth and long in the memory.

He's not an emperor. Congress doesn't have to bow to him. And if he pisses them off, especially by phukkin with the feed trough, they sure ain't gonna go with him. They will get in his way. You can bet money on that. That is why it is so important to elect true blue Conservatives to Congress, and stop playing this stupid ass game of musical chairs.

It really doesn't matter what he does unless he can get Congress at his back. Everything he does will just be turned back over in the next administration. The power that preserves is getting it written in law. and overturning existing law. It is Congress that can destroy bureaucracies. Tumpy can only put them on a shelf for a few years.

That's the difference. And that's what will happen.

I get that... however -- Congress is too riddled with liberals and GOPe...it's going to take many voting cycles to change that and try as we might, there are those like McConnell  (who is finally leaving) that through whatever means they have at their disposal, keep their cronies in their seats and prevent conservatives from being seated.

....and so the same song and dance continues.

Again ... it's also a matter of getting enough true conservatives to actually run. They are few and far between.

[roamer_1]

I get that... however -- Congress is too riddled with liberals and GOPe...it's going to take many voting cycles to change that and try as we might, there are those like McConnell  (who is finally leaving) that through whatever means they have at their disposal, keep their cronies in their seats and prevent conservatives from being seated.

....and so the same song and dance continues.

There's your problem, right there. And nothing is going to change until that does.

[libertybele]

There's your problem, right there. And nothing is going to change until that does.

Yes, I know and how do you propose to change that, when there aren't enough conservatives running?? 

So ....... we're back with having to either wash are hands of what is happening or work with what we've got.

Peace @roamer_1

[berdie]

Yes, I know and how do you propose to change that, when there aren't enough conservatives running?? 

So ....... we're back with having to either wash are hands of what is happening or work with what we've got.

Peace @roamer_1

I have to agree @libertybele. We don't have enough conservatives running. And I can't say I blame them. Why would  anyone  want to get into the viscous political arena? It turns into a big loss for the country. The days of the Founding Fathers risking their lives and fortunes for the country are long gone.  But maybe politics have always been this way. We just didn't have information, both false and true, available to us.

[ChemEngrMBA]

"We have given you a republic, if you can keep it." --Benjamin Franklin's response to Elizabeth Willing Powel's question: "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"

Democrats have been doing their best to get rid of our republic.  More than half of college students have been brainwashed by their Leftist faculty into preferring socialism over our republic.

[roamer_1]

... And Republicans have let em. No sturdy, well defended alternative. No 'other way' offered.