Judge blocks Trump from deporting noncitizens under Alien Enemies Act, orders flights turned around

[Kamaji]

Just shut up.  You are a Loon.  A proven loon.  Not sure why you are still here.

Says the proto-fascist who has realized he cannot articulate an argument for the end result he seeks.

[Kamaji]

They already did in 1948. The President is well within his Article 2 authority to use the Alien Enemies Act.

No, he’s not.  The facts in the prior cases were different in relevant part to the facts here and now.  Different facts yield a different outcome.

Duh.

[Wingnut]

Says the proto-fascist who has realized he cannot articulate an argument for the end result he seeks.

You proved my point.  "Proto-fascist" ...  who the hell talks likes that except a loon.

[berdie]

Nope, YOU believe the predicate facts don't exist.  But it is not your belief that counts, it is the President's, and in no manner, way, shape or form does he have to get the approval of some court.

He can interpret the Constitution as well as any court, regardless of what some court believes it is their sole right to do so.  That right is fabricated by past courts, decidedly not by the Constitution.

So would you feel the same if it were Obama or Biden? Just asking.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

So would you feel the same if it were Obama or Biden? Just asking.

in removing dangerous illegals from America, hell yes

[berdie]

Nope.  If the predicate facts don’t exist, the President cannot act, and the existence of those predicates is not at the sole whim of the president.

As badly as I want these deportations to happen, after doing a little reading, I have to agree with you. 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

You proved my point.  "Proto-fascist" ...  who the hell talks likes that except a loon.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xfmvQJ-Nitk&si=qDPN9P6Ey5kBBM83

[Kamaji]

As badly as I want these deportations to happen, after doing a little reading, I have to agree with you. 

Thank you.  I agree that these thugs should be deported as soon as posssible,  if it should be done in a way that won’t simply be reversed by a court, and if the current immigration laws aren’t up to snuff then Trump and the Republicans in Congress should be focusing on fixing them, not trying to end-run them. 

[Cyber Liberty]

They already did in 1948. The President is well within his Article 2 authority to use the Alien Enemies Act.

Thank you!

[Smokin Joe]

No, you didn’t read the statute.  A foreign government must EITHER declare war, or perpetrate an invasion or predatory incursion against US territory.

50 USC sec. 21.

Look it up and read it.

By that logic, any non state actor is untouchable. Hamas, Hizb'allah, Abu Sayeff, Boko Haram, ISIS, AlQaida, and other international terrorist organizations which don't call one patch of dirt 'home" and run it as the government of record are immune to the law?

They don't have to have a country to declare war on us, or have you forgotten 9/11?

Me? I'm for tossing them out via trebuchet.

I find it mighty civilized to fly them somewhere else and even land the plane before kicking them off.

Oh, Hell, no.

[bilo]

By that logic, any non state actor is untouchable. Hamas, Hizb'allah, Abu Sayeff, Boko Haram, ISIS, AlQaida, and other international terrorist organizations which don't call one patch of dirt 'home" and run it as the government of record are immune to the law?

They don't have to have a country to declare war on us, or have you forgotten 9/11?

Me? I'm for tossing them out via trebuchet.

I find it mighty civilized to fly them somewhere else and even land the plane before kicking them off.



Oh, Hell, no.

An Act Respecting Alien Enemies

SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured and removed, as alien enemies.

I know the posters with TDS want to argue that to exercise this act it must be a declared war against a nation, but the SCOTUS ruled in 1948 that Pres. Truman was justified to use this act even though WWII was over and that the SCOTUS should not be involved.

[Smokin Joe]

An Act Respecting Alien Enemies

SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured and removed, as alien enemies.

I know the posters with TDS want to argue that to exercise this act it must be a declared war against a nation, but the SCOTUS ruled in 1948 that Pres. Truman was justified to use this act even though WWII was over and that the SCOTUS should not be involved.

I would argue that terrorist groups, even in lieu of staked territory recognized by other governments, do govern those areas within their control. Thus, they are de facto, even if illegitimate, governments within the loci of their influence. AlQaida did not govern Afghanistan, and our war with that State was allegedly with the terrorist group, rather than the recognized government.

Certainly, we would have reserved the right to deport anyone associated with that group--regardless of nationality. We did not declare war on Iran, yet we did target individuals of that nationality who were coaching terrorist groups.

We are not at war with Yemen, but we blasted Houthis recently.

Is this judge trying to say that we cannot remove criminal actors, here illegally, who are part of known terrorist groups?

Nonsense.

[verga]

I would argue that terrorist groups, even in lieu of staked territory recognized by other governments, do govern those areas within their control. Thus, they are de facto, even if illegitimate, governments within the loci of their influence. AlQaida did not govern Afghanistan, and our war with that State was allegedly with the terrorist group, rather than the recognized government.

Certainly, we would have reserved the right to deport anyone associated with that group--regardless of nationality. We did not declare war on Iran, yet we did target individuals of that nationality who were coaching terrorist groups.

We are not at war with Yemen, but we blasted Houthis recently.

Is this judge trying to say that we cannot remove criminal actors, here illegally, who are part of known terrorist groups?

Nonsense.

QFT, this is exactly where I come down on it. The fact that these countries are providing support, material and otherwise, gives us the moral obligation to treat them as enemy invaders.

[Bigun]

QFT, this is exactly where I come down on it. The fact that these countries are providing support, material and otherwise, gives us the moral obligation to treat them as enemy invaders.

I agree! And these little pissant district court judges don't have any say in the matter despite their delusions.

[mystery-ak]

Stephen Miller
@StephenM
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2h
Currently, district court judges have assumed the mantle of Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Secretary of Homeland Security and Commander-in-Chief. Each day, they change the foreign policy, economic, staffing and national security policies of the Administration. Each day the nation arises to see what the craziest unelected local federal judge has decided the policies of the government of the United States shall be. It is madness. It is lunacy. It is pure lawlessness. It is the gravest assault on democracy. It must and will end.

[Kamaji]

I would argue that terrorist groups, even in lieu of staked territory recognized by other governments, do govern those areas within their control. Thus, they are de facto, even if illegitimate, governments within the loci of their influence. AlQaida did not govern Afghanistan, and our war with that State was allegedly with the terrorist group, rather than the recognized government.

Certainly, we would have reserved the right to deport anyone associated with that group--regardless of nationality. We did not declare war on Iran, yet we did target individuals of that nationality who were coaching terrorist groups.

We are not at war with Yemen, but we blasted Houthis recently.

Is this judge trying to say that we cannot remove criminal actors, here illegally, who are part of known terrorist groups?

Nonsense.

The AEA, and Trumps invocation of it, were the only issues before the court, and that is what the court addressed.  The U.S. has comprehensive immigration laws and Trump could have chosen to proceed that way; but he didn’t.  He chose to proceed under the AEA, and the court correctly told him that the AEA did not apply to the intended removals because the factual predicate of foreign government action had not been satisfied.

If the judge is wrong, then either the appeals court or the Supreme Court will sort it out, and the proper course of action is to appeal the judges decision, not to villainize the judge.

[mystery-ak]

Judge Boasberg Grants 24-Hour Stay in Alien Enemies Act Case, But Blasts Trump Admin in Latest Court Order
by Cristina Laila Mar. 19, 2025 1:40 pm

Judge James Boasberg granted a 24 hour stay in the Enemies Alien Act case, but he made sure to blast the Trump Administration in his latest court order.

President Trump’s DOJ earlier Tuesday accused Judge Boasberg of being engaged in “picayune dispute over micromanagement of immaterial factfinding” for asking whether the government defied his previous order related to ordering planes en route to Central America deporting dangerous Venezuelan aliens to turn around.

“What began as a dispute between litigants over the President’s authority to protect the national security and manage the foreign relations of the United States pursuant to both a longstanding Congressional authorization and the President’s core constitutional authorities has devolved into a picayune dispute over the micromanagement of immaterial factfinding. In a series of orders this Court has requested the Government to provide it details about the movements of aircraft outside of the United States and interactions with foreign nations which have no bearing on any legal issue at stake in the case,” the DOJ wrote.

There is currently a showdown between the DOJ and Boasberg after he demanded national security details from President Trump on the routes and times of his flights of violent illegal aliens to El Salvador.

The Justice Department on Tuesday once again refused to give Judge James Boasberg sensitive information in a case against Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act.

As White House advisor Stephen Miller pointed out on CNN, the Supreme Court previously ruled that any Alien Enemy Act removals by a US President are not subject to judicial review.

The DOJ on Wednesday morning slammed Judge Boasberg’s latest order as an “egregious overreach” into the powers of the Executive Branch.

Boasberg later Wednesday granted a 24-hour stay, he blasted the Trump Administration in his order.

more
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/judge-boasberg-grants-24-hour-stay-alien-enemies/

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Judge Boasberg Grants 24-Hour Stay in Alien Enemies Act Case, But Blasts Trump Admin in Latest Court Order
by Cristina Laila Mar. 19, 2025 1:40 pm

Judge James Boasberg granted a 24 hour stay in the Enemies Alien Act case, but he made sure to blast the Trump Administration in his latest court order.

President Trump’s DOJ earlier Tuesday accused Judge Boasberg of being engaged in “picayune dispute over micromanagement of immaterial factfinding” for asking whether the government defied his previous order related to ordering planes en route to Central America deporting dangerous Venezuelan aliens to turn around.

“What began as a dispute between litigants over the President’s authority to protect the national security and manage the foreign relations of the United States pursuant to both a longstanding Congressional authorization and the President’s core constitutional authorities has devolved into a picayune dispute over the micromanagement of immaterial factfinding. In a series of orders this Court has requested the Government to provide it details about the movements of aircraft outside of the United States and interactions with foreign nations which have no bearing on any legal issue at stake in the case,” the DOJ wrote.

There is currently a showdown between the DOJ and Boasberg after he demanded national security details from President Trump on the routes and times of his flights of violent illegal aliens to El Salvador.

The Justice Department on Tuesday once again refused to give Judge James Boasberg sensitive information in a case against Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act.

As White House advisor Stephen Miller pointed out on CNN, the Supreme Court previously ruled that any Alien Enemy Act removals by a US President are not subject to judicial review.

The DOJ on Wednesday morning slammed Judge Boasberg’s latest order as an “egregious overreach” into the powers of the Executive Branch.

Boasberg later Wednesday granted a 24-hour stay, he blasted the Trump Administration in his order.

more
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/judge-boasberg-grants-24-hour-stay-alien-enemies/

The judge is scrambling to save face now, as he has realized his position is anathema to almost all Americans in harboring criminals and making them the victims.

[libertybele]

The judge is scrambling to save face now, as he has realized his position is anathema to almost all Americans in harboring criminals and making them the victims.

Exactly.

[mystery-ak]

Judge fumes over late-night deportation move signed ‘in the dark’
A federal judge grilled Justice Department lawyers about what details they knew about deportation flights and questioned the White House's 'frightening' view of unchecked executive powers
By Breanne Deppisch Fox News
Published March 21, 2025 5:45pm EDT

A federal judge grilled Trump administration lawyers Friday over the deportation of Venezuelan nationals to El Salvador despite an earlier court order explicitly blocking the move. It was the latest in a legal dispute that could reach the Supreme Court.

During a motion hearing, U.S. District Court Judge James Boasberg questioned Deputy Assistant Attorney General Drew Ensign about why the Trump administration failed to comply with an emergency court order that temporarily blocked its use of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to deport Venezuelan nationals, including alleged members of the gang Tren de Aragua, from U.S. soil for 14 days.

At least 261 migrants were deported Saturday from the U.S. to El Salvador, including more than 100 Venezuelan nationals who were subject to removal "solely on the basis" of the law temporarily blocked by the court.

Boasberg used the first portion of Friday's hearing to press Ensign for details over the government's deportation flights to El Salvador.

"Why was this proclamation signed in the dark on Friday, early Saturday morning, and then these people rushed onto the planes?" Boasberg asked Justice Department attorneys. "To me, the only reason to do that is if you know the problem, and you want to get them out of the country before a suit is filed."

Ensign was also pressed at length over what he knew about the deportations during last week's court hearing, when Boasberg ordered the Trump administration to temporarily halt any planned removals of Venezuelan migrants subject to the Alien Enemies Act.

Boasberg also issued a bench ruling Saturday ordering the immediate return of any planes deporting the Venezuelan nationals targeted for deportation under the Alien Enemies Act.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-fumes-over-late-night-deportation-move-signed-in-dark

[mystery-ak]

Trump didn't take my advice on X that he should show up for these court proceedings telling the Judge he wanted to see *the Judge who thinks he's President*....

[Smokin Joe]

The AEA, and Trumps invocation of it, were the only issues before the court, and that is what the court addressed.  The U.S. has comprehensive immigration laws and Trump could have chosen to proceed that way; but he didn’t.  He chose to proceed under the AEA, and the court correctly told him that the AEA did not apply to the intended removals because the factual predicate of foreign government action had not been satisfied.

If the judge is wrong, then either the appeals court or the Supreme Court will sort it out, and the proper course of action is to appeal the judges decision, not to villainize the judge.

Each of these terrorist groups, in lieu of possessing a storefront "country" is a de facto government.

With your logic, laws governing the conduct of business can be ignored by internet merchants because they lack a storefront.

It is beyond doubt that these groups govern within their direct sphere of influence. They form a government within a State (or more than one). Go there and tell them they don't run the place and they will shoot you, behead you, or just string you up and flay you alive. You can argue with them about how they aren't a country. Wave that writ. Hamas doesn't 'have a country', though they occupy Gaza. There is no country of AlQaida, no nation of Hizb'allah, no state of Abu Sayeff, no nation of ISIS drawn out on the map. So, so by your logic, supposedly, we can't deport them either? Do we have to wait for them to be recognized by the UN? >spit<

Interpretation of all of our laws has changed to keep up with more modern developments, from telecommunications to the internet. It's past time to recognize that non State groups form de facto hostile governments, even in the absence of recognition as a State, just as we recognize that stealing money through the internet is theft, just as much as picking your pocket.

[Right_in_Virginia]

  Trump is neither Czar nor dictator, and if the rule of law means anything, it means the executive’s decisions are always subject to review.

But he does not change his course at the whims of co-equal government employees; even if they are wearing robes.

The rule of law begins with the separation of powers.

[libertybele]

Trump didn't take my advice on X that he should show up for these court proceedings telling the Judge he wanted to see *the Judge who thinks he's President*....

 

[libertybele]

The AEA, and Trumps invocation of it, were the only issues before the court, and that is what the court addressed.  The U.S. has comprehensive immigration laws and Trump could have chosen to proceed that way; but he didn’t.  He chose to proceed under the AEA, and the court correctly told him that the AEA did not apply to the intended removals because the factual predicate of foreign government action had not been satisfied.

If the judge is wrong, then either the appeals court or the Supreme Court will sort it out, and the proper course of action is to appeal the judges decision, not to villainize the judge.

So the President should just sit back and do nothing while our country is being invaded, our citizens murdered, raped held hostage, and tortured.

Got it.  Sounds like a great plan.   

President Trumps is using his legal authorities and some punk azz liberal judge want to continue to see this country go down hill on a very slippery slope.

I would argue that most Americans feel it is the duty of the President to protect this country and its citizens from ALL enemies.  ILLEGALS ARE ENEMIES of this country.

DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS!!!! They have NO rights under the Constitution as they are NOT American citizens.