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SCOTUS rules on nearly $2 billion in frozen USAID payments
« on: March 05, 2025, 09:39:20 am »
SCOTUS rules on nearly $2 billion in frozen USAID payments
The case came about after President Donald Trump froze roughly $1.9 billion in USAID payments
By Breanne Deppisch Fox News
Published March 5, 2025 9:21am EST

ALT 1 - SIDING WITH USAID GROUPS : The Supreme Court on Wednesday denied the Trump administration's request to block a lower court's order for the administration to pay nearly $2 billion in foreign aid money, delivering a near-term reprieve to international aid groups and contractors seeking payment for previously completed projects.

In a one-paragraph ruling, the Court noted that the Feb. 26 deadline imposed by the lower court had already expired, so that court must now present new instructions.

"Given that the deadline in the challenged order has now passed, and in light of the ongoing preliminary injunction proceedings, the District Court should clarify what obligations the Government must fulfill to ensure compliance with the temporary restraining order, with due regard for the feasibility of any compliance timelines," the Court said.

Chief Justice John Roberts had agreed last Wednesday to pause a lower court’s decision requiring the Trump administration to pay by 11:59 p.m. all outstanding invoices to foreign aid groups, an amount totaling roughly $1.9 billion – a timeline the Justice Department had argued was "impossible" to comply with.   

Roberts did not give a reason for agreeing to pause the order issued by U.S. District Judge Amir Ali, a Biden appointee, though the chief justice had widely been expected to refer the matter to the full court for review.

Importantly, the pause prevented foreign aid groups from filing a motion of civil contempt against the Trump administration— a legal maneuver that employees from the affected groups said in interviews this week could have expedited their process to claw back the unpaid debt.

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Re: SCOTUS rules on nearly $2 billion in frozen USAID payments
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2025, 09:52:01 am »
So this how it is, Judicial Branch über alles?
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2025, 10:13:28 am »
No, but withholding payments on already completed projects is plainly a violation of standard contract law.  Federal grants are in the nature of contracts -- we give you $x you do project y -- and as such are subject to contract law, even though one of the parties is the executive branch of the Federal government.  Stiffing parties who did what they agreed to do is both legally and morally wrong, even if you and President Trump object to what they agreed to do.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2025, 10:34:27 am »
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Re: SCOTUS rules on nearly $2 billion in frozen USAID payments
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2025, 10:36:17 am »
Do not trust the Government as a business counterparty; they make the rules, they re-make the rules, and they can break their own rules with impunity.

SCOTUS upheld standard contract law by 1 vote ... not looking good for contract law.

Contracts are just words on a piece of paper.

Trump does not feel obligated to fulfill contracts made by his predecessors.  Everything is up for re-negotiation at all times for any reason.
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Re: SCOTUS rules on nearly $2 billion in frozen USAID payments
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2025, 10:50:22 am »
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BREAKING: Supreme Court DENIES President Trump‘s emergency bid to cancel nearly $2 billion in USAID spending. The vote is 5-4.
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2025, 10:57:51 am »
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"Does a single district-court judge who likely lacks jurisdiction have the unchecked power to compel the Government of the United States to pay out (and probably lose forever) 2 billion taxpayer dollars? The answer to that question should be an emphatic ‘No,’ but a majority of this Court apparently thinks otherwise," Alito wrote. "I am stunned."

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2025, 10:58:05 am »
So much for saving 2b...unbelievable
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2025, 11:23:49 am »
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Why? This makes absolutely no sense at all? Legally or even with common sense, this ruling is absurd.
It always involves Roberts when the ruling is against America and Americans. I think someone is pulling his chain.
America is not legally allowed to NOT pay foreign countries? really?
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2025, 11:29:06 am »
Why? This makes absolutely no sense at all? Legally or even with common sense, this ruling is absurd.
It always involves Roberts when the ruling is against America and Americans. I think someone is pulling his chain.

Roberts has been a thorn in conservatism for awhile. He rarely ruled in Trump's favor during his first administration and I don't expect him to rule in Trump's favor this time around.  Barrett continues to rule more liberal and is a complete disappointment as well.

Agreed; this ruling is absurd.

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2025, 11:33:34 am »
Quoting a famous American; "The court has rendered it's opinion. Now let's see them enforce it".

It's that time again IMHO!
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2025, 11:41:51 am »

Quoting a famous American; "The court has rendered it's opinion. Now let's see them enforce it".

It's that time again IMHO!
Exactly! Democrats proudly ignore SCOTUS all the time. It is time for Republicans to follow the trail Democrats have used frequently.

Next, SCOTUS will rule that all Americans must donate to the Red Cross. Under rule of Law!

You cannot legally force anybody to give charity. Makes no sense. If ever there was a hill to die on, this an 80/20 hill that requires Republicans to take a stand.
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2025, 11:47:12 am »
Exactly! Democrats proudly ignore SCOTUS all the time. It is time for Republicans to follow the trail Democrats have used frequently.

Next, SCOTUS will rule that all Americans must donate to the Red Cross. Under rule of Law!

You cannot legally force anybody to give charity. Makes no sense. If ever there was a hill to die on, this an 80/20 hill that requires Republicans to take a stand.

Courts do not issue rulings! They only render opinions and if I were a member of congress today, I would be introducing legislation to do away with every federal district court in existence.
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2025, 11:47:16 am »
I want to know who recommended Dem Amy Coney Barrett to Trump...?
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I want to know who recommended Dem Amy Coney Barrett to Trump...?

I believe she was on the Federalist short list and IIRC endorsed by Ted Cruz and others. Shame on us!
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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2025, 11:54:43 am »
Why? This makes absolutely no sense at all? Legally or even with common sense, this ruling is absurd.
It always involves Roberts when the ruling is against America and Americans. I think someone is pulling his chain.
America is not legally allowed to NOT pay foreign countries? really?

It seems like Roberts will grasp at the tiniest procedural loophole to get the result he wants. I get tired of the constant hairsplitting and maneuvering. This is too big s case with wide ranging implications to play trivial games with.
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2025, 11:59:00 am »
It seems like Roberts will grasp at the tiniest procedural loophole to get the result he wants. I get tired of the constant hairsplitting and maneuvering. This is too big s case with wide ranging implications to play trivial games with.

He (Roberts) hates Trump and Barrett follows him around like a little puppy dog.
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2025, 12:04:44 pm »
Going forward, stop any future contracts. Just say no. Stop the bleeding.
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2025, 12:11:28 pm »
He (Roberts) hates Trump and Barrett follows him around like a little puppy dog.
Well, what he(Roberts) has effectively done is he has weakened the authority of SCOTUS.
By ruling in favor of this, Roberts has given any backwater rural Judge the same power as SCOTUS.
If any Judge anywhere can order Trump how to conduct foreign affairs, then why do we need SCOTUS?
Every Judge is now SCOTUS. Every Judge now rules American financial and foreign policy.
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2025, 12:19:18 pm »
I want to know who recommended Dem Amy Coney Barrett to Trump...?

I have to admit, of the nominees I pushed Amy Coney Barrett as more conservative than Roberts (I thought).... My only reserve was She was Catholic (which in my opinion tend to be mushy on things). But she studied under a firm conservative and I had high hopes for her. She was the only one I actively pushed of Trump's short list. I feel cheated and dirty that I pushed her. Ugggg
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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2025, 12:28:23 pm »
How can you disperse fund when you fired all the dispersers and repurposed their office?
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2025, 12:33:04 pm »
I have to admit, of the nominees I pushed Amy Coney Barrett as more conservative than Roberts (I thought).... My only reserve was She was Catholic (which in my opinion tend to be mushy on things). But she studied under a firm conservative and I had high hopes for her. She was the only one I actively pushed of Trump's short list. I feel cheated and dirty that I pushed her. Ugggg

I know that feeling well as I campaigned with G. W. Bush in 1994 (when he was running for Governor of Texas) and voted for him twice for president. He tried to put Harriet Myers on the court when that didn't fly, went with John Roberts. :3:
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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2025, 12:37:50 pm »
Well, what he(Roberts) has effectively done is he has weakened the authority of SCOTUS.
By ruling in favor of this, Roberts has given any backwater rural Judge the same power as SCOTUS.
If any Judge anywhere can order Trump how to conduct foreign affairs, then why do we need SCOTUS?
Every Judge is now SCOTUS. Every Judge now rules American financial and foreign policy.

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« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2025, 01:40:07 pm »
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There is more than meets the eye in this 5-4, unsigned opinion. After the March 6 hearing on the preliminary injunction, the case can be appealed to these awaiting justices. Only four are needed to grant review, so you do the math.
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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2025, 01:44:43 pm »
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There is more than meets the eye in this 5-4, unsigned opinion. After the March 6 hearing on the preliminary injunction, the case can be appealed to these awaiting justices. Only four are needed to grant review, so you do the math.
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More at Turley's website: https://t.co/jqsC7zkoGb

Sounds promising...
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2025, 01:49:43 pm »
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Beware media reports of SCOTUS ruling on @StateDept
 spending. The "decision" by SCOTUS is an opinion related to a temporary order, not full Court opinion. No majority written opinion. Scope only related to spending for past activity, not future spending. No decision on merits.
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Given SCOTUS’s recent skepticism of the scope of the APA, and the particular nature of the District Court Judge’s ruling (see Alito dissent in this opinion) - there are many reasons to think that the Trump Administration will win this case as it plays out.
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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2025, 02:04:06 pm »
I have to admit, of the nominees I pushed Amy Coney Barrett as more conservative than Roberts (I thought).... My only reserve was She was Catholic (which in my opinion tend to be mushy on things). But she studied under a firm conservative and I had high hopes for her. She was the only one I actively pushed of Trump's short list. I feel cheated and dirty that I pushed her. Ugggg
We are in exactly the same boat. The only difference is that I liked her because she is Catholic (Feinstein hated her because of it) .
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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2025, 02:08:20 pm »
Cannot the President declare to fulfill that contract causes him to spend above the legal debt limit in place now?

He decides what can be paid below it, so the rest is above it and against the law, doesn't he?

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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2025, 02:12:22 pm »
Without contracts, contract law, and contract law enforcement, the exchange of good and services in our capitalist economy, based upon good faith and full credit of both counterparties , would cease.

The trust that is the backbone of our Economy and Government would cease.  Producers and sellers would have to demand full payment upfront in cash.  Credit would no longer exist or would seize.

What's the value of a promissory note if a counterparty cannot trust the underlying "promise" of future payment contained within that note? 

Accounts payable and account receiveable would be worthless or steeply discounted, significantly reducing the GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) value of enterprises.  It would be mark-to-market deflationary death spiral hell, much like the 2008/2009 Financial Crisis.

A system that relies on trust cannot function without trust (contracts, contract enforcement).
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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2025, 02:31:20 pm »
Without contracts, contract law, and contract law enforcement, the exchange of good and services in our capitalist economy, based upon good faith and full credit of both counterparties , would cease.

The trust that is the backbone of our Economy and Government would cease.  Producers and sellers would have to demand full payment upfront in cash.  Credit would no longer exist or would seize.

What's the value of a promissory note if a counterparty cannot trust the underlying "promise" of future payment contained within that note? 

Accounts payable and account receiveable would be worthless or steeply discounted, significantly reducing the GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) value of enterprises.  It would be mark-to-market deflationary death spiral hell, much like the 2008/2009 Financial Crisis.

A system that relies on trust cannot function without trust (contracts, contract enforcement).
All well and good, but are we certain the funding that has been cut are actually in the form of a 'contract' as you define?

I give to a church, and to other charities, so does that constitute a 'contract' I must be forced to continue paying?

Until there is more certainty here on what is exactly the subject of contention, it may not be appropriate to categorically indicate this is that same form of 'contract'

As an example, this is lifted from article:

The high court challenge comes as many of the foreign aid groups who sued the administration earlier this year have already been stripped of the bulk of their funding. This aligns with President Donald Trump's stated plans to cut some 90% of USAID foreign aid contracts and to slash an additional $60 billion in foreign aid spending.

This language is not precise enough to say it is what you are saying a 'contract' is.

What if a NGO was under 'contract' to provide certain services for a bunch of illegals to fly into this country, as Biden was doing? What if Biden had signed up to fly a million illegals into the country as part of this 'contract' before he stepped aside? 

Would you consider it appropriate to honor this 'contract' for services in order to preserve the sancitity of contract law?
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« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2025, 04:49:34 pm »
Just as only Eunuchs were allowed to guard the Sheik's harem...only people with no family should be allowed on the SCOTUS.

This blackmail/extortion must be "...nipped in the bud".
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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2025, 05:57:54 pm »
Patriot proposes:
"Just as only Eunuchs were allowed to guard the Sheik's harem...only people with no family should be allowed on the SCOTUS..."

No.
Only white males should be considered for the position.
Preferably late 40s-early 50s who have shown their absolute regard for "the right" of things legal.

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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2025, 06:51:53 pm »
I give to a church, and to other charities, so does that constitute a 'contract' I must be forced to continue paying?

Giving away money without the expectation of anything in return is different than the Federal Goverment contracting with an NGO to exchange Government money for the service prodivded by the NGO.  If a service has been rendered to the satisfaction of the contract, payment is due as specified by the contract.

To place a freeze to review the procurement and contract for services provided by NGO's is different.  If the i's are not dotted, and the t's are not crossed, the Government could refuse payment on the basis of improper procurement, improper contract, failure to meet the contract's specifications, or there was a violation of documented, superseding laws, regulations, rules, procedures and policies.

Now, witholding payment, subject to a succesful audit of the program or project for which the NGO was contracted, is legal but the creditor may be required or sued to provide interest and damages, if there are any.

Void the contract, if it is verifiably invalid, to legally deny, delay, or withhold due payments.

Illegal contracts cannot be enforced.

In the end, it's Congress's fault for allocating large sums without stricter conditions, controls, and accountability.

Congress, if you do not want to spend money, stop writing the checks and the IOU's.  This is why the Budget is so damned important.

Congress, get off your lazy, wimpy rumps and pass a damned budget that better safeguards taxpayers' funds.

If you just start making stuff up on the fly, the trust and faith on which the Government and the Economy function, will cause both to collapse - aka Anarchy, The Purge, or a Depression.
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Re: SCOTUS rules on nearly $2 billion in frozen USAID payments
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2025, 07:24:59 pm »
I give to a church, and to other charities, so does that constitute a 'contract' I must be forced to continue paying?

Giving away money without the expectation of anything in return is different than the Federal Goverment contracting with an NGO to exchange Government money for the service prodivded by the NGO.  If a service has been rendered to the satisfaction of the contract, payment is due as specified by the contract.

To place a freeze to review the procurement and contract for services provided by NGO's is different.  If the i's are not dotted, and the t's are not crossed, the Government could refuse payment on the basis of improper procurement, improper contract, failure to meet the contract's specifications, or there was a violation of documented, superseding laws, regulations, rules, procedures and policies.

Now, witholding payment, subject to a succesful audit of the program or project for which the NGO was contracted, is legal but the creditor may be required or sued to provide interest and damages, if there are any.

Void the contract, if it is verifiably invalid, to legally deny, delay, or withhold due payments.

Illegal contracts cannot be enforced.

In the end, it's Congress's fault for allocating large sums without stricter conditions, controls, and accountability.

Congress, if you do not want to spend money, stop writing the checks and the IOU's.  This is why the Budget is so damned important.

Congress, get off your lazy, wimpy rumps and pass a damned budget that better safeguards taxpayers' funds.

If you just start making stuff up on the fly, the trust and faith on which the Government and the Economy function, will cause both to collapse - aka Anarchy, The Purge, or a Depression.
and that's the point, we do not know enough about these 'contracts' to know whether they are as you describe

They may be simply the government decided to give to, say the Red Cross to provide relief efforts for Gazans, and not an executable contract at all.
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Re: SCOTUS rules on nearly $2 billion in frozen USAID payments
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2025, 06:31:13 am »
How do we know whether funds/services were going where they allegedly were supposed to go?
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