JUST IN: President Trump and Vice President JD Vance excoriate President Zelensky during heated meet

[Right_in_Virginia]

You do understand that the NATO alliance calls for all members to come to other members aid if attacked.

What's this got to do with Ukraine?

[Smokin Joe]

Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal

Pretty much sums it up--and how Democrats are pushing violations of the Logan Act.

I understand Z got a lot of money from the previous Administration, and have little doubt that those sums were heavily skimmed for everything from campaign funds to special interests to personal fortunes, but this is a different Administration and most of those Democrats have no more power than their mouth. Bad advice for MSM optics that can be spun against Trump and Vance, but NO ONE would have the temerity to renege on a deal so publicly with so much disrespect for not only POTUS and VPOTUS, but our Secretary of State as well.

Z, very publicly, very brazenly, crapped in his mess kit on worldwide TV, as if he was in a position to make demands.

FAFO, but the Dems get some serious credit for bad advice.

[catfish1957]

Russia must be destroyed. 

Putting those nukes on the table again?   

Just be patient....  We are well overdue for a major oil price correction.  Want to see Putin's nads in a vice?  Watch what happens to what remains of the Rouble, and his power base if oil drops down to $40/bbl.  All the power brokers know that.  It all now boils down to timing, and  /or whether this thing can be resolved before that.

Putin wants peace more than you realize.  I for one hope he hangs from a Kremlin statue  before then. 

[Wingnut]

Think so?

Polish PM Donald Tusk, speaking before his flight to London for the European Ukraine summit:
“500 million Europeans are asking 300 million Americans to defend them against 140 million Russians. [...] Europe today lacks the belief that we are truly a global force.”

Maybe Baby Z can get the EU to pony-up to fund his grift.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Think so?

Let's see how this photo changes when the EU players debate funding and arming an unwinnable war without the US.   

[Free Vulcan]

Think so?

I take your desperately grasped pic slapped up to stop the bleeding and raise you a who video at the White House where Z made a complete skater punk boi horse's ass of himself.

You have a juvenile, infantile mind I swear.

[Timber Rattler]

Someone should have thought about that in 1945.

Patton and Churchill did...

"What the hell do we care what the Russians think? Sooner or later, we're going to have to fight them anyway, Let's do it now while our army is still intact and we can kick their asses back into Russia in three months. We can do it easily with the help of the Ger­man troops we have . . . they hate the bastards.”  --General George S. Patton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLl0bGZ8GJ8

[Timber Rattler]

You have a juvenile, infantile mind I swear.

[Smokin Joe]

Someone should have thought about that in 1945.

General George S. Patton Jr. did, rather famously. Then they wrecked his staff car...

[Smokin Joe]

That one worked, thank you. As I've said, Zelenskyy screwed up. He needs to put Ukraine first and step down. He took the advice of people who want to strike at Trump and any cost.

[Timber Rattler]

General George S. Patton Jr. did, rather famously. Then they wrecked his staff car...

Yeah, its brakes mysteriously failed.

[Smokin Joe]

Trump's still negotiating--- and, it looks like he's upped the ante.  Remember, there are more players in these negotiations than bad, bad Putin and cokeazoid Zelensky.

Part and parcel of horsetrading is the ability to say "No." and walk away. 

If you can't do that, you aren't negotiating from a position of strength.

Really, you aren't negotiating at all, just waiting for the other person to set terms.

[catfish1957]

You do understand that the NATO alliance calls for all members to come to other members aid if attacked.

You are watching Europe go down that very path because there is now a void in leadership on this issue.

You better damn well be careful of what you wish for.

I provided a post yesterday that very clearly defined the differences in military, demographics, and GDP between the EU and Russia.  90+ % of those parameters showed an overwhelming advantage by the EU.  I stopped being scared of the boogey man at age 5.  I think this nation based on modern Russia's standing should do the same now.  In fact...  Even to point that Senator Lee of UT made last night...   Is it time to withdraw from NATO?  We finance almost 70% of it, and provide almost level in military support.  Seem's Z is not the only one on the grift. 

Furthremore, did you see where Norway is threatening to cut off fuel supplies to our military ships?  Great friends huh?

[catfish1957]

Part and parcel of horsetrading is the ability to say "No." and walk away. 

If you can't do that, you aren't negotiating from a position of strength.

Really, you aren't negotiating at all, just waiting for the other person to set terms.

I don't think Z-Grift is redeemable.  If there is a deal it will have to with someone else, or 3rd party.  SOB is toxic now.

[Wingnut]

General George S. Patton Jr. did, rather famously. Then they wrecked his staff car...

Seatbelts save lives.

[Timber Rattler]

Great friends huh?

Friendship is a two-way street.

 

[catfish1957]

Let's see how this photo changes when the EU players debate funding and arming an unwinnable war without the US.   

Hate to.  , but did he even change shirts?   

[Smokin Joe]

Seatbelts save lives.

Depends. In severe side impacts they have been known to cut the wearer in half. Usually, the impact would not have been survivable, anyway. Mostly, they prevent ejection in rollovers (a definite plus) and save EMS crews time finding the victims.

[Smokin Joe]

Hate to.  , but did he even change shirts?   

Probably has a bunch of them.

[catfish1957]

Probably has a bunch of them.

lol..wish I could find a meme, with him standing in front of his closet alluding that.   

[DB]

I provided a post yesterday that very clearly defined the differences in military, demographics, and GDP between the EU and Russia.  90+ % of those parameters showed an overwhelming advantage by the EU.  I stopped being scared of the boogey man at age 5.  I think this nation based on modern Russia's standing should do the same now.  In fact...  Even to point that Senator Lee of UT made last night...   Is it time to withdraw from NATO?  We finance almost 70% of it, and provide almost level in military support.  Seem's Z is not the only one on the grift. 

Furthremore, did you see where Norway is threatening to cut off fuel supplies to our military ships?  Great friends huh?

From what I can find, that 70% NATO number is completely made up. The Norway government says that isn't true. So how about we base what we go running off on with some truth? It matters.

[Free Vulcan]

Wow, your pics are like the modern day version of Neville Chamberlain's little piece of paper.

[Timber Rattler]

Wow, your pics are like the modern day version of Neville Chamberlain's little piece of paper.

Yeah, just like Trump's "little piece of paper."

[catfish1957]

From what I can find, that 70% NATO number is completely made up. The Norway government says that isn't true. So how about we base what we go running off on with some truth? It matters.

Okay...  I'll bite.  On your point.....

(1)  So the whole NATO debacle is a money pit and no one knows who, what, when, or where anything is generated or spent?
(2). These numbers, though off, might be in the ball park?
(3)  I  don't have the time or inclination to spend 30 minutes researching just exactly what that number is.  So, in your essence of calling me a liar, why don't you provide that service to us.  I am interested , since there is growing clamor to leave NATO.

[jmyrlefuller]

Let's see how this photo changes when the EU players debate funding and arming an unwinnable war without the US.   

the EU has nukes. Any war with nukes is winnable