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How much Gold is in Ft Knox?

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Biggest story of the day: Senator Rand Paul is calling for an audit on Fort Knox to ensure the 4,580 tons US gold is still there

Here’s what you were NEVER TOLD about the gold at Fort Knox

America’s Wealth, The largest fortune in the history of the world, was stolen. The Fort Knox Gold Robbery:

An article was written connecting Rockefeller Family and The Federal Reserve

3 days later the source was thrown out of a window to her death

“So just how did the story of the Fort Knox gold robbery get out? It all started with an article in a New York periodical in 1974. The article charged that the Rockefeller family was manipulating the federal reserve to sell off Fort Knox Gold at bargain basement prices to anonymous European speculators. 3 days later, the anonymous source of the story, Louise Auchincloss Boyer, mysteriously fell to her death from the window of her 10th floor apartment in New York. How would missus Boyer have known of the Rockefeller connection to the Fort Knox Gold Heist?

She was the long time secretary of Nelson Rockefeller. For the next 14 years, this man, Ed Durell, a wealthy Ohio industrialist, devoted himself to a quest for the truth concerning the Fort Knox gold. He wrote thousands of letters to over 1,000 government and banking officials trying to find out how much gold was really left and where the rest of it had gone.

Edith Roosevelt, the granddaughter of president Teddy Roosevelt, questioned the actions of the government in a March 1975 edition of the New Hampshire Sunday news.

— Unfortunately, Ed Durell never did accomplish his primary goal, a full audit of the gold reserves in Fort Knox. It's incredible that the world's greatest treasure has had little accounting or auditing. This goal belonged to the American people, not the Federal Reserve and their foreign owners.

One thing is certain, the government could blow all of this speculation away in a few days with a well publicized audit under the searing lights of media cameras. It has chosen not to do so. One must conclude that they are afraid of the truth such an audit would reveal. What is the government so afraid of? Here's the answer:

When president Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, his conservative friends urged him to study the feasibility of returning to a gold standard as the only way to curb government spending. It sounded like a reasonable alternative, so President Reagan appointed a group of men called the Gold Commission to study the situation and report back to Congress. What Reagan's Gold Commission reported back to Congress in 1982 was the following shocking revelation concerning gold. The US Treasury owned no gold at all.

All the gold that was left in Fort Knox was now owned by the Federal Reserve, a group of private bankers, as collateral against the national debt.

The truth of the matter is that never before has so much money been stolen from the hands of the general public and put into the hands of a small group of private investors, the money changers”


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With all the corruption within the gov't, and in light of the report above, gee, I'll go out on a limb here and wager "no".  In fact, I'll wager that either most of the gold or all of it has vanished.
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C'mon, Man!

Of course it is there...

...wrapped around all those tungsten bars the Clintons bought.

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4,580 tons of gold is about 400 billion dollars. Only about $1,000 of every man, woman and child in the US.

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4,580 tons of gold is about 400 billion dollars. Only about $1,000 of every man, woman and child in the US.
At today's prices, less than 1/2 ounce of gold each.
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   Now with added Poll sweetness.


   The sceptic in me says that less than half of it is there.
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No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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They should get Geraldo on it right away.

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4,580 tons of gold is about 400 billion dollars.

That would cover approximately 1% of our national debt.
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C'mon, Man!

Of course it is there...

...wrapped around all those tungsten bars the Clintons bought.

No small feat.  Can you imagine the heat needed to melt down that much tungsten into bars?
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Sen. Mike Lee:

As a U.S. senator I’ve tried repeatedly to get into Fort Knox
Fort Knox: “You can’t come to Fort Knox.”
Me: “Why?”
Fort Knox: “It’s a military installation.”
Me: “I’m a senator; I go to military bases all the time.”
Fort Knox: “You still can’t come. Because, you can’t.”
12:49 PM · Feb 17, 2025

More:

https://twitter.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1891545433232519335
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4,580 tons equates to roughly 133,600,000 troy ounces which represents approximately 2.12% of all the gold ever mined.
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Not saying it shouldn't be done...but what if it isn't there? What then? Sounds like an economy crash in the making. :shrug:

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Not saying it shouldn't be done...but what if it isn't there? What then? Sounds like an economy crash in the making. :shrug:

Heck they've kept the printing presses rolling for years.  We're no longer based on the gold standard, but not having any real gold on hand ... well, that just may be a slight embarrassment and a wee predicament.

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Heck they've kept the printing presses rolling for years.  We're no longer based on the gold standard, but not having any real gold on hand ... well, that just may be a slight embarrassment and a wee predicament.
We have tons of gold. All we need to do is lift the restrictions and mine it.
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We have tons of gold. All we need to do is lift the restrictions and mine it.

Lift the restrictions?  That's crazy talk.
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Lift the restrictions?  That's crazy talk.
Good luck getting a mining permit on the millions of acres of Federally owned land. If you do, the Enviros will lawfare you to a standstill, using grant money from the government.

https://mountainjournal.org/the-story--of-how-a-proposed-monster-mind-threatening-yellowstone-was-killed

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They should also audit the Fed's gold vaults to make sure they are not filled with IOU's scribbled on napkins.
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Fifteen years ago, during Clinton administration and his advisors Robert Rubin, Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers, about 1.5 million 400 oz. tungsten bars were manufactured by some refiner in the US which estimates about 16,000 metric tons of false gold.

Subsequently, some 640,000 of these tungsten blanks were 24kt gold plated and sold on the international market. According to US sources, the fraud estimates between 600 billion and 1 trillion US dollars.

The tungsten in the form of gold bars enters in circulation somewhere in 1991-1992 when the then President George Bush Sr. starts his multibillion Hammer project for an economic destruction of the USSR and Eastern Europe, the theft of the huge gold reserves of the USSR, destabilization of the ruble and support of the Perestroika of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.   

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I recall some mumbling about the Clinton Administration ordering tungsten bars at the time. Tungsten is incredibly close to the same density (specific gravity) as Gold, and it is difficult to tell the difference between a gold-wrapped tungsten bar and a gold bar, short of drilling a hole in it or cutting the bar open.

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1.3-15million ounces of tungsten have been dispatched from Eastern Europe to Panama and then sent by air to Mena/ Arkansas/ in the days when Bill Clinton had ran the Governor’s office, and before he has been elected as President of the USA.

From Mena, the tungsten have been shipped to be coated with gold and duly stamped. Later the bars returned to Mena for further dispatch to the vaults of Fort Knox or Panama.

At present gold reserves of all Central Banks, consist of about 30,000 tons. Some say that reserves of the FED are somewhat 7,000 tons (it might be around 2,000 only) followed by those of Bundesbank and IMF.

This means that the entire gold reserve of the West is a big fiction.

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https://strogosekretno.com/index.php?p=newsroom&nid=7405

I recall some mumbling about the Clinton Administration ordering tungsten bars at the time. Tungsten is incredibly close to the same density (specific gravity) as Gold, and it is difficult to tell the difference between a gold-wrapped tungsten bar and a gold bar, short of drilling a hole in it or cutting the bar open.

From the above link:

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I didn't know tungsten was so close to gold in specific gravity. I wonder if x-rays or some other form of radiation can detect the difference without drilling it.

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I didn't know tungsten was so close to gold in specific gravity. I wonder if x-rays or some other form of radiation can detect the difference without drilling it.
One of the problems comes from the gold sheath masking the tungsten core from x-ray detection. Drilling it is the only way to assay and detect it if the wrap job was done right.
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We wouldn't need an audit if FDR hadn't outlawed private ownership of gold.  Well maybe they would but there wouldn't be as much to check on.

FDR issued Executive Order 6102, which made gold ownership--both in coins and in bars--illegal for all Americans and punishable by up to ten years in prison. Anyone caught with gold would also have to pay a fine of twice the amount of gold that was not turned over to the Federal Reserve in exchange for paper money.  This was communism plain and simple.  FDR sucked.
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One of the problems comes from the gold sheath masking the tungsten core from x-ray detection. Drilling it is the only way to assay and detect it if the wrap job was done right.

The quickest way may be a shear with a force limit. Start cutting them in half with little lost in the process. If it hits the pressure limit, it isn't gold...

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The quickest way may be a shear with a force limit. Start cutting them in half with little lost in the process. If it hits the pressure limit, it isn't gold...
Drilling will do the job, and the drill cuttings can be recovered, smelted, or otherwise (chemically) separated from the tungsten. The holes do not have to be very large.
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