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Trump freezes aid to South Africa over controversial land law, claiming discrimination against White farmers
Published 11:08 AM EST, Sat February 8, 2025
By Eve Brennan and Alejandra Jaramillo
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US President Donald Trump signed an executive order Friday aimed at freezing assistance to South Africa over a controversial law that allows the government to seize farmland from ethnic minorities — namely White farmers — without compensation, as well as the country’s stance against Israel and its war in Gaza.

Trump said in the order the United States would no longer support South Africa with foreign aid if such policies, which he claims highlight a “shocking disregard for its citizens” and amount to “human rights violations,” continue, ordering US agencies to stop providing any aid to South Africa unless deemed necessary.

South African President Cyril Ramaphosa has previously denied that South African authorities were “confiscating land” and said his country was looking forward to working with the Trump administration “over our land reform policy.”

Trump’s order also directs the United States to assist Afrikaners — an ethnic group descended from European settlers — who are fleeing South Africa due to discrimination, including helping them resettle through refugee programs.  ...

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South Africa denies ‘confiscating land,’ after Trump threatens to cut off aid
By Jessie Yeung, CNN
Published 4:42 AM EST, Mon February 3, 2025
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South African President Cyril Ramaphosa responded on Monday to US President Donald Trump’s threat to cut off aid over the alleged mistreatment of White farmers, denying Trump’s claim that authorities were “confiscating land.”

“South Africa is a constitutional democracy that is deeply rooted in the rule of law, justice and equality. The South African government has not confiscated any land,” Ramaphosa wrote on X.

“We look forward to engaging with the Trump administration over our land reform policy and issues of bilateral interest,” he wrote. He added that, while the US was a key strategic political and trade partner, it did not provide significant funding to South Africa besides a major HIV/AIDS relief program.

His statement comes after Trump wrote on Truth Social on Sunday that he would cut off all future funding to the country until there was a full investigation into allegations that “South Africa is confiscating land, and treating certain classes of people VERY BADLY.”  ...
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The United States stands ready to help the descendants of settlers in South Africa who are being expropriated and abused by the South African government. Pursuant to President Trump’s Executive Order, the State Department is suspending all non-life saving aid to the Republic of South Africa. Persecuted South African farmers and other innocent victims being targeted solely based on their race who choose to resettle in America will be welcome. The United States will also defend the rights and interests of those remaining descendants of settlers threatened with expropriation without compensation and other intolerable abuses. We will no longer stand by while God-given rights are so cruelly violated.
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South African President's response who falsely claims that the confiscation and redistribution of farms is simply a matter of following the law:


https://twitter.com/CyrilRamaphosa/status/1886319401101910311
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And Secretary Rubio's response to the South African President:


https://twitter.com/SecRubio/status/1887288685517021298
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Ramaphosa pushed hard to have the law changed, yet now claims that he is a victim of that same law:




President Cyril Ramaphosa: 2018 State of the Nation Address

16 Feb 2018


.  .  .  This year, we will take decisive action to realise the enormous economic potential of agriculture.

We will accelerate our land redistribution programme not only to redress a grave historical injustice, but also to bring more producers into the agricultural sector and to make more land available for cultivation.

We will pursue a comprehensive approach that makes effective use of all the mechanisms at our disposal.

Guided by the resolutions of the 54th National Conference of the governing party, this approach will include the expropriation of land without compensation.

We are determined that expropriation without compensation should be implemented in a way that increases agricultural production, improves food security and ensure that the land is returned to those from whom it was taken under colonialism and apartheid.

Government will undertake a process of consultation to determine the modalities of the implementation of this resolution.

We make a special call to financial institutions in our country to be our partners in mobilising resources to accelerate the land redistribution programme as increased investment will be needed in this sector. So that we treat agriculture as a sunrise in the economy of our country  .  .  .


https://www.gov.za/news/speeches/president-cyril-ramaphosa-2018-state-nation-address-16-feb-2018
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Afrikaaner pleads with Trump that his people have the right to self-determination.

https://twitter.com/StrydomJoost/status/1888183490207793377
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« Last Edit: February 09, 2025, 01:09:01 pm by mountaineer »
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 “He’s chanting about killing farmers and farmers are actually being attacked and killed on their farms.”

https://twitter.com/OANN/status/1889151119827361899
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How to Make South Africa Ethiopia again.  Remove/kill all the white farmers.  Solid plan you got going on there Buckwheat.
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And Secretary Rubio's response to the South African President:


https://twitter.com/SecRubio/status/1887288685517021298

Good call, but will the absence of the U.S. be noted for this reason?

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I bet we would hurt South Africa even worse if we stopped buying diamonds from De Beers.
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While South African leaders dismiss claims of illegal land grabs, farms are being invaded, fences torn down, and farmers forced off their land.
They say land grabs are to correct part injustices, but in reality - it's for China ...

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1895134218700640457
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The farmers are the ones that the US should be allowing immigration instead of trains of illegals from Mexico.
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The farmers are the ones that the US should be allowing immigration instead of trains of illegals from Mexico.
Agreed they have a proven work ethic.
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How to Make South Africa Ethiopia again.  Remove/kill all the white farmers.  Solid plan you got going on there Buckwheat.
Rhodesia/Zimbabwe comes to mind.
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South Africa was sparsely populated when the Europeans arrived … as in a few hundred thousand tribesmen scattered over 500,000 square miles.  Eventually when substantial numbers of blacks moved into the country, they preferred the northeastern areas, and not the western cape where lots of whites were settling and where they operate highly productive farms to this day.  Black africans have no right to these properties or any of the commercial farms in the highveld, because it was never theirs to begin with, and they generally don’t know wtf they are doing.  To be frank, westerners destroyed the country to make themselves feel better.  The remaining farmers should consider Trump’s offer of asylum in the US.

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The whites in South Africa are doomed.
Only a matter of time.

Look what happened in Rhodesia (I'm not interested in calling it by the other name).

I sense that South African whites keep clinging to the notion that if they just give up a little more here, and then give up a little more there, and then give up still more somewhere else, that a point of equilibrium will be reached at which they can live in peace.

Not going to happen.
The blacks want them gone.
AFTER they've seized all the white wealth.
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Julius Malema, Member of the National Assembly of South Africa:  “We will expropriate land without compensation whether they [White people] like it or not. If they object, they can seek refugee in America.”

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Burn the farm, leave, let them starve.

We can always use people who know how to farm.
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Burn the farm, leave, let them starve.

We can always use people who know how to farm.
Just spit balling here: How about a one for one swap. We ship them one illegal immigrant for one of their farmers.
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Just spit balling here: How about a one for one swap. We ship them one illegal immigrant for one of their farmers.
Nah, go 10 illegals at least. Even if they might cure cancer or invent the warp drive...
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Not illegals per se, Joe.

100 Haitians (or Somalians) for each white South African.

How's that?

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Nothing to see here, folks, just move on.
The NYT assures us nothing is happening in South Africa. Trump's just lying, that's all. *****rollingeyes*****


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Does anyone GAF about SA?  Seriously.  Blacks hate whites down there.  Might as well be a muslum country.
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