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Most Unreliable American Cars
« on: February 04, 2025, 09:57:13 pm »
Worst according to Consumer Reports:

300,000 cars evaluated



Rivian worst of all then

Cadillac, especially Lyriq

GMC and Jeep tied

​VW

Tesla

Chevrolet

Volvo

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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2025, 10:11:28 pm »
Those Jeep CVT (automatic) transmissions are crap

Old one started slipping, so I replaced it ($4500), then a year later the new one starts slipping too

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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2025, 10:15:14 pm »
What do they mean, “American”?

Not a very American list.

These days the best you get is GM and Ford products.  The only you get.  Oh wait, maybe Tesla.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2025, 10:22:00 pm »
What do they mean, “American”?

Not a very American list.


Sold in America, driven in America, hello!
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2025, 10:50:37 pm »
I have had reasonably good luck with my pre-bailout (20th century) Chevrolets, and must note all vehicles seem to have their weak points. Also, an '87 dodge pickup has served me well since I bought it.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2025, 08:57:00 pm »
Sold in America, driven in America, hello!

That doesn't make them "American cars".

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2025, 09:51:55 pm »
I have seen the Consumer Reports. Looks like the most reliable cars are Japanese - mostly Subaru, Honda and Toyota.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2025, 01:09:16 pm »
I have seen the Consumer Reports. Looks like the most reliable cars are Japanese - mostly Subaru, Honda and Toyota.

Subaru, Honda and Toyota cars are made in the United States.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2025, 02:09:11 pm »
Subaru, Honda and Toyota cars are made in the United States.
Some of them.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2025, 03:47:52 pm »
Subaru, Honda and Toyota cars are made in the United States.
Don't know about Subaru or Honda, but all Toyotas are currently made in the US save the Prius, 4Runner and I think the new Crown.

Japanese quality is superb, which is one reason I researched which are made in Japan and bought a 4Runner
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2025, 04:13:22 pm »
Pinto. Worst car ever.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2025, 04:46:18 pm »
All Chryslers are total garbage. At 108,000 miles my Chryslers head gasket went south. $4200 repair. I bought the car new and change the oil every 4000 miles. Oh the intake gasket started leaking at 55k miles but it was covered under warranty.

I have friends with Toyotas and Hondas with 225-250k  miles and only had to replace brakes, batteries and tires. A neighbor has a 20 year old Toyota Corolla with 320k miles and it is still running. It is handfe me down to each kid as they get their license.

I will never again buy an American car.i.e Big 3  I only bought American Big 3 the last 20 years because I had a client that owns 10 car dealerships. I am retiring this year so  no more
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2025, 05:17:47 pm »
Pinto. Worst car ever.

In 100 years there will still be a Pinto in working condition somewhere. Can't say the same for most anything built these days.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2025, 05:25:57 pm »
Pinto. Worst car ever.

I think a Chevy Chevette would run it a close race.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2025, 06:14:53 pm »
I think a Chevy Chevette would run it a close race.

I helped my sister move from upstate New York to Salt Lake City with a Chevette and a small Uhaul trailer. When we hit the headwinds of Nebraska I had to get out and push.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2025, 06:15:50 pm »
All Chryslers are total garbage. At 108,000 miles my Chryslers head gasket went south. $4200 repair. I bought the car new and change the oil every 4000 miles. Oh the intake gasket started leaking at 55k miles but it was covered under warranty.

Individual stories are meaningless.  You have to look at some large numbers of reports.
I bought my Wife a brand new Mazda 3 which ran fine until it blew a head gasket at only 85,000 miles.  Since the repair would cost more than it was worth, I sold it for $800 to a used car dealer exactly where the engine steamed to a dead end.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2025, 07:36:40 pm »
Individual stories are meaningless.  You have to look at some large numbers of reports.
I bought my Wife a brand new Mazda 3 which ran fine until it blew a head gasket at only 85,000 miles.  Since the repair would cost more than it was worth, I sold it for $800 to a used car dealer exactly where the engine steamed to a dead end.


I learned to do cost benefit analysis on such things.

If a $6000 car needs $5000 worth of work and the replacement costs $140,000 then you do the work.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2025, 07:47:14 pm »
I think a Chevy Chevette would run it a close race.
Twenty years ago I watched in awe
As my Dad drove up the driveway.
More than proud to have a brand new family car.
Thirty miles to the gallon
0 to 60, sometimes.
I remember putting down the back seat
And lying in the hatchback.
Looking at the sky watching trees go by.
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And no FM
And no regrets
In my Chevette
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In my Chevette
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And we tried to dodge the pot holes.
He never promised us it would be a gentle ride.
He never had a problem though,
Keeping it on the narrow road.
No a.c.
And no FM
And no regrets
In my Chevette



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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2025, 07:50:32 pm »
I learned to drive (stick shift) in my parents' 1971 Pinto. We all loved that little car.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2025, 08:03:21 pm »
I think a Chevy Chevette would run it a close race.

I remember Chevettes back in my HS and college days as  being pretty tough little cars. They were super easy and cheap to fix.  A low mileage Chevette just sold for $37,000 at a Mecum auction.
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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2025, 09:55:35 pm »
I drove a Jaguar XJ for 15 years, bought new when Ford owned them.  The drivetrain was reliable, but the suspension maintenance was enough to pay for another car altogether.  One winter all four air struts went out - $1500 per corner for original equipment.  The air pump had to be replaced too.  Ball joints, control arms, tie rods, bushings were consumable parts and I must have cycled through five sets. 

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Re: Most Unreliable American Cars
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2025, 10:33:45 pm »
I learned to do cost benefit analysis on such things.

If a $6000 car needs $5000 worth of work and the replacement costs $140,000 then you do the work.
Yep. Additionally: How many miles should I get out of this repair (and the rest of thee vehicle) and how much will that cost per mile.

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