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The Post & Email by Leonard Daneman

QUESTION: Is Birthright Citizenship granted to all children born on U.S. soil controlled by ‘common law,’ or ‘statutes and the constitution.’

Do you recall the advertising for CERTS, ‘Is it a Breath Mint, or a Candy Mint?’ This is the sort of question that vexes the United States after President Trump ordered no Birthright Citizenship for children of illegal aliens. The ACLU has already filed a complaint and the issue will be heard by the judiciary. The case will reopen the debate of whether the 14th Amendment’s ‘born in the United States’ clause is all inclusive to  children born on U.S. soil, or whether it was only granting civil rights and citizenship to freed slaves.

What is at risk is whether the Supreme Court will socially engineer the law, following Justice Hugh’s hubris of, “the Constitution is what the judges say it means . . .” Or, will the court rely on the original intent of the 14th Amendment and its legislative history, and explanation of the amendment’s actual authors during ratification hearings.

“Today, the determination of national status in most parts of the world, as for the Virginia colonists in 1606, is a matter of positive law-either statutory or constitutional. But Calvin’s Case began a three-century period in which the rule determining citizenship in the English-speaking world, a rule based on place of birth, was self-consciously the product of judicial decisions.” ‘Natural Law and Birthright Citizenship in Calvin’s Case (1608)’ Polly J. Price,[1] Yale Journal of Law & the Humanities Vol.9: 73, 77

The cited law review juxtaposes the history of ‘common law’ or judicial determination of jus soli, ‘place of birth,’ against the statutory or constitutional jus sanguinis ‘right of blood,’ i.e., sanguinity from one parent, usually the father.[2]

In the United States and Britain (contrary to Price’s erroneous analysis), their models of citizenship in 1790 and 1772 statutes respectively were strictly jus sanguinis. United States nationality law only departed from this in 1866 and 1869, reverting to jus soli, but only as a resort to cure the fact that freed slaves had fathers without nationality to confer by sanguinity. Without any possible natural succession of allegiance from the father, the 1866 Civil Rights Act and the 14th Amendment resorted to ‘born in the United States,’ on the condition that the father had no subjection to any foreign power, i.e., ‘under the jurisdiction thereof.’ These conditions were both statutory and constitutional, not determined by any common law.[3]

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But American Indians were not made American Citizens until 1924. They were subject to another jurisdiction, namely that of their respective Nations (Tribes), and only those who had served in the Armed Forces were considered for citizenship before that.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/on-this-day-in-1924-all-indians-made-united-states-citizens

If those whose ancestors had been physically within the borders of the United States (as their Tribal carve-outs were) for thousands of years didn't automatically become US citizens, then there is no way anyone would have been considered a citizen just because they made it across some line before they were born--and even after the Act, they had been born to citizens of the US and their respective Tribes.
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Get this issue in front of TODAY's Supreme Court.

Let them decide, one way -- or the other.

It won't be settled, and it won't become "actionable upon..." until that's been done.

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Get this issue in front of TODAY's Supreme Court.

Let them decide, one way -- or the other.

It won't be settled, and it won't become "actionable upon..." until that's been done.

Exactly.  This must be a SCOTUS decision.  With Roberts siding against Trump during his first administration, I don't have a whole lot of hope that this is going to end well.

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Times change.

180 years ago, slavery was not only acceptable, it was institutional.  Now the thought invokes horror.

Same with birth right citizenship.  What seemed like a good idea when the country was rapidly growing, is now dead wrong.  Especially when you have so many gaming the process.  And that there have been 27 instances of adjustment that have been done.

I  think immigration reform, should be a directive of the 28th
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