‘We Dug It, We Own It’ ~ Greenfield

[Kamaji]

Ukraine has always been, and remains, a hub of global corruption masquerading as a country.  Don't take my word for this, just ask Hunter.

All the warmongers are doing is feeding their own corruption and killing off an entire generation of Ukrainian men in the process.  Another proud moment for them.

Just like I said.  Someone get the shovels out, 'cause the perpetrator isn't going to clean up after herself.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Just like I said.  Someone get the shovels out, 'cause the perpetrator isn't going to clean up after herself.

This is a good place for us to bring this thread back to topic @Kamaji  .... the Panama Canal.  If you want to debate Ukraine policy, there are several existing threads from which you can do this. Feel free to ping me with your new location.

[Kamaji]

This is a good place for us to bring this thread back to topic @Kamaji  .... the Panama Canal.  If you want to debate Ukraine policy, there are several existing threads from which you can do this. Feel free to ping me with your new location.

There is no debating with a liar, and that is what you have proved yourself to be on the Ukraine-specific threads, and no doubt you will do so here, as well.  So yes, bringing up the fact that you are, at bottom, a liar, is quite apropos.

[Timber Rattler]

Ukraine has always been, and remains, a hub of global corruption masquerading as a country.  Don't take my word for this, just ask Hunter.

All the warmongers are doing is feeding their own corruption and killing off an entire generation of Ukrainian men in the process.  Another proud moment for them.

Utter nonsense.

[jafo2010]

Former President Carter is not noted for anything positive, except forcing foreign auto manufacturers to build plants in the USA.

In regard to the Panama Canal, there is an issue here.  Yes, we signed control of the canal over to the Panama nation, but like every agreement, there are strings attached.  Apparently, with Panama turning over the port on either side of the canal over to the CCP/China, they may have violated some of those strings.  With the CCP control of the canal, US shipping company rates have skyrocketed.  So, they are balking about.

Our POS current POTUS, a puppet of the CCP, has clearly stood by and done nothing.  They own him and his entire family, and the fact our government has done nothing to address the carpet bagger Biden Crime Family, nor the abuse being leveled against the US shipping companies finally has gotten the attention of someone that can do something about it.

Bottomline, it is essential to extricate the CCP/China out of our hemisphere.  China has a huge grip on South America and Africa while the USA leaders were asleep at the wheel. 

The canal is a matter of national security.  If we end in war with China, not being able to use the canal would be a huge loss for national security and our military's ability to operate effectively.  Panama has to recognize they do NOT have the freedom to allow CCP/China to have any influence over the canal, and if it requires us to seize the canal back, then we seize it. 

Frankly, we as a nation have been utterly stupid in our approach to China.  We claim they are our number one threat, our top would be enemy, and yet we have 400,000+  Chinese nationals attending our universities.  We have through Wrecking Ball Joe allowed 10,000+ per month Chinese nationals, almost exclusively military age men to cross our border illegally.  If that isn't the dumbest thing I have seen in years, I don't know what is.

How many Chinese nationals does it take on USA shores to seize this nation?  I NEVER hear anyone ask this question or address the would be threat.  It is real, and we need to get smart about it.  Every monthly lately there is a news story referencing Chinese nationals, who are university students, attempting to gain entrance on our military bases by attempting to sneak on the base.   Is our worthless FBI  removing these people from the USA?  Or attempting to find who else is involved with these people?  I doubt it.  They have been more concerned about parents being riled up at school board meetings across America.  Ugggh!

The intentional weakening of the USA by the criminally negligently Biden Idiocracy has done untold damage on this nation.  Like the damage done by the Obama Idiocracy, I doubt the people of this nation will ever fully understand what was done.

[corbe]

   All this Panama/Chinese collaboration really heated up during Trump first term.  What did he do then??????

China’s Influence in Panama Under Scrutiny After Trump Issues Warning Over Canal

Panamanian President Jose Raul Mulino responded by saying ‘every square meter of the Panama Canal’ belongs to Panama.

<..snip..>

In June 2017, Panama severed diplomatic ties with Taiwan, a self-governing island that the CCP claims to be a part of its territory. The decision drew criticism from Taiwan’s foreign ministry, which accused Varela of succumbing to economic pressure from Beijing.

Five months later, Panama became the first Latin American country to join the CCP’s controversial Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), a global infrastructure strategy that critics have said puts developing countries into “debt traps” with the regime.
A consortium consisting of Chinese state-owned companies was awarded a $1.42 billion contract under the BRI to build a fourth bridge over the Panama Canal in 2018, according to China’s state-run media.

In December 2018, during an overseas trip, CCP leader Xi Jinping met Varela in Panama. The two leaders signed several trade, infrastructure, banking, education, and tourism cooperation agreements.
Chinese tech giant Huawei, whose communications equipment has been banned in the United States on national security grounds, established a regional distribution center in the Colón Free Trade Zone at the Atlantic entrance of the canal in 2015.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/china/chinas-influence-in-panama-under-scrutiny-after-trump-issues-warning-over-canal-5780918

[Fishrrman]

jafo shouts:
"How many Chinese nationals does it take on USA shores to seize this nation?  I NEVER hear anyone ask this question or address the would be threat."

For years in this forum, I have been posting:
"bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act".

There really was such a thing, once.
I'm aware of the implications that would be raised against it (discrimination, etc.).
No matter to me.
Bring it back.
I BELIEVE IN the concept of "discrimination".

Sorry if you don't like this post.

[libertybele]

Former President Carter is not noted for anything positive, except forcing foreign auto manufacturers to build plants in the USA.

In regard to the Panama Canal, there is an issue here.  Yes, we signed control of the canal over to the Panama nation, but like every agreement, there are strings attached.  Apparently, with Panama turning over the port on either side of the canal over to the CCP/China, they may have violated some of those strings.  With the CCP control of the canal, US shipping company rates have skyrocketed.  So, they are balking about.

Our POS current POTUS, a puppet of the CCP, has clearly stood by and done nothing.  They own him and his entire family, and the fact our government has done nothing to address the carpet bagger Biden Crime Family, nor the abuse being leveled against the US shipping companies finally has gotten the attention of someone that can do something about it.

Bottomline, it is essential to extricate the CCP/China out of our hemisphere.  China has a huge grip on South America and Africa while the USA leaders were asleep at the wheel. 

The canal is a matter of national security.  If we end in war with China, not being able to use the canal would be a huge loss for national security and our military's ability to operate effectively.  Panama has to recognize they do NOT have the freedom to allow CCP/China to have any influence over the canal, and if it requires us to seize the canal back, then we seize it. 

Frankly, we as a nation have been utterly stupid in our approach to China.  We claim they are our number one threat, our top would be enemy, and yet we have 400,000+  Chinese nationals attending our universities.  We have through Wrecking Ball Joe allowed 10,000+ per month Chinese nationals, almost exclusively military age men to cross our border illegally.  If that isn't the dumbest thing I have seen in years, I don't know what is.

How many Chinese nationals does it take on USA shores to seize this nation?  I NEVER hear anyone ask this question or address the would be threat.  It is real, and we need to get smart about it.  Every monthly lately there is a news story referencing Chinese nationals, who are university students, attempting to gain entrance on our military bases by attempting to sneak on the base.   Is our worthless FBI  removing these people from the USA?  Or attempting to find who else is involved with these people?  I doubt it.  They have been more concerned about parents being riled up at school board meetings across America.  Ugggh!

The intentional weakening of the USA by the criminally negligently Biden Idiocracy has done untold damage on this nation.  Like the damage done by the Obama Idiocracy, I doubt the people of this nation will ever fully understand what was done.

Your statement in bold letters is absolutely right and should be a significant concern for all.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

That would morally basically align us with Russia. Yeah, no thanks.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Ukraine has always been, and remains, a hub of global corruption masquerading as a country.  Don't take my word for this, just ask Hunter.

All the warmongers are doing is feeding their own corruption and killing off an entire generation of Ukrainian men in the process.  Another proud moment for them.

I disagree. They were a sovereign nation invaded by a thuggish kleptocracy, headed by a madman, standing basically alone for basic freedoms in the region.

[Kamaji]

I disagree. They were a sovereign nation invaded by a thuggish kleptocracy, headed by a madman, standing basically alone for basic freedoms in the region.

Indeed.  Ukraine, warts and all, is willing to stand for freedom in a way that all too many Americans are not.

[libertybele]

I disagree. They were a sovereign nation invaded by a thuggish kleptocracy, headed by a madman, standing basically alone for basic freedoms in the region.

I don't want to further derail this thread, but the Russo-Ukraine war(wars) has been going on for decades -- I believe there's a whole timeline and history posted in the Ukraine thread. Several years back during Trump's presidency before his first impeachment, IIRC I posted a video/timeline which was researched by Glenn Beck which connected the dots between our gov't and Ukraine.

[berdie]

Indeed.  Ukraine, warts and all, is willing to stand for freedom in a way that all too many Americans are not.

Agreed. Ukraine was ruled by Russia by proxy for many years. That tells me all I need to know. I don't think that is the case any longer...or there would be no war.

[jafo2010]

Putin is the modern day Adolph Hitler.  His war of aggression against Ukraine is his effort to restore what was once the USSR.  Once done with Ukraine, he would move forward to absorb other nation states that were once part of the USSR.  And I think he would go after the satellite nations like Poland too if not for their membership of NATO.

Clearly, Russia is a paper tiger, and I do not see him attacking any NATO nation states during the balance of his tenure as leader of Russia.  Plus, how many hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers need die before the Russian people rise up wishing to put his head on the nearest post?  or drag his worthless *ss through the streets like Muammar Gaddafi in Libya?

[Right_in_Virginia]

There is no debating with a liar, and that is what you have proved yourself to be on the Ukraine-specific threads, and no doubt you will do so here, as well.  So yes, bringing up the fact that you are, at bottom, a liar, is quite apropos.

I'm not a liar @Kamaji  ---- but, I expect you will continue to call me one.  At this point, it's painfully obvious you're too ignorant to understand you're wrong.

[MeganC]

Ukraine has always been, and remains, a hub of global corruption masquerading as a country.  Don't take my word for this, just ask Hunter.

All the warmongers are doing is feeding their own corruption and killing off an entire generation of Ukrainian men in the process.  Another proud moment for them.

Ukraine was dominated by the coughsucking Russians for 340 years and now has been facing armed invasion by those rotten bastards for over ten years.

Living under the Russian bootheel and Russian/Soviet corruption left a mark on the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians were working to correct the lingering legacy and influence of the Russian criminals by accomplishing the reforms necessary for membership in the EU and NATO.

That rat bastard dime-store Napoleon in Moscow couldn't stand the idea of yet another former Soviet slave state becoming a prosperous and civilized country.

See, the worst thing about the Ukrainians working to end Russian corruption is that the Russian people might get some bright ideas about ending Russian corruption in Russia. Case in point: Alexei Navalny.

Can't have honesty and integrity around criminal scum like Putin and the cabal that dominates Russia. Nope, that won't set well with the crowd who loves their mega mansions, private jets, and super yachts.

You know that Putin's superyacht costs more money to fuel than 100 average Russian families live on all year? It takes a lot of criminal behavior to fuel a single superyacht.

And that's the kind of crap the Ukrainians are trying to free themselves from.

[MeganC]

Putin is the modern day Adolph Hitler. 

Please don't insult Adolf Hitler. Thank you.