Thoughts About Health Care and the Murder of Brian Thmpson

[Julius Agricola]

I'm nit sure if this topic belongs here, so forgive me if it is in the wrong place.

I had some random thoughts about the Brian Thompson murder and health insurance.

1. It is despicable that people are praising the assassin who killed Brian Thompson.  I refuse to state the killer's name.  Not only is this filth being praised, but somebody started a Gofundme for this vile creature.

2. The murder of Brian Thompson isn't going to change the way UnitedHealthcare does business.  They will get a new CEO, and it will probably be business as usual.

3. I understand the frustration people have with health insurance companies.  My premiums and co-pays have gone up, and I to deal with claim denials, but to kill over it is reprehensible and evil.  One can always dump their healthcare, and try facing the world without it.  Granted it would be next to impossible, but there are choices.  Or, we could try a single pay government system like Canada, but that would be worse.

4. Healthcare is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT.  I realize Obama Care messed things up, but nobody is obligated by the Constitution to provide health insurance.  Not even the government is obligated to provide health insurance, although they should be considering they take a large chunk of my money in taxes.  The money I spend on income taxes could be used to get a better health insurance plan.  It is funny how I render unto "Caesar" what is "Caesar's", but the return is high taxes,  being on the brink of WWIII, etc..

Sorry, I digressed a bit, but thank God we only have a short time before Trump is officially back in office.

[MeganC]

"Healthcare is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT."

If you pay for health insurance then you have a right to promised coverage and the insurance company is wrong to deny it.

[Bigun]

Healthcare is a service. The only people involved should be the consumer and the provider(s).

[DefiantMassRINO]

Healthcare is a privilege when someone else needs it.

Healthcare becomes a service when you pay for it.

Healthcare becomes a right when you or a loved one needs it.

The US Constitution makes no obligation of helping our fellow man, but our faith does.

Government is not meant to be a replacement for God or godliness.  Government is what we need to fix roads; faith is what we need to fix souls and lives.

Letting people die in the streets when we have the ability, and possibly the moral obligation, to help them is not very Christian.

We've eradicated polio, smallpox, and scarlet fever not because the US Constitution required us to, but because our faith and humanity is a higher calling than law.

Law is the minimum or lowest common denominator of a society.  Faith and humanity, at times, demand that we go above and beyond man's laws.

[The_Reader_David]

Actually, health care is a natural right in the same sense that freedom of the press and the right to keep and bear arms are natural rights, even though it was not enumerated as such in the Constitution, probably because the Founders could not conceive of a government denying people the right.

None of these rights create a claim on the resources of one's fellow citizens to exercise them.  My right to keep and bear arms does not create a claim on the public purse to provide me with an AR-15 and ammunition or on a gunsmith for his services if I cannot pay for them.  My right to freedom of the press does not create a claim on the public purse for ink, paper and use of a printing press, or compel ISPs to provide me with free webhosting  So the right to health care neither creates a claim on my fellow citizens to pay for it on my behalf nor compels physicians or other health care providers to treat me without being paid for their services.

In fact, a great deal of the government's involvement in health care represents an infringement of the natural right to seek and provide for oneself remedies for one's injuries and diseases, as they forbid seeking treatments deemed experimental or involving psychoactive substances, compel one to find a physician to prescribe medications (when the natural right would allow one to obtain them to treat one's own ailments), or, contrarywise, compel one to take experimental treatments (e.g. mRNA COVID vaccines).

[berdie]

I have not read, at this point, if the shooter was denied coverage. All I have read is that he had back surgery, which can often be iffy. I'm not sure what his beef was with United Health. And if he had one why he thought murdering the CFO was the answer.

[MeganC]

Actually, health care is a natural right in the same sense that freedom of the press and the right to keep and bear arms are natural rights, even though it was not enumerated as such in the Constitution, probably because the Founders could not conceive of a government denying people the right.

None of these rights create a claim on the resources of one's fellow citizens to exercise them.  My right to keep and bear arms does not create a claim on the public purse to provide me with an AR-15 and ammunition or on a gunsmith for his services if I cannot pay for them.  My right to freedom of the press does not create a claim on the public purse for ink, paper and use of a printing press, or compel ISPs to provide me with free webhosting  So the right to health care neither creates a claim on my fellow citizens to pay for it on my behalf nor compels physicians or other health care providers to treat me without being paid for their services.

In fact, a great deal of the government's involvement in health care represents an infringement of the natural right to seek and provide for oneself remedies for one's injuries and diseases, as they forbid seeking treatments deemed experimental or involving psychoactive substances, compel one to find a physician to prescribe medications (when the natural right would allow one to obtain them to treat one's own ailments), or, contrarywise, compel one to take experimental treatments (e.g. mRNA COVID vaccines).

Well said!

And to reinforce my prior post if you pay health insurance premiums then you have a right to promised coverage. You've prepaid for the service.

[Cyber Liberty]

The murderer was not even a client of UnitedHealhcare.

[ChemEngrMBA]

Businesses operate under rules set forth in agreements for compensation for their services.
Who here thinks it is "fair" for someone who is morbidly obese, smokes, drinks, has never exercised in their life and is recently diagnosed with cancer or some other terminal disease to sign up this month and be treated at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars annually while paying $500 a month premium? 

Illegals by the millions don't even carry health insurance and the Leftist Idiots want them to get free health coverage, paid for by you suckers who think this is a "right."

[Julius Agricola]

Thanks for the replies.  I agree if you pay for healthcare then the insurance company should provide the necessary services.  My point about privilege and right was meant more toward nobody in the private sector has to offer health insurance.  It is incumbent upon us to find out own healthcare.  I also agree whole heartedly as Christians we need to help others in need when sick or injured.  I am sorry for the rambling, but my main point is a lot of people are unsatisfied with the health insurance industry (me included), but what are we as a society going to do about it? 

[Kamaji]

"Healthcare is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT."

If you pay for health insurance then you have a right to promised coverage and the insurance company is wrong to deny it.

You don’t have a contractual right to have an invalid or excluded claim covered.  Read your policy carefully first before you go whinging on about denied claims.

[GtHawk]

Businesses operate under rules set forth in agreements for compensation for their services.
Who here thinks it is "fair" for someone who is morbidly obese, smokes, drinks, has never exercised in their life and is recently diagnosed with cancer or some other terminal disease to sign up this month and be treated at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars annually while paying $500 a month premium? 

Illegals by the millions don't even carry health insurance and the Leftist Idiots want them to get free health coverage, paid for by you suckers who think this is a "right."

Illegals already get free healthcare and have for many years, the claptrap about it being illegal for them to get government services is just Bullshiite, many hospitals are running in the red or smaller ones shut down because of all the illegals that flood the ER’s but never pay a stinking penny. I left one medical group because over the years they made it very clear that they were more inter in caring for Hispanics , mostly il legals getting free MediCal, than some old White dude.

[MeganC]

You don’t have a contractual right to have an invalid or excluded claim covered.  Read your policy carefully first before you go whinging on about denied claims.

Try responding to what I wrote, thank you. Just in case you missed it here it is again:

If you pay for health insurance then you have a right to promised coverage and the insurance company is wrong to deny it.

If the health care company denies promised coverage then they're in the wrong.

[Kamaji]

Try responding to what I wrote, thank you. Just in case you missed it here it is again:

If you pay for health insurance then you have a right to promised coverage and the insurance company is wrong to deny it.

If the health care company denies promised coverage then they're in the wrong.

Prove the company denied a valid claim.  No, it doesn’t happen all the time.  What happens is people make claims that are not valid, but which they wish were valid, and then get their panties in a twist because their invalid claim got denied. 


People need to read their effing contracts more carefully and understand exactly what they’re entitled to under the contract and need to stop assuming that just because their doctor said they needed it that it was a valid claim. 

[Hoodat]

If you pay for health insurance then you have a right to promised coverage and the insurance company is wrong to deny it.

That is contract law - not a fundamental right.