Report: White House Lawyers Studying Preemptive Pardon for Mark Milley

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Report: White House Lawyers Studying Preemptive Pardon for Mark Milley

Wendell Husebo 6 Dec 2024

White House lawyers are studying preemptive pardons that President Joe Biden has discussed with senior aides, according to multiple establishment media reports.

Democrat and media allies have urged Biden in the last several weeks to pardon many of his comrades, including Mark Milley, Christopher Wray, Justice Department lawyers, Joe Biden himself, the whole Biden family, Liz Cheney, Mark Milley, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, and Adam Kinzinger, among others.

Receiving a preemptive pardon would indicate an admission of guilt, although some Democrats claim a preemptive pardon would only be intended to block President-elect Donald Trump from cleaning up Washington.

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https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/12/06/reports-white-house-lawyers-studying-preemptive-pardons-for-allies-including-mark-milley/

[Bigun]

Section 2


The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

U. S. Constitution, Article II

Where does it say that he (the president) can issue pardons for offences not yet charged?

[Hoodat]

Where does it say that he (the president) can issue pardons for offences not yet charged?

Or charges not yet named?  If Milley broke the law, we should at least be told what action he is being pardoned for.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The more he pardons, the less presidential this guy is.

He has usurped Jimmy Carter as the worst president in history.

Now Jimmy can rest-inpeace when he soon meets his Maker.

[Hoodat]

The more he pardons, the less presidential this guy is.

He has usurped Jimmy Carter as the worst president in history.

Now Jimmy can rest-inpeace when he soon meets his Maker.

Worse than Carter.  Worse than Obama.  Worse than Wilson.   Worse than Fillmore.  Worse than Pierce.  Worse than Buchanan.  The worst ever.

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U. S. Constitution, Article II

Where does it say that he (the president) can issue pardons for offences not yet charged?

I have never heard of a "JUST IN CASE" pardon anywhere in history or in the world in general until a few days ago.
This is a brand new legal contrivance invented by guilty as hell scared Democrats. They want no accountability for their obvious crimes.

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[Ghost Bear]

I have never heard of a "JUST IN CASE" pardon anywhere in history or in the world in general until a few days ago.
This is a brand new legal contrivance invented by guilty as hell scared Democrats. They want no accountability for their obvious crimes.

It's happened at least three times in U.S. history: 1) Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon, before Nixon had been charged with any crime; 2) Jimmy Carter pardoned Vietnam draft-dodgers, many of whom had not yet been charged since they had fled the country; 3) George H.W. Bush pardoned Caspar Weinberger, who had been charged with crimes related to the Iran-Contra affair, but who had not yet gone to trial (and therefore, not yet found guilty).

[Bigun]

It's happened at least three times in U.S. history: 1) Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon, before Nixon had been charged with any crime; 2) Jimmy Carter pardoned Vietnam draft-dodgers, many of whom had not yet been charged since they had fled the country; 3) George H.W. Bush pardoned Caspar Weinberger, who had been charged with crimes related to the Iran-Contra affair, but who had not yet gone to trial (and therefore, not yet found guilty).

And no record of any injured party filing suit against those preemptive pardons. Did it happen and I just missed it somehow?

And BTW: This notion of "Standing" is also an invention of 20th century progressive era courts. (They decided that they didn't want to be bothered by suits filed by the great unwashed.)

WE need to stop assuming that everything the elites do is legal because that is clearly untrue.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Watch Joe Biden pre-emptively pardon all illegals who have entered the US.

He will do it in order to destroy this country and tell Trump to GTH

[Hoodat]

Watch Joe Biden pre-emptively pardon all illegals who have entered the US.

Even if he does that today, they will still. subject to deportation tomorrow.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Even if he does that today, they will still. subject to deportation tomorrow.

Then he can preemptively pardon all future illegals.

BTW, there is no end to the tyrant's power until he is forcibly taken down by the people.

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It's happened at least three times in U.S. history: 1) Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon, before Nixon had been charged with any crime; 2) Jimmy Carter pardoned Vietnam draft-dodgers, many of whom had not yet been charged since they had fled the country; 3) George H.W. Bush pardoned Caspar Weinberger, who had been charged with crimes related to the Iran-Contra affair, but who had not yet gone to trial (and therefore, not yet found guilty).

Nixon was a President of the United States under investigation from several agencies and facing charges.
Vietnam draft-dodgers were facing criminal charges.
Weinberger was facing charges.

@Ghost Bear
Biden is talking about pardoning ordinary people who are not POTUS and are not being investigated, and have not been charged with anything. These are friends of his, people who may 'possibly' come under investigation at sometime in the future for one reason or another.

This has never been done before. This is legally defined as 'immunity'. It is not a pardon.

POTUS does not have the power to legally grant blanket immunity covering unknown decades just out of hand to any individual he choses. This is a completely different thing than a pardon. This is a new use of the power to pardon, a twisted definition of a pardon, which is being invented by the Biden Administration.

[Kamaji]

Watch Joe Biden pre-emptively pardon all illegals who have entered the US.

He will do it in order to destroy this country and tell Trump to GTH

Except that, unless he can pardon for offenses that have not yet taken place, he cannot pardon them for future criminality, and illegal presence in the U.S. is a continuing violation, with each new day of presence being a separate crime.

[Bigun]

Except that, unless he can pardon for offenses that have not yet taken place, he cannot pardon them for future criminality, and illegal presence in the U.S. is a continuing violation, with each new day of presence being a separate crime.

I believe he just did that for his son. As I read it, Hunter can go out and rob ten banks between now and the end of the month and face no criminal liability. What did I miss? @Kamaji

[Kamaji]

I believe he just did that for his son. As I read it, Hunter can go out and rob ten banks between now and the end of the month and face no criminal liability. What did I miss? @Kamaji

I rather doubt that would be effective.

[Bigun]

I rather doubt that would be effective.

I would certainly hope it wouldn't!

[Smokin Joe]

I believe he just did that for his son. As I read it, Hunter can go out and rob ten banks between now and the end of the month and face no criminal liability. What did I miss? @Kamaji

I guess the guard would just have to kill him during the botched robbery.  Even daddy can't undo that.

[Ghost Bear]

And no record of any injured party filing suit against those preemptive pardons. Did it happen and I just missed it somehow?

And BTW: This notion of "Standing" is also an invention of 20th century progressive era courts. (They decided that they didn't want to be bothered by suits filed by the great unwashed.)

WE need to stop assuming that everything the elites do is legal because that is clearly untrue.

I am not a lawyer, and I don't care enough to dig into the history of Presidential pardons in order to figure out all of the intricacies. I will say though, that apparently there is a long history of law and custom regarding Presidential pardons.  I pointed out three instances where a Presidential pardon was granted to people who had not been convicted of any crime, and the pardon was accepted as valid and legal. There may have been other, earlier instances of this happening, I don't know.

I'll add that the Democrat congress which was investigating Nixon, and certainly was eager enough to put him in prison, accepted the legality of Ford's pardon to the point that they dropped all investigations of Nixon, since they believed the pardon would prevent Nixon from ever seeing any jail time. In other words, those Democrats accepted the pre-emptive pardon as legal and valid, and if anyone would have objected I'm sure it would have been them. 

[Ghost Bear]

Nixon was a President of the United States under investigation from several agencies and facing charges.
Vietnam draft-dodgers were facing criminal charges.
Weinberger was facing charges.

@Ghost Bear
Biden is talking about pardoning ordinary people who are not POTUS and are not being investigated, and have not been charged with anything. These are friends of his, people who may 'possibly' come under investigation at sometime in the future for one reason or another.

This has never been done before. This is legally defined as 'immunity'. It is not a pardon.

POTUS does not have the power to legally grant blanket immunity covering unknown decades just out of hand to any individual he choses. This is a completely different thing than a pardon. This is a new use of the power to pardon, a twisted definition of a pardon, which is being invented by the Biden Administration.

I am not a lawyer. I pointed out three cases where a Presidential pardon was given to people who had not been convicted of any crime. It just happened that those three had happened during my lifetime, so I was aware of them. I haven't done any research into the granting of Presidential pardons to know whether or not anything similar happened at any time previously in U.S. history. Have you?

We know that several of the people mentioned as possible recipients of a Presidential pardon are suspected of crimes: Fauci, for instance, lied to Congress regarding "gain of function" research. Millie possibly violated the UCMJ by refusing legal Presidential orders. Pelosi, Wray, and some others may have been involved in a conspiracy to allow the events of Jan. 6 to happen. None of the people mentioned are "ordinary", they are all people in positions of power who have been investigated by Congressional committees, which is how everything related to Watergate was found out, so you can't claim that isn't a real investigation.

By the way, on doing some reading about Nixon's pardon, I found out that for the pardon to be valid it has to be accepted by the recipient, and apparently the Supreme Court has held in the past that acceptance of a Presidental pardon amounts to an admission of guilt, so that's something. Also, since they can't be convicted of any crime they have been pardoned for, they can be compelled to testify in court. They have no claim of Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination, since by accepting the pardon they have already admitted guilt and can't be punished for it.

But I repeat, I'm not a lawyer, I'm just repeating stuff I've read online.

[Smokin Joe]

I am not a lawyer. I pointed out three cases where a Presidential pardon was given to people who had not been convicted of any crime. It just happened that those three had happened during my lifetime, so I was aware of them. I haven't done any research into the granting of Presidential pardons to know whether or not anything similar happened at any time previously in U.S. history. Have you?

We know that several of the people mentioned as possible recipients of a Presidential pardon are suspected of crimes: Fauci, for instance, lied to Congress regarding "gain of function" research. Millie possibly violated the UCMJ by refusing legal Presidential orders. Pelosi, Wray, and some others may have been involved in a conspiracy to allow the events of Jan. 6 to happen. None of the people mentioned are "ordinary", they are all people in positions of power who have been investigated by Congressional committees, which is how everything related to Watergate was found out, so you can't claim that isn't a real investigation.

By the way, on doing some reading about Nixon's pardon, I found out that for the pardon to be valid it has to be accepted by the recipient, and apparently the Supreme Court has held in the past that acceptance of a Presidental pardon amounts to an admission of guilt, so that's something. Also, since they can't be convicted of any crime they have been pardoned for, they can be compelled to testify in court. They have no claim of Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination, since by accepting the pardon they have already admitted guilt and can't be punished for it.

But I repeat, I'm not a lawyer, I'm just repeating stuff I've read online.

If anyone were to pursue the activities of the Biden family with even a fraction of the vigor that Nixon and Agnew were pursued, they'd all be making little rocks out of big ones at Leavenworth for the rest of their lives.

[Bigun]

If anyone were to pursue the activities of the Biden family with even a fraction of the vigor that Nixon and Agnew were pursued, they'd all be making little rocks out of big ones at Leavenworth for the rest of their lives.

 

[Ghost Bear]

If anyone were to pursue the activities of the Biden family with even a fraction of the vigor that Nixon and Agnew were pursued, they'd all be making little rocks out of big ones at Leavenworth for the rest of their lives.

I 100% agree with you. And guess what, now that Hunter has been given a blanket pardon, he can be hauled before a Congressional committee or Federal grand jury and forced to testify all about his activities during the time period covered by the pardon. He can't claim Fifth Amendment protection, because he can't be prosecuted for any of it. If he refuses to testify, he can be charged with obstruction of justice and thrown in jail for it, since it's a new crime not covered by the pardon.

There are lots of lower-level people who participated in and helped facilitate these criminal activities, who will never get a pardon from Biden. If a prosecutor or investigator wanted to, they could really make use of Hunter's pardon to clean up a lot of crooks in Washington. The question is, is there anyone in Washington who wants to clean it up? 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

In other words, those Democrats accepted the pre-emptive pardon as legal and valid, and if anyone would have objected I'm sure it would have been them. 

This is not your Momma's Democrat party.

This is a party made of such anti-American bigots that they voted unanimously in the Senate to not accept a law which barred non-citizens from voting.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Watch Joe Biden pre-emptively pardon all illegals who have entered the US.

He will do it in order to destroy this country and tell Trump to GTH

and there it is spoken

President Biden Should Issue a Blanket Pardon of Undocumented Immigrants
The Nation
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/pardon-undocumented-immigrants/