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Big Pharma Still Won't Admit Covid Shot's Deadly Side Effects
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On Thursday, Joe Rogan and Marvel megastar Josh Brolin traded stories about the preponderance of Covid vaccine injuries among their friends. Brolin even described contracting “a mild case of Bell’s Palsy” earlier this year, which Rogan attributed to the vaccine, noting he knew several people who suffered facial paralysis following Covid vaccination.

There is no perfect medicine. The benefits and harms of any treatment must be carefully considered in order to prescribe the safest, most effective course of action for a patient. While the FDA and CDC continue to extol the benefits of the Covid vaccines, they have ignored a growing body of evidence that these products can also be harmful. The code of medical ethics demands a transparent and balanced accounting of their impact on the American people. Only then can we set the best course for healthcare policy and future pandemics.

An honest accounting begins with clinical trials, supposedly “the most rigorous in history.” Pfizer’s own legal arguments suggest otherwise. Responding to a whistleblower lawsuit alleging major deviations from protocol, Pfizer’s lawyers noted that the company’s “Other Transactions Authority” agreement (OTA) with the Pentagon didn’t require clinical trials to comply with FDA regulations because the vaccine was a military prototype for “medical countermeasures.” This agreement allowed Pfizer to “grade its own homework,” so to speak — a point emphasized by DOJ lawyers in a separate filing in Pfizer’s support.

The FDA intended to keep Pfizer’s data hidden for 75 years, but attorney Aaron Siri’s FOIA lawsuit forced the agency to release them. Naomi Wolf’s DailyClout led 3,250 volunteer experts in analyzing more than 450,000 pages of internal Pfizer documents and uncovered massive harms ignored by the FDA, detailed in The Pfizer Papers: Pfizer’s Crimes Against Humanity.

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More than 230 million Americans are fully vaccinated. If The Covid Shot there are 4, but anti-Covid-vaxxers don't care about facts is as deadly as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, where are the hundreds of thousands or millions of dead bodies of those who died of Vaccine Injury.

This picture vastly exaggerates reality, but





Random stray thought for those who mock people who get Covid boosters, why are there people alive to receive boosters?

As for the apparent claim that Pfizer's vaccine was not tested, from the Untested Trump Vaccine? thread:

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March 16, 2020 - Pfizer announced partnership to develop BioNTech’s mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer_and_biontech_to_co_develop_potential_covid_19_vaccine

April 17, 2020 - NIH announced a public-private partnership with leading biopharmaceutical companies to speed up the development of coronavirus vaccines and therapies; https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-launch-public-private-partnership-speed-covid-19-vaccine-treatment-options

April 22, 2020 - Pfizer and BioNTech announced approval to begin Phase I/II trial of BioNTech’s COVID-19 vaccines in Germany; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/biontech_and_pfizer_announce_regulatory_approval_from_german_authority_paul_ehrlich_institut_to_commence_first_clinical_trial_of_covid_19_vaccine_candidates

April 29, 2020 - Pfizer and BioNTech announced that the first cohort of BioNTech’s Phase I/II clinical trial has been dosed; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/biontech-and-pfizer-announce-completion-dosing-first-cohort

May 5, 2020 - Pfizer and BioNTech announced that the first participants have been dosed in the US in the Phase I/II clinical trial; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer_and_biontech_dose_first_participants_in_the_u_s_as_part_of_global_covid_19_mrna_vaccine_development_program

July 13, 2020 - Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech announced that two of the companies’ COVID-19 vaccine candidates received Fast Track designation from the US FDA; both are currently undergoing Phase 1/2 clinical studies; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-granted-fda-fast-track-designation-two

July 20, 2020 - BioNTech and Pfizer announced initial data from their Phase I/II trial showed the COVID-19 vaccine produced both antibodies and T-cells in patients; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-early-positive-update-german

July 22, 2020 - Pfizer and BioNTech announced an agreement with the US HHS Department and the DoD under Operation Warp Speed to begin delivering 300 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine in 2021, with the US government receiving 100 million doses of the vaccine; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600 , https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-22/pfizer-biontech-receive-u-s-order-for-covid-vaccine , https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/07/22/us-government-engages-pfizer-produce-millions-doses-covid-19-vaccine.html

July 27, 2020 - Pfizer and BioNTech announced the start of a global Phase II/III clinical study of its COVID-19 vaccine, which will include up to 30,000 participants; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-choose-lead-mrna-vaccine-candidate-0

August 12, 2020 - Pfizer and BioNTech announced that they have submitted an amended protocol to the FDA to expand the enrollment of their Phase III COVID-19 vaccine trial to up to approximately 44,000 participants, allowing for the enrollment of new populations; the company expects to reach its initial target of up to 30,000 participants next week; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-propose-expansion-pivotal-covid-19

November 9, 2020 -  Pfizer and BioNTech announced their mRNA-based SARS-CoV-2 vaccine has demonstrated evidence of efficacy against COVID-19; the first interim efficacy analysis conducted by an external, independent Data Monitoring Committee concluded that the vaccine efficacy rate was above 90% at 7 days after the second dose; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against

November 18, 2020 - Pfizer and BioNTech announced that, after conducting the final efficacy analysis in their ongoing Phase 3 study, their COVID-19 vaccine candidate met all of the study’s primary efficacy endpoints; analysis of the data indicates a vaccine efficacy rate of 95% (p<0.0001) in participants without prior SARS-CoV-2 infection;  the companies also announced that the safety milestone required by the FDA for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) has been achieved; Pfizer and BioNTech plan to submit a request within days for an EUA; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

November 20, 2020 - Pfizer and BioNTech announced they will submit a request today to the FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of their SARS-CoV-2 vaccine candidate, which will potentially enable use of the vaccine in high-risk populations in the US by mid-late December 2020; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-submit-emergency-use-authorization

November 20, 2020 - The FDA has scheduled a meeting of its Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee on December 10 to discuss the request for EUA of a COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech; https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-announces-advisory-committee-meeting-discuss-covid-19-vaccine

December 10, 2020 -  Pfizer and BioNTech announced that the US FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee voted 17 to 4 in support of the FDA granting Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the companies’ COVID-19 vaccine; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-receive-fda-advisory-committee-vote

December 11, 2020 - The FDA granted Emergency Use Authorization to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine; https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-takes-key-action-fight-against-covid-19-issuing-emergency-use-authorization-first-covid-19 ; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-celebrate-historic-first-authorization

December 23, 2020 - Pfizer and BioNTech announced an agreement with the U.S. government to supply an additional 100 million doses of the companies’ COVID-19 Vaccine from production facilities in the US; as in the original July 2020 agreement, $1.95 billion will be paid for the additional doses; https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-supply-us-100-million-additional-doses , https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/12/23/trump-administration-purchases-additional-100-million-doses-covid-19-investigational-vaccine-pfizer.html

The TL;DR version of the above:

Pfizer Phase 1/2 start, April 29, 2020: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/biontech-and-pfizer-announce-completion-dosing-first-cohort
Pfizer Phase 2/3 start, July 27, 2020: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-choose-lead-mrna-vaccine-candidate-0
Pfizer Phase 1/2 data posted July 1, 2020: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.30.20142570v1 ; https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.30.20142570v1.full.pdf
Pfizer Phase 3 data published December 10, 2020 in NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
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I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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We're just supposed to shut up and believe Pfizer's press releases?

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I got this Fall's Covid-19 and Flu booster shots.  My testicles are not swollen nor magnetic.

If you don't want to get the shot, don't.  But don't take away my ability to choose.
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I got this Fall's Covid-19 and Flu booster shots.  My testicles are not swollen nor magnetic.

If you don't want to get the shot, don't.  But don't take away my ability to choose.
I think that’s the whole issue, choice. Many people were not just given a choice, I wouldn’t have had any but my son pretty much blackmailed me or I wouldn’t be able to see my granddaughter. So yes, choice is the operative word. And sorry but I can’t help but wonder how much my wife being five or six times vaxxed had o do with the gastro disorder tat was at the start of all my wife’s current medical situation.


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We're just supposed to shut up and believe Pfizer's press releases?

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Your well-poisoning failed because of

Pfizer Phase 1/2 data posted July 1, 2020: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.30.20142570v1 ; https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.30.20142570v1.full.pdf
Pfizer Phase 3 data published December 10, 2020 in NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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I got this Fall's Covid-19 and Flu booster shots.  My testicles are not swollen nor magnetic.

If you don't want to get the shot, don't.  But don't take away my ability to choose.
Well, I would posit that the "intent" of all the provocation, blackmail, etc. about the shots, was to take away your ability to choose. Only you would be goaded into the "choice". The intentional misinformation and lying guided many into taking what well may be an unnecessary shot, ergo, an unnecessary risk with their health. When additional information was withheld, alternate treatment options ("horsepaste") vilified and banned, doctors threatened with losing their medical licenses, peoples livelihoods threatened, etc., etc., the outcome was predestined.

The ability to make a well informed decision was denied. "Get the shot or else!"
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The ability to make a well informed decision was denied. "Get the shot or else!"
I have to laugh at people who deride those who were told, "Get the shot or lose your job."

"Well, they had a choice. They didn't have to get the shot."

Really? How were they to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table if they told their employers no, I'm "choosing" not to be vaccinated?
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The forced shot by the Biden Administration was criminal, and they should be made to answer for it.  They violated the Constitution from my view.

And yes, there is a major coverup taking place on the illness and death occurring throughout the world as a result of the vaccines for COVID.  You will not hear the truth any time soon.  It falls into that category of the JFK assassination.  The people just will not be able to handle the truth, so they can wait until hell freezes before they hear the truth.

We are talking about experimental drugs, which were not tested according to the established protocols of the FDA. Every person in the FDA should be terminated day one of Trump taking office.  Dr Anthony Mengele Fauci should be indicted for mass genocide.  There are many that need to answer for the deaths from the vaccines. 

I went out on the CDC site, they once had the number of deaths from vaccines.  I could not find it today.  Why?  Because the damn numbers are in the stratosphere, that is why.

Again, the FDA normally withdraws a vaccine with 25 - 50 deaths.  The COVID vaccines death rate is in the hundreds of thousands.  It is not a small number.  The last number I saw published, 2-3 years ago was around 8,000, which was only for those day 15 and beyond, did not include anyone day 1 - 14.  People are dying.  Cancer rates are increasing.

Cancer has remained somewhat constant for a long time.  For the numbers to be increasing, what could be the cause?  Too many unicorns?  Naw, damn COVID vaccines, which virologists made it plainly clear, the mRNA vaccines destroys the body's natural immune system.

Those of you wanting to deny it, go ahead.  Those of you wanting to get the shot each year, THAT IS YOUR CHOICE FOR YOUR BODY.  Good luck with that.
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I have to laugh at people who deride those who were told, "Get the shot or lose your job."

"Well, they had a choice. They didn't have to get the shot."

Really? How were they to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table if they told their employers no, I'm "choosing" not to be vaccinated?
A conflicting dilemma for sure...both "choices" came with potential consequences. The whole affair was one of the most unethical violation of human rights ever foisted upon a purportedly "free" nation in the modern era. Even with the Nuremberg Code, borne out of the tragedy of WWII, we allowed ourselves to be tricked into "voluntarily" becoming test subjects. The power of propaganda cannot be overstated. Our governments reached back into history and dusted off Goebbels' old artifacts to use against us. I have nothing but contempt for anyone as you describe but especially reserved for those in positions of authority who used it as a club.
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I have to laugh at people who deride those who were told, "Get the shot or lose your job."

"Well, they had a choice. They didn't have to get the shot."

Really? How were they to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table if they told their employers no, I'm "choosing" not to be vaccinated?

Yes, very unethical. Not far from saying taxes are optional. You don't have to pay, just don't earn any money or own anything. Your choice...

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Your well-poisoning failed because of

Pfizer Phase 1/2 data posted July 1, 2020: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.30.20142570v1 ; https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.30.20142570v1.full.pdf
Pfizer Phase 3 data published December 10, 2020 in NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577


Not poisoning the well, just testing the water.

As I have said multiple times, and here is yet another link, the adverse effects were not the same for all lots of the jabs. Have a nice delusion, but thank God every night yours came from one of the good batches.

https://www.scribd.com/document/536172726/1-5174909702999376684
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I think that’s the whole issue, choice. Many people were not just given a choice, I wouldn’t have had any but my son pretty much blackmailed me or I wouldn’t be able to see my granddaughter. So yes, choice is the operative word. And sorry but I can’t help but wonder how much my wife being five or six times vaxxed had o do with the gastro disorder tat was at the start of all my wife’s current medical situation.

Don't be sorry, IMHO I think being vaxxed has had a lot to do with her health situation. I am sorry to hear she is still having problems.  They've come up with a term "Long Covid" for those who haven't recovered or continue to experience symptoms. 

There is very little doubt in my mind that the vaccines attack or at least alters one's natural immune system. Most of us would have been fine allowing our natural immune system to ward off the virus. 

As far as your son blackmailing you in order to see your granddaughter..... what we don't do for our kids or grandkids out of pure love.

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One of my best friends lost his youngest son to long COVID.  He ended up with psychosis, was hospitalized for 12 days and released.  Neither the doctor nor the hospital warned him if he tried to wean himself from the strong drugs they prescribed, it would make him suicidal.  He was tired of being extremely drowsy, so he started to wean himself from the pharma.  He ended up killing himself.  He was never the type you would think could do such a thing.

Again, I blame f***ing Dr Anthony Mengele Fauci for his death.  He funded the research, he I am sure orchestrated its planned release.  This evil MFer is still out there living high when he should have been indicted, convicted and dispatched for mass genocide.

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Pfizer whistleblower @IamBrookJackson bravely went to the FDA & DOJ in 2020 with enough credible evidence of fraud to shut it down & demand an immediate investigation—instead the FDA & DOJ did nothing & asked a judge to seal the case while the fraudulent trials continued and billions of lives were impacted.

The fraud discovered by a Kansas research team is unsurprising given the knowledge of the trials Jackson oversaw in Texas.

It’s no wonder trust by the public in our health & justice agencies is at an all time low. They let every American down by not doing the job the American tax payers pay them to do.

Massive government reform is coming & long overdue.
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Story: Pfizer Accused of Hiding Deaths in COVID-19 Vaccine Trials, Including ‘Subject 11141050’ in Kansas, Team Research Alleges.
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* >230 million Americans have been fully vaccinated. If "The Covid Shot" is as deadly as anti-Covid-vaxxers want to believe, where are the hundreds of thousands or millions of vaccine-injured dead bodies? No effects means no cause.

* Why do anti-Covid-vaxxers keep saying "The Vaccine" or "The Covid Shot" as if there is only one Covid vaccine? Four Covid vaccines have been used in the US, that use three very different vaccine technologies. Would acknowledging these facts complicate what anti-Covid-vaxxers want to believe?
I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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* >230 million Americans have been fully vaccinated. If "The Covid Shot" is as deadly as anti-Covid-vaxxers want to believe, where are the hundreds of thousands or millions of vaccine-injured dead bodies? No effects means no cause.

* Why do anti-Covid-vaxxers keep saying "The Vaccine" or "The Covid Shot" as if there is only one Covid vaccine? Four Covid vaccines have been used in the US, that use three very different vaccine technologies. Would acknowledging these facts complicate what anti-Covid-vaxxers want to believe?

If you would listen, there are thousands if not millions of people who say they were seriously harmed by the shot. Developed serious problem shortly after taking the shot. But you just blow them off.

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If you would listen, there are thousands if not millions of people who say they were seriously harmed by the shot. Developed serious problem shortly after taking the shot. But you just blow them off.

I'm not beating a straw man. It is anti-Covid-vaxxers, not me, who call "The Vaccine" "deadly". See, for example the title of this thread. Your post, on the other hand, is a straw man argument, an attempt to divert the discussion from the simple fact that the four Covid vaccines are not deadly. I'm not taking your straw-man bait.
I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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I'm not beating a straw man. It is anti-Covid-vaxxers, not me, who call "The Vaccine" "deadly". See, for example the title of this thread. Your post, on the other hand, is a straw man argument, an attempt to divert the discussion from the simple fact that the four Covid vaccines are not deadly. I'm not taking your straw-man bait.
How many died before the Swine Flu vaccine program was shut down?

32

How much did the risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome increase by?

1 case in 100,000 people.

Make what arguments you will, but this has far exceeded those numbers for serious (as in life threatening or shortening) side effects.
For what? It does not stop people from catching the disease, does not stop them from transmitting it, and does not prevent death.

At some point the cost benefit analysis just does not work, unless you are a Phama company raking in billions of taxpayer dollars to continue to administer it and the boosters.
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"trust big pharma"..."trust the government"..."because I didn't die the jabs are safe"...derp
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I'm not beating a straw man. It is anti-Covid-vaxxers, not me, who call "The Vaccine" "deadly". See, for example the title of this thread. Your post, on the other hand, is a straw man argument, an attempt to divert the discussion from the simple fact that the four Covid vaccines are not deadly. I'm not taking your straw-man bait.

I generally avoid this kind of thread because they are VERY personal for me and get my blood pressure up. You can take all the vaccines you like @PeteS in CA but they are a firm NO in my case because I KNOW firsthand what they have done.
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As most of us have said, if you want to get a Covid vax, go for it. No one is trying to stop you.
I have friends and acquaintances who have developed tinnitus, blood clots, brain tumors and more after getting one, though, so it's fair to say I'm hesitant - and should have the right to say no.
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And yet you post or agree with claims such as that in the Thread title - how is that not an accusation of murder? And then there's threads cheering the possibility of Covid vaccines being forcibly taken off the market. How is that tolerating people's choices to receive a Covid vaccine? Stop the posturing pretense.

Search my posts since January 2020 when work on Covid vaccines began. You will find, if you make the effort, that I have never supported vaccine mandates. For all the blather in the posts above, I have actually supported people's choices, in the face of ludicrous claims that "The Vaccine" is deadly and advocacy of taking away choices from people by forcing Covid vaccines off the market.
I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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I remember when the definition of vaccine included immunity being conferred upon the recipient.

One 'contribution' COVID made to the lexicon was the removal of "immunity" from that definition as a requirement, which is why I refuse to refer to the COVID shots as vaccines. They do not confer immunity.

Changing the definition does not change the facts.

Sadly, this fraud continues.
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