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Why The War On Nitrous Oxide?
« on: Thursday, Nov 14, 2024 09:18 am »
Why The War On Nitrous Oxide?
November 14, 2024
tags: farming, N2O
By Paul Homewood

 

 

As I reported the other day, farmers are up in arms about the new tax on imported fertilisers, which will result from the carbon border adjustment mechanism, an import tax on carbon-intensive products:

 

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/09/budget-fertiliser-tax-raise-food-prices-warn-farmers/

 

Although this new tax could potentially impact all goods from countries such as China, which are not cutting emissions, it is clear that fertilisers are also targeted under Net Zero plans for the nitrous oxide ( N2O) they emit. This is a potent GHG.

However such small amounts are emitted and in the atmosphere that they will make virtually no difference to global warming, as Happer et al explained a couple of years ago:

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While its impact of N2O as a GHG is miniscule, the ban on imported fertilisers in 2021 in Sri Lanka had a devastating impact, cutting cereal output by 35%:

 https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2024/11/14/why-the-war-on-nitrous-oxide/
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Re: Why The War On Nitrous Oxide?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday, Nov 14, 2024 09:19 am »
To paraphrase an ex-president, "because they can." :whistle:
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Re: Why The War On Nitrous Oxide?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday, Nov 14, 2024 12:32 pm »
I thought N2O is laughing gas?
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Re: Why The War On Nitrous Oxide?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday, Nov 14, 2024 02:28 pm »
I thought N2O is laughing gas?
Apparently it is also a byproduct of the process to make nitrogen based fertilizers, and to quote Officer Toody “Ooh! Ooh!” It’s and even greater greenhouse gas threat than CO2.

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Re: Why The War On Nitrous Oxide?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday, Nov 14, 2024 02:39 pm »
I thought N2O is laughing gas?
It is, (N2O), but it also adds a lot of horsepower for limited time with an ICE, properly tuned and set up. https://www.amazon.com/Predator-Performance-MicroBurst-Nitrous-Injection/dp/B01L4E3E5S
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Re: Why The War On Nitrous Oxide?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday, Nov 14, 2024 02:49 pm »
Apparently it is also a byproduct of the process to make nitrogen based fertilizers, and to quote Officer Toody “Ooh! Ooh!” It’s and even greater greenhouse gas threat than CO2.

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No doubt about it. But maybe we'll all die laughing.

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Re: Why The War On Nitrous Oxide?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday, Nov 14, 2024 05:18 pm »
Apparently it is also a byproduct of the process to make nitrogen based fertilizers, and to quote Officer Toody “Ooh! Ooh!” It’s and even greater greenhouse gas threat than CO2.

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So is water vapor.  So what are we gonna do about that? 
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Re: Why The War On Nitrous Oxide?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday, Nov 14, 2024 05:42 pm »
IIRC, Nitrous oxides were of concern back when smog was a problem. Generally, that happened in urban areas with restricted circulation local weather systems. IIRC, L.A. was famous for their Smog, as was NYC, and a few other major urban areas. Those of us out in flyover farm country tend to not have that problem, and if the concerns being raised are over fertilizer, it's a non issue here.
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Re: Why The War On Nitrous Oxide?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday, Nov 14, 2024 06:11 pm »
IIRC, Nitrous oxides were of concern back when smog was a problem. Generally, that happened in urban areas with restricted circulation local weather systems. IIRC, L.A. was famous for their Smog, as was NYC, and a few other major urban areas. Those of us out in flyover farm country tend to not have that problem, and if the concerns being raised are over fertilizer, it's a non issue here.
Live in a city, get an EV to keep smog down. 

Don't make the rest of us have to worry about smog when we've never had it nor every will.
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Re: Why The War On Nitrous Oxide?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday, Nov 14, 2024 06:41 pm »
I thought N2O is laughing gas?

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Re: Why The War On Nitrous Oxide?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday, Nov 14, 2024 09:24 pm »