Trump names Musk and Vivek DOGE

[Bigun]

I was afraid they'd just skimmed Trump's announcement and completely missed the words.

But, I see your point @Bigun 

 

[corbe]

   I think Elon's just a ruse, doesn't he have enough to do already?

 

   Vivek is a CIA Cover.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1856526811057795082

[DB]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1856526811057795082

That did end with the operation burnt to the ground...

[corbe]

[Timber Rattler]

Did you read the whole paragraph?

Yeah, and it means nothing.  The incoming Congress, even a Republican one, is NOT going to create a whole new cabinet department.  Period.

[mountaineer]

Vivek Ramaswamy
@VivekGRamaswamy
And yes, this means I’m withdrawing myself from consideration for the pending Senate appointment in Ohio. Whoever Governor DeWine appoints to JD’s seat has some big shoes to fill. I will help them however I can.
8:47 PM · Nov 12, 2024

Elon Musk
@elonmusk
All actions of the Department of Government Efficiency will be posted online for maximum transparency.
Anytime the public thinks we are cutting something important or not cutting something wasteful, just let us know!
We will also have a leaderboard for most insanely dumb spending of your tax dollars. This will be both extremely tragic and extremely entertaining 🤣🤣
9:13 PM · Nov 12, 2024

[Kamaji]

Whatever they name it, it will be merely advisory to the president and anything it does will be without the force of law, meaning that Trump will have to take additional steps, in accordance with administrative law, to implement their proposals. 

Last time around, Trump demonstrated that he was woefully unprepared to handle admin law issues; let’s hope he’s learned the necessary lessons for this time around, otherwise this will be nothing more than a barrel full of fish for the democrats to shoot at. 

[Timber Rattler]

Last time around, Trump demonstrated that he was woefully unprepared to handle admin law issues; let’s hope he’s learned the necessary lessons for this time around, otherwise this will be nothing more than a barrel full of fish for the democrats to shoot at.

Exactly right!

And it's been done before, with the Hoover Commission:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Commission

That's how we got the Department of Education, via Eisenhower's executive order.

[The_Reader_David]

Is this for real?  He does know that it takes an act of Congress to  create new cabinet-level departments, right?  And isn't he supposed to be cutting government instead of creating new bureaucracies?

It's for real, because in spite of the name, it will be an advisory body, not a government agency.  (Of course, there is also the precedent of Jimmy Carter creating the Department of Education by executive order.)  As for a seat in the cabinet, chiefs-of-staff and the like get a seat there without either a department to run or Senate confirmation, so if Trump wants Musk and/or Ramaswamy in the room from time to time at cabinet meetings that's his prerogative.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Exactly right!

And it's been done before, with the Hoover Commission:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Commission

That's how we got the Department of Education, via Eisenhower's executive order.

Untrue.   https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/opinion-the-u-s-department-of-education-at-25-a-history-remembered/2004/10

I believe instead you are talking about the Office of Education when it was not a department.   Same goes on the history of the EPA under Nixon.

[verga]

Exactly right!

And it's been done before, with the Hoover Commission:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Commission

That's how we got the Department of Education, via Eisenhower's executive order.

I believe that Carter created the one we have now in 1979

[catfish1957]

I can't contain my excitement with DOGE (see my screen shot). Very best government initiative I have seen in my life.

Go Trump...  Go Vivek....  Go Musk

[catfish1957]

Is this for real?  He does know that it takes an act of Congress to  create new cabinet-level departments, right?  And isn't he supposed to be cutting government instead of creating new bureaucracies?

I was one of the hatchet men in company reorganizations back in the late '90's early '00's.  Like in business, you have to create a committee  or task force to get the resources in to (1) Evaluate (2) Analyze data (3) Make Recommendations (4) Execute action plan.

Trump and Musk the business men, will view DOGE as a relatively short term initiative to ax government waste.  And IMO....   In the non-defense areas....   it can be chopped 75-85%, and we won't even notice.

[DefiantMassRINO]

I thought the General Accountability Administration was supposed to be doing that job.  There's one Federal department we can eliminate.

[catfish1957]

Whatever they name it, it will be merely advisory to the president and anything it does will be without the force of law, meaning that Trump will have to take additional steps, in accordance with administrative law, to implement their proposals. 

Last time around, Trump demonstrated that he was woefully unprepared to handle admin law issues; let’s hope he’s learned the necessary lessons for this time around, otherwise this will be nothing more than a barrel full of fish for the democrats to shoot at.

Trump in all forms and fashion will be the analogous to a National CEO.  As long as he has Congressional backing, I think this will move forward, with the biggest obstacle the Unions in the Government. (AFGE).   But I say.....  Cut 'em off at the knees.

[Bigun]

I believe that Carter created the one we have now in 1979

He did! As payback for the teacher unions that got him elected.

[catfish1957]

I thought the General Accountability Administration was supposed to be doing that job.  There's one Federal department we can eliminate.

And my favorite?   The arm of that section that does cost benefit analysis of all new and revised regulations.  Talk about a bunch of Pecks.

[Bigun]

I was one of the hatchet men in company reorganizations back in the late '90's early '00's.  Like in business, you have to create a committee  or task force to get the resources in to (1) Evaluate (2) Analyze data (3) Make Recommendations (4) Execute action plan.

Trump and Musk the business men, will view DOGE as a relatively short term initiative to ax government waste.  And IMO....   In the non-defense areas....   it can be chopped 75-85%, and we won't even notice.

 

[dfwgator]

And my favorite?   The arm of that section that does cost benefit analysis of all new and revised regulations.  Talk about a bunch of Pecks.

Is this true?

[catfish1957]

Is this true?

Yes....   At the end of every Federal Register (bet I read a 100,000 pages in my work career) proposed reg, is a Regulatory Impact Assessment, which me and my colleagues would laugh at, on a ongoing basis. Assessment would view economic impact, and other impacts of alternatives.  Total bullshit exercise. 

[verga]

  And IMO....   In the non-defense areas....   it can be chopped 75-85%, and we won't even notice.

[mystery-ak]

What we know about the Department of Government Efficiency
By
Brady Knox
November 13, 2024 1:06 pm
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During President-elect Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, he and Tesla CEO Elon Musk repeatedly floated the idea of a Musk-run Department of Government Efficiency.

The acronym DOGE is a purposeful nod to Musk’s vocal love of memes.



Where did the idea come from?

According to Trump’s transition team co-chairman Howard Lutnick, he was the first to propose the Department of Government Efficiency to Musk, purposefully catering to the acronym for Musk’s amusement. The prospect amused the South African billionaire, leading to Trump quickly adopting it.

Doge is one of the internet’s most popular memes, based on the real-life Shiba Inu dog Kabosu. The meme has garnered a real-life impact, with software designers creating the Dogecoin cryptocurrency. According to Coin Gecko, the cryptocurrency is valued at a market cap of over $60.5 billion. Its value shot up after Trump’s election.



How will DOGE work?

Trump laid out the purpose and function of DOGE in a Tuesday statement.

Trump tasked Musk and Ramaswamy to “dismantle Government Bureaucracy, slash excess regulations, cut wasteful expenditures, and restructure Federal Agencies — Essential to the ‘Save America’ Movement.”

“This will send shockwaves through the system and anyone involved in Government waste, which is a lot of people!” Musk was quoted as saying.

Trump went so far as to call DOGE the “‘Manhattan Project’ of our time.”

According to the president-elect, the department will work outside of government, but working in close coordination with the White House and the Office of Management and Budget. He said it would institute large-scale structural reform with its entrepreneurial approach to government.

Finally, Trump gave a cut-off date of July 4, 2026, for the agency to accomplish its goals, “the perfect gift to America on the 250th Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence.”

Musk promised “maximum transparency in his new role.”

“Anytime the public thinks we are cutting something important or not cutting something wasteful, just let us know!” he said.

Musk added that the department would have a “leaderboard for most insanely dumb spending of your tax dollars. This will be both extremely tragic and extremely entertaining.”

more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/3228342/department-of-government-efficiency-what-to-know/

[mystery-ak]

Elizabeth Warren gets sarcastic after Trump taps Musk, Ramaswamy for DOGE: 'Yeah, this seems REALLY efficient'
Warren has also claimed that Pete Hegseth, Trump's pick for Defense secretary, 'is not qualified' for the role
 By Alex Nitzberg Fox News
Published November 13, 2024 8:57am EST

After President-elect Trump announced that Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will lead the Department of Government Efficiency, an effort to root out government waste, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., criticized Trump's decision, suggesting he had tapped two people to execute the job of one person.

"The Office of Government Efficiency is off to a great start with split leadership: two people to do the work of one person," Warren said in a post on X, sarcastically adding, "Yeah, this seems REALLY efficient."

Musk and Ramaswamy "will pave the way for my Administration to dismantle Government Bureaucracy, slash excess regulations, cut wasteful expenditures, and restructure Federal Agencies," Trump said in a statement.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-gets-sarcastic-after-trump-taps-musk-ramaswamy-doge-yeah-seems-really-efficient

[mountaineer]

Vivek Ramaswamy
@VivekGRamaswamy
Here’s a key point about our mission at DOGE: eliminating bureaucratic regulations isn’t a mere policy preference. It’s a legal *mandate* from the U.S. Supreme Court:

- West Virginia v. EPA (2022) held that agencies cannot decide major questions of economic or political significance without "clear congressional authorization." This applies to *thousands* of rules that never passed Congress.

- In Loper Bright v. Raimondo (2024), the Court ended Chevron deference, which means agencies can't foist their own interpretations of the law onto the American people. Over 18,000 federal cases cited the Chevron doctrine, often to uphold regulations, many of which are now null & void.

- In SEC v. Jarkesy (2024), SCOTUS restricted the use of "administrative law judges" by agencies. The same agency that wrote the rules shouldn't be able to prosecute citizens in “courts” that it controls.

- In Corner Post v. Board of Governors (2024), the Court held that new businesses can challenge old regulations, greatly expanding the statute of limitations & opening many more rules up for scrutiny. So we shouldn't just look at rules passed in the last 4 years, but over the past 4 decades (or more).

DOGE is ready help the U.S. government conform to the U.S. Constitution once again. @elonmusk and I are ready to serve. 🇺🇸
10:48 AM · Nov 13, 2024