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Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« on: November 07, 2024, 07:30:29 pm »
Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
David Weigel
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07 November 2024

On Wednesday afternoon, as Kamala Harris conceded the presidential election, Democrats confronted the idea that a short progressive era had come and gone.

In Ohio and Montana, two populist Democratic senators who’d always defied gravity succumbed to it. In California, voters ousted two reform prosecutors in deep blue counties – Los Angeles and Alameda – while recalling Oakland’s progressive and scandal-plagued mayor. Arizonans voted to allow local police to enforce immigration law; New Yorkers were on track to reject a new city diversity officer.

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https://www.semafor.com/article/11/06/2024/democrats-ask-why-didnt-anything-work
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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2024, 07:31:14 pm »
Now, Casey in Pennsylvania has taken the fall.
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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2024, 07:32:14 pm »
Now, Casey in Pennsylvania has taken the fall.

Is there a link @Lando Lincoln
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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2024, 07:44:03 pm »
Is there a link @Lando Lincoln

Republican Dave McCormick defeats incumbent Bob Casey in Pennsylvania Senate race

Ursula Perano  |  11/07/2024  |  04:15 PM EST


Republican Dave McCormick defeated incumbent Democratic Sen. Bob Casey in Pennsylvania’s Senate race, The Associated Press projected, marking the 53rd Senate seat Republicans have captured in winning back the majority.

Pennsylvania saw one of the most expensive Senate races in the country this cycle — and McCormick had early backing from national Republican operatives during the state’s GOP primaries. But Casey has deep ties in Pennsylvania, a state where the Senate race played out alongside huge focus from presidential candidates.

Casey has held his seat since 2007. His father was the governor of Pennsylvania for two terms between the 80s and 90s.  .  .  .

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/07/dave-mccormick-wins-pennsylvania-senate-00188197
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2024, 08:13:07 pm »
Thanks! It says Casey is still refusing to concede.

Crazy isn’t it?  He was very vocal about the 2020 “election deniers”.
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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2024, 07:33:29 am »
Twitter thread: It would benefit Democrats greatly to ponder how they got from Bill Clinton’s 1992 map to this week’s, not that they’ll actually do that. I’ll tell them anyway.

https://twitter.com/PitmasterMark69/status/1854705043603075096
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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2024, 08:12:12 am »
Democrats were in a tough spot this year.
All the Democrats were running using the Trump platform. However, real committed Democrats did not want to vote for a Trump clone. And Republicans did not want to vote for a last hour convert who is a Democrat. They could not win either way. They were screwed either way.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2024, 08:16:45 am »
Twitter thread: It would benefit Democrats greatly to ponder how they got from Bill Clinton’s 1992 map to this week’s, not that they’ll actually do that. I’ll tell them anyway.

https://twitter.com/PitmasterMark69/status/1854705043603075096

Great thread @mountaineer I watched it all happen and can confirm the truth of it although it actually started in 1964.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2024, 08:20:57 am »
Twitter thread: It would benefit Democrats greatly to ponder how they got from Bill Clinton’s 1992 map to this week’s, not that they’ll actually do that. I’ll tell them anyway.

https://twitter.com/PitmasterMark69/status/1854705043603075096

Great post @mountaineer.  It sure is a dramatic contrast.

Love him or not, Newt Gingrich played a vital role in reversing the trend to red.
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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2024, 08:40:51 am »
Great thread @mountaineer I watched it all happen and can confirm the truth of it although it actually started in 1964.

LBJ: “I’ll have “them” voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2024, 08:47:22 am »
LBJ: “I’ll have “them” voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”

Yep! He was a completely racist man who simply moved them from one plantation to another and large numbers are finally beginning to see that judging by this years election results.
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2024, 09:33:44 am »
Why didn't anything work?  We've had 12 years of the Obama-Biden-Pelosi radical agenda, and we don't like it.
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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2024, 12:03:14 pm »
Great post @mountaineer.  It sure is a dramatic contrast.

Love him or not, Newt Gingrich played a vital role in reversing the trend to red.

Great point!

Gingrich never gets enough credit.
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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2024, 12:05:37 pm »
Yep! He was a completelyy racist man who simply moved them from one plantation to another and large numbers are finally beginning to see that judging by this years election results.

If the Pubs really want to be the middle class party they are going to have to do big things quickly. School Choice vouchers for all Americans would be a good move.
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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2024, 12:55:04 pm »
I don’t think the leadership of the D party will be settled for some time, especially during the raging blame game. They will be spending the next months exiling and banishing those who get splashed with blame. Once that is done, who knows what landscape the party leaders will be looking at. For them, politically, it will be quite bleak.
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2024, 12:59:01 pm »
I don’t think the leadership of the D party will be settled for some time, especially during the raging blame game. They will be spending the next months exiling and banishing those who get splashed with blame. Once that is done, who knows what landscape the party leaders will be looking at. For them, politically, it will be quite bleak.

That has already started @Lando Lincoln .



https://twitter.com/MattRinaldiTX/status/1854920255644008929
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2024, 01:07:41 pm »
I don't think the coastal elite limousine liberal Dems give a damn if they ever win again, as long megadonors keep shoveling billions of dollar their way, and they get to throw private exclusive wine and cheese parties.

If Dem leadership cared about winning, they would have started making changes after the 2016 Election.

Dems don't serve people; they serve an ideology.
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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2024, 01:09:40 pm »
I don't think the coastal elite limousine liberal Dems give a damn if they ever win again, as long megadonors keep shoveling billions of dollar their way, and they get to throw private exclusive wine and cheese parties.

If Dem leadership cared about winning, they would have started making changes after the 2016 Election.

Dems don't serve people; they serve an ideology.

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Wall Street Journal

 November 20, 2000

 How Democrats Wage Political War

By Cleta Mitchell, a Washington attorney who has previously served as a Democratic member of the Oklahoma legislature.

In case you're bewildered by the machinations of the Gore campaign-turned-law-firm, let there be no doubt that the goings on in Florida are perfectly in keeping with the way Democrats normally think and behave. Lawsuits are a key part of the Democrats' political strategy, so nothing about Florida should surprise anyone who has spent time in the Democratic Party.

Until 1995, I was a Democrat. I've been a Democrat elected official, a party official and an active party member, so I know how Democrats think.

Democrats know and internalize, understand and are motivated by, certain ideas, concepts and principles that seem to be foreign to Republicans. And Democrats are elated that Republicans don't know or function under the same ideas. These basic rules of Democratic thinking are at work in Florida. This primer should help explain what makes the Democrats tick.

Rule 1: If we don't win, we don't eat.

The fundamental motivation for Democrats is their understanding that winning control of government is tied to paychecks, jobs, government grants, public money for private groups and companies, government contracts, union bargaining advantages, rules by which trial lawyers bring lawsuits, and on and on. The use of government to feed friends and starve enemies is something Democrats know instinctively. Winning elections means getting or keeping a livelihood.

 Say what you will about trial lawyers, but remember this: They only get paid if their clients win. Extending that principle to politics means that various Democratic constituencies are convinced that a Democratic victory means food on the table.


Rule 2: State courts are "home" to Democrats.

There is a reason why, of the more than two-dozen lawsuits filed in Florida by various Democrats, virtually all have been filed in state courts.

Democrats are at home in the state courts. It is where the judges are elected, often on partisan ballots. And the trial lawyers are the most ardent in overseeing who fills and keeps judicial positions.

Trial lawyers normally hate federal court, where rules are stricter and standards much higher, and where attorneys can be, and often are, sanctioned for filing frivolous lawsuits.

Against the backdrop of the myriad state lawsuits filed by Democrats in Florida, and the call by the Gore campaign for even more trial lawyers to come and assist in the litigation battles there, the Bush campaign filed one legal action. It was filed in federal court as a challenge to the constitutional validity of the manual recount procedures in Florida and the absence in the statute of any objective standards for such recounts. The evidence to support the sole Republican lawsuit has unfolded on our television screens during the manual recounts conducted to date.

State courts are often a blank page to be filled in by the most clever manipulator in the courtroom. (No wonder the Democrats have brought in super-litigator David Boies.) Only a state court judge would have entertained, much less Ruled on, a lawsuit like the one filed by the Palm Beach Democratic Party, which argued that incomplete ("dimpled")
Ballots should nonetheless be counted. And that's just one example of the kinds of cases the Democrats have filed.

 Republicans depart from their customary arguments in favor of federalism, decentralization of government power and devolution of authority to the states when civil justice system and lawsuit reform are at issue. Then, the parties switch sides and it is Republicans who prefer federal courts and uniform national standards and Democrats who fight vigorously to protect their state court fiefdoms. This may seem inconsistent -- but it isn't, when one understands the hometown advantage of the Democrats and trial lawyers in state courts. Remember Rule #1.

 Rule 3, the "golden rule": He who makes the rules wins the
 Gold.


The post-election fight in Florida is the best evidence in my lifetime of the absolute supremacy of the rules-as-gold principle. Democrats understand impressively well that the rules, the regulations, the procedures and the processes will almost always dictate the outcome. In a nutshell, rules provide victories -- or defeats. Because the statutory process in Florida did not provide the result the Democrats wanted, they knew it was imperative to change the rules after the election.

When I was first elected to the Oklahoma legislature, a veteran Democrat member told me to learn the rules. He told me, "If you know the rules better than your opponent, you can beat him every time." He was right. I also learned that writing and rewriting the rules is as important as understanding them.

The legal wrangling this week in Florida is neither about  "technicalities," nor about "fairness." It is about winning. See Rule #1. Changing the rules is why the Gore campaign dispatched lawyers and organizers to Florida in the early morning hours of election night -- because the rules had to be rewritten under public pressure, either through executive or judicial decisions, in order for Al Gore  to prevail.
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2024, 02:01:26 pm »
Rule 1: If we don't win, we don't eat.

The fundamental motivation for Democrats is their understanding that winning control of government is tied to paychecks, jobs, government grants, public money for private groups and companies, government contracts, union bargaining advantages, rules by which trial lawyers bring lawsuits, and on and on. The use of government to feed friends and starve enemies is something Democrats know instinctively. Winning elections means getting or keeping a livelihood.

 Say what you will about trial lawyers, but remember this: They only get paid if their clients win. Extending that principle to politics means that various Democratic constituencies are convinced that a Democratic victory means food on the table.


And this, boys and girls, is why balancing the budget is so important.  STOP FUNDING OUR ENEMIES WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS !!!
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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2024, 02:18:03 pm »
And this, boys and girls, is why balancing the budget is so important.  STOP FUNDING OUR ENEMIES WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS !!!

 :amen: And stop subsidizing ANYTHING!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Democrats ask: Why didn’t anything work?
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2024, 02:23:28 pm »
Thanks! It says Casey is still refusing to concede.

TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON !!!

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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2024, 07:00:41 pm »
Look at the map mountaineer posted in #7 above.

Of all the states, none has changed as entirely as West Virginia.
From almost completely "blue" in 1992 as 100% red today.

Lando wrote in #11:
LBJ: “I’ll have “them” voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”

Look at Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and up through the Carolinas.
The "black belt" stands out from all "the red".