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Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« on: October 16, 2024, 01:36:11 pm »
Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
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October 16, 2024 8:00 am

During his 1980 presidential campaign, former President Ronald Reagan ran on shutting down the Department of Education, then in its infancy. But he couldn’t even get a Republican in Congress to introduce a bill to do it.

Ever since, Republican presidential candidates have made the same campaign promise, only to not really know what to do with the department when their friends in Congress tell them to pound sand.

If he’s elected back to office, former President Donald Trump could totally break that mold.

After eight years of former President Barack Obama’s overreach, there was almost total consensus among conservative education policy wonks that it was time to rein in the Education Department. Back then, if you proposed using the agency to do anything proactive, you’d be told, “If we push the envelope, that’ll give them ideas and make them angry, and they’ll overreach even more next time.”

So, under Trump, former Education Secretary DeVos governed in a relatively restrained manner. And the Biden-Harris administration came in afterward and went about as administratively bonkers as anyone could have imagined anyhow.

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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2024, 02:45:51 pm »
1.) More failed Government is not the answer.
2.) Poison pill is a waste of time.
3.) poison pill is a waste of money.
4.) Poison pill could be fascist ruse to centralize and consolidate education curriculum and policy at the Federal level.

The best way to reduce Government spending is for the Government to spend less money, not waste it on sophmoric policy nonsense.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2024, 02:48:33 pm »
Kill it, please. Enough waffling.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2024, 02:50:31 pm »
Just put it out of our misery.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2024, 03:03:05 pm »
The DOE, Another peach of an idea signed into law by Jimmah the Peanut   DOE needs to DIE.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2024, 03:11:50 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 16, 2024, 02:50:31 pm
Just put it out of our misery.

I'm not so sure.  The DOE needs to be changed to enlighten our children as to the true history of our country and to re-instill patriotism. Flags in all class rooms, recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance, with 2 years of American history and American government as required courses in ALL schools in order to graduate high school.

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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2024, 03:29:33 pm »
I'd like to see towns and states re-introduce civics classes to school curriculum.  Personal financial literacy classes would also be helpful.

Kids aren't learning how our systems of Government and Economy work.

Enough with Federal mandates.  Let parents, municipalities, and states decide what they want their children to learn.

Federal control of K-12 will be a disaster as the curriculum is over-politicized and changed each time a new party comes to power.

The Founders believed that the Government closest to the People governs the best.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2024, 03:46:15 pm »
Nope.  The Rats will ruin it again as soon as they get power back.  Kill it.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2024, 05:12:08 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on October 16, 2024, 03:11:50 pm
I'm not so sure.  The DOE needs to be changed to enlighten our children as to the true history of our country and to re-instill patriotism. Flags in all class rooms, recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance, with 2 years of American history and American government as required courses in ALL schools in order to graduate high school.

Ehhhhh, no I'd rather not have a right wing version of big government, TYVM.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2024, 05:16:47 pm »
Get rid of it. It’s a quagmire.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2024, 05:33:54 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on October 16, 2024, 03:11:50 pm
I'm not so sure.  The DOE needs to be changed to enlighten our children as to the true history of our country and to re-instill patriotism. Flags in all class rooms, recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance, with 2 years of American history and American government as required courses in ALL schools in order to graduate high school.
We do need to enlighten the kids on our foundations, but a federal agency is not the vehicle to do it.

Every state has an education agency, so let them.

Feds always over-reach, and keeping that program alive will guarantee the zombie will rise again.

Drive the stake through the heart.  Then burn it to the ground.  Then salt the earth.  Then have a garlic farm over it.

You get the picture.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2024, 06:04:29 pm »
Weird pleads:
"Kill it, please. Enough waffling."

Yes.
And then kill the EPA.
And then kill HUD.
And then kill Homeland Security.
And then...
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2024, 06:15:01 pm »
I think just about every 3 letter acronymed Federal agency needs to be abolished. (minus DOD)  Drive that oversight down to the state and local level.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2024, 06:27:53 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on October 16, 2024, 03:46:15 pm
Nope.  The Rats will ruin it again as soon as they get power back.  Kill it.

That's it, right there. It's the same damn government. The ONLY way to take power away from Democrats is to take the power away. That's what I have been saying all the way along.

That's Conservative 101.  :beer:
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2024, 07:01:28 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on October 16, 2024, 06:27:53 pm
That's it, right there. It's the same damn government. The ONLY way to take power away from Democrats is to take the power away. That's what I have been saying all the way along.

That's Conservative 101.  :beer:

Saving these things so the (R)s can use them is a fools errand. 
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2024, 08:27:10 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on October 16, 2024, 03:11:50 pm
I'm not so sure.  The DOE needs to be changed to enlighten our children as to the true history of our country and to re-instill patriotism. Flags in all class rooms, recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance, with 2 years of American history and American government as required courses in ALL schools in order to graduate high school.
If you are going to keep it, reinstate something like the Iowa Test of Basic Skills so there is a metric for progress. Standardized testing will at least give parents something by which to hold schools accountable for underperforming. English isn't racist, it's English, the language that our founding documents are written in. To understand those concepts, there is no substitute for reading and being able to comprehend what is written.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2024, 08:29:05 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on October 16, 2024, 06:15:01 pm
I think just about every 3 letter acronymed Federal agency needs to be abolished. (minus DOD)  Drive that oversight down to the state and local level.

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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2024, 08:35:27 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on October 16, 2024, 06:15:01 pm
I think just about every 3 letter acronymed Federal agency needs to be abolished. (minus DOD)  Drive that oversight down to the state and local level.

The DOD needs a big added overhaul.
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2024, 09:53:14 am »
Quote from: bigheadfred on October 16, 2024, 08:35:27 pm
The DOD needs a big added overhaul.
How about HHS too?
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2024, 11:48:10 am »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on October 17, 2024, 09:53:14 am
How about HHS too?


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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2024, 12:10:55 pm »
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Such a fetching woman… :whistle:

True.  Every time I see that guy, I want to throw a stick and tell him to fetch it.
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2024, 12:13:12 pm »
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True.  Every time I see that guy, I want to throw a stick and tell him to fetch it.

He has more chins than a San Francisco phone book.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2024, 11:32:48 am »
Nothing good has happened with public education since the DOE was established during the Carter years. Why keep it?

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Trump said he'd put a libertarian in the cabinet.
He also said he'd abolish the Department of Education.
He can check both of those boxes at the same time if he hires me.
I'd shut it down and then fire myself.
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Re: Trump should use the Education Department, not abolish it
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2024, 03:45:10 pm »
Exactly ^^^^^
The DOE took America from #1 to 24th and 38th place
And if that isn’t enough, they started indoctrinating children into perversion.

Govt does most  nothing well and DOE isn’t one of the good jobs!
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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2024, 04:07:49 pm »
No, No and HELL NO
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