Millions of Christians not planning to vote this November, could shape election: Study

[roamer_1]

The product of 'voting against'.
The product of division.

What y'all will REALLY VOTE *FOR* has become a political construct.
No longer principled.
No longer Conservative.
Just 'not Democrat' (what ever the hell that even means).

Unlike many of you, I am not a political animal.
Like most Americans, I find politics to be revolting. A duty similar to picking up dog crap.
I think that is more in line with Joe SixPack than all y'all.

Which leads to what is demonstrating here.

The politically 'woke' drive the primary. They sell a brand according to their breast-heaving, pearl-clutching click bait - Stuff that most people don't give a single shit about - Aaaaand then wonder why they can barely haul their candidate's fat butt over the finish line, kicking and screaming, in the general.

THIS is why.
You think the Christians should vote for Tumpy.
Because 'Not Democrat'

 

There is a set of immovable Christian principles.
Those things the Conservative Republicans, under Reagan, vowed to uphold THAT BROUGHT THE CHRISTIANS OVER TO THE RIGHT.

Which of those things can be found in Tumpy - Because ALL of them should be.
Not one or two.

Anything less brings division within the Christian sphere.

You think you're candidate is shining like a new dime in a goat's ass.
Because 'not Democrat'.

But you have to sell him in the general. You have to show him to the factions that might kick the tires And sell him  to THEM. To the ones with busy days and kids, and work and a thousand things going on, Who don't listen to talk radio, and don't watch FOX news breathlessly every day.

Those folks who are not politically inclined. You need to ring their bell, not yours.

And y'all suck at it.

[Smokin Joe]

Through FB, actual conversations etc,  7 people I know who where Trump conservatives say they are voting for Harris.  Tired of the outright lies from Trump-pushing out the lie at his rallys  the people are only getting $750 hurricane assistance for instance

People are realizing Trump has zero empathy and only looks out for himself.

I bet Haley, DeSantis, Rubio secretly will be voting for Harris.  No one takes a bully beating like they did and vote for him. They only stick up for him in public so  not to get the cult against  them.

Yeah, well, one thing I can say about Trump. He does have a way of getting the turncoats and moles to show their true colors.

I would not beet on DeSantis voting for Harris. Seriously? Not even Rubio.

I might not get praised from the pulpit on Sunday, but that isn't going to make me work for the other side by any conceivable stretch. While some Conservatives may withhold their vote, no one with a scintilla of conservative in them will actually vote FOR Harris.

[Smokin Joe]

The product of 'voting against'.
The product of division.

What y'all will REALLY VOTE *FOR* has become a political construct.
No longer principled.
No longer Conservative.
Just 'not Democrat' (what ever the hell that even means).

Unlike many of you, I am not a political animal.
Like most Americans, I find politics to be revolting. A duty similar to picking up dog crap.
I think that is more in line with Joe SixPack than all y'all.

Which leads to what is demonstrating here.

The politically 'woke' drive the primary. They sell a brand according to their breast-heaving, pearl-clutching click bait - Stuff that most people don't give a single shit about - Aaaaand then wonder why they can barely haul their candidate's fat butt over the finish line, kicking and screaming, in the general.

THIS is why.
You think the Christians should vote for Tumpy.
Because 'Not Democrat'

 

There is a set of immovable Christian principles.
Those things the Conservative Republicans, under Reagan, vowed to uphold THAT BROUGHT THE CHRISTIANS OVER TO THE RIGHT.

Which of those things can be found in Tumpy - Because ALL of them should be.
Not one or two.

Anything less brings division within the Christian sphere.

You think you're candidate is shining like a new dime in a goat's ass.
Because 'not Democrat'.

But you have to sell him in the general. You have to show him to the factions that might kick the tires And sell him  to THEM. To the ones with busy days and kids, and work and a thousand things going on, Who don't listen to talk radio, and don't watch FOX news breathlessly every day.

Those folks who are not politically inclined. You need to ring their bell, not yours.

And y'all suck at it.

Well one of the things about picking up dog crap. It's optional (at least till the stink gets so bad the Health Department shows up). At best the dog will put it where you won't step in it, and at worst you'll be scraping your boots a lot. Either way, the landscape is going to acquire an aroma until it bleaches out to white or rains into the ground, but there is always a fresh batch to contribute to the ambience.

In politics, that means you either recognize that while it doesn't matter which dog it comes from, it stinks. But some stinks worse and seems to be more of it than others. Most folks don't choose their dog on that basis, but it is a consideration.
Admittedly, while I Trust in the Lord, I'm voting to block Kamela. I'd be remiss if I didn't. Sometimes you put up a fence to keep your critters in, sometimes to keep the neighbor's out. It's the latter, in this case. One exaggerates, the other lies outright. The exaggerations fall into hyperbole, and remembering the guy is a developer and promoter, that's to be expected. He's basically a high dollar salesman.

The others, though have stood for taking guns, invasion of these United States, shredding babies in the womb, and even taking them from parents who won't give permission for their children's sex organs to be surgically mutilated so that can be done.

I have to vote to block that. I have to stand in the way, knowing full that what I am trying to safeguard is flawed, as I am, in the eyes of The Lord and of men: just human. But nonetheless, I still have to stand and say "Not today Satan!", because by their works shall ye know them, and I have seen their works.
This has little to do with Trump, himself, but what the respective sides stand for.
Yah uses people, imperfect people (He knows or He would not have sent His Son to compensate for our failings), to get His will done.

We have a choice. It isn't between Trump and Harris, although they are the people standing behind the podiums, it is between good and evil. I am morally obligated to vote against the evil the Harris and Waltz represent.

Like Yogi Berra said, "When you come to a fork in the road, take it." (Full disclosure: the polls put Trump up 27 points in ND, my vote will make no real difference in the POTUS election, only the local and State ones.) He's ahead nearly 17 points in the Montana polls, too.

I get it, you aren't happy with either side, and think we (Conservatives) could do better. I agree. But we didn't get here in one fell swoop, and we won't move the needle back that way either. It's a marathon, not a sprint. If you leave the top of the ticket blank, or write in Chewy, I get it. But for the love of this country and Montana, at least vote down ticket.
God Bless you, bro. I hope your health gets better.

[jafo2010]

jmyrlefuller and all who plan not to vote,


ABDICATING YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO VOTE IS FOOLISH!

EVERY VOTE COUNTS.  THE FACT YOU DO NOT LIKE EITHER CANDIDATE, HEY, GET IN LINE.  AND IF YOU DO NOT LIKE EITHER CANDIDATE FOR THE POSITIONS DOWN LINE, THEN NOT VOTING IS NOT A SOLUTION. 

You have the franchise to have a say about government.  Few countries in the world have this freedom.  You MUST embrace this freedom, because too many are actively working to take this away from you. I have seen local elections won by as few as 2 VOTES.  2 VOTES, no joke.  That is why it is so important for you and every Christian and religious minded person to make a decision.  But not participating, that should never be an option for one that cares about their country, their fellow man, and their family.

And from my mindset, this election is a difference between peace and war.  I know which I prefer. 

This is a difference between prosperity and poverty.  Again, I know who will best serve the people of the USA in this regard.

And last but not least, we know who and what Trump is.  Do you know anything about a candidate like Harris?  Anything?  Other than she is a puppet for a big machine that I assure you does not have your interests, the American people's interest, the people that claim they have religious beliefs at heart, who have life as a value in their heart, who was NOT VOTED for by a single person in any primary, this is a person you would let steal an election?  Really?

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE ONLY ONE CHOICE IF THEY BELIEVE THEY CHERISH FREEDOM. ONE!!!

As someone married to a woman that comes from a country that has no freedom, and having been to her country a number of times, voting for the best person that will preserve your freedom, even your ability to practice your religious beliefs with freedom, there is only one person to consider in this election.

And I am sorry, you don't like be calling a moron.  How about a fool?  All who read this that are contemplating the abdication of their responsibility to participate in selecting the leadership of government at every level, please think again.

[jafo2010]

roamer_1   ...

There is a set of immovable Christian principles.
Those things the Conservative Republicans, under Reagan, vowed to uphold THAT BROUGHT THE CHRISTIANS OVER TO THE RIGHT.

Which of those things can be found in Tumpy - Because ALL of them should be.
Not one or two.

Seriously? 

LIFE.  He believes in LIFE, has actively supported and demonstrated with those that believe in preserving LIFE.

During his first term, he is the ONLY POTUS not to start a new war.  When he says he will end the war in Europe in one day, we know that will not happen, but you can bet he will pursue a course that forces both sides to end the war.  Harris will continue to do as told by the military/industrial complex.  You know this.  It is NOT a mystery.

And this war approach by Biden/Harris with the largest nuclear power on earth is insane.  There is a way to deal with Russia, and backing them into a corner is NOT the way.

Trump is many things, not all of them good, but what is clear, is that he loves this country, he has done things that benefit all of the people of the USA, he ONLY brought people to the Supreme Court that finally ended the nonsense of Roe vs Wade.  It did not end abortion, but it pushed the power down to the state level, giving the people a greater voice in each state to define what they want for their state.  That is a major accomplishment that no one since Trump came along has managed to end this genocidal nonsense.  60 million of the most vulnerable murdered.  Margaret Sanger is dancing in her grave because Roe vs Wade fulfilled beyond her wildest dreams her desire to accomplish eugenics in the USA, the control of the undesirable, people of color, Catholics, Jews, and the poor. 

Perhaps you do not believe it, But under Biden/Harris and perhaps soon to be Harris/Wolz, I believe we have never been closer to nuclear annihilation of the entire planet than right now.  And with Harris, I see that equation worsening.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE BUT ONE CHOICE.  YOUR LIFE, AND YOUR FAMILY'S LIFE MAY DEPEND UPON IT.

[bilo]

Yeah, well, one thing I can say about Trump. He does have a way of getting the turncoats and moles to show their true colors.

I would not beet on DeSantis voting for Harris. Seriously? Not even Rubio.

I might not get praised from the pulpit on Sunday, but that isn't going to make me work for the other side by any conceivable stretch. While some Conservatives may withhold their vote, no one with a scintilla of conservative in them will actually vote FOR Harris.

I don't agree. A conservative will not withhold their vote this time around. The difference is too stark. Any animus a conservative might have for Trump's persona is more than negated by the anti-Republic behavior of the Rats.

A real conservative wants to preserve our republican form of government not let a bunch of leftists turn America into a 3rd world hellhole.

[roamer_1]

Admittedly, while I Trust in the Lord, I'm voting to block Kamela. I'd be remiss if I didn't. Sometimes you put up a fence to keep your critters in, sometimes to keep the neighbor's out. It's the latter, in this case. One exaggerates, the other lies outright. The exaggerations fall into hyperbole, and remembering the guy is a developer and promoter, that's to be expected. He's basically a high dollar salesman.

There's the tricky bit. When the magician is showing you his right hand, always look at what the left hand is doing... It (literally) doesn't matter what you're voting against. It's what you're voting *FOR*

The whole point of the turd burger is to make it so bad that you'll eat the shit sandwich... And like it.

That is why there is no opposition to liberalism. It is the Right, giving ground, every time, because what they're willing to swallow is marginally better than the left... Moving the goalposts ever leftward by attrition and increment...

I will do that no longer.

[roamer_1]

Seriously? 

LIFE.  He believes in LIFE, has actively supported and demonstrated with those that believe in preserving LIFE.

That's hilarious. The whole post. You've listened to FOX NEWS way too much.
Look at the damn record.

[roamer_1]

I don't agree. A conservative will not withhold their vote this time around. The difference is too stark. Any animus a conservative might have for Trump's persona is more than negated by the anti-Republic behavior of the Rats.

A real conservative wants to preserve our republican form of government not let a bunch of leftists turn America into a 3rd world hellhole.

This one damn sure will. I am never going to vote for big government from the Right.
That is not Conservatism. That IS leftism.

[Smokin Joe]

This one damn sure will. I am never going to vote for big government from the Right.
That is not Conservatism. That IS leftism.

Like I said in an earlier post, as far as POTUS goes, your vote and mine won't matter. Trump was up 17 points in MT last I checked, up 27 in ND. Last go-round only WY voted more heavily for Trump. Trump has Montana and North Dakota, with or without us.

It's the down ticket races that (literally) hit home, especially here. Initiated measures to eliminate property taxes (real and personal), legalize recreational weed, change the way the Legacy Fund (a savings account from part of the oil and gas production taxes) is utilized, update some terms used in law describing mental illness and developmental disability, and one I consider dangerous which would make it harder to petition to put something on the state ballot. Gubernatorial and congressional races make a difference, and there are a host of seats up in the State Legislature. Government strikes hardest or least close to home, and if we want less of it, that's the major front in this war of philosophies.   

[mountaineer]

Our statewide ballot will have a question posed about whether the state constitution should be amended to explicitly prohibit physician-assisted deaths. It would be wrong for me not to vote.

[Free Vulcan]

What I weigh in my mind when voting for President in this election is not whether the country can be fixed or even stalwart conservative principles, it's who do I want in leadership to ride it down when we have the imminent and unavoidable hard crash.

That person is not Shamala or a Rat Congress. I'm far less likely to end up in a gulag with Trump at the helm.

Regardless, I will vote because of all the other races on the ballot. I want Iowa to maintain bein a Red state.

[Knuckles Neanderthal]

I sure hope they vote for Trump. Any other vote or write-in would be wasted.

[berdie]

I have always felt that voting was a privilege....and a gift.

Truthfully, I have been voting for the lesser of two evils for a long time. I don't expect it to change any time soon. But it could if we can keep the Kammies out.

[roamer_1]

Like I said in an earlier post, as far as POTUS goes, your vote and mine won't matter. Trump was up 17 points in MT last I checked, up 27 in ND. Last go-round only WY voted more heavily for Trump. Trump has Montana and North Dakota, with or without us.

It's the down ticket races that (literally) hit home, especially here. Initiated measures to eliminate property taxes (real and personal), legalize recreational weed, change the way the Legacy Fund (a savings account from part of the oil and gas production taxes) is utilized, update some terms used in law describing mental illness and developmental disability, and one I consider dangerous which would make it harder to petition to put something on the state ballot. Gubernatorial and congressional races make a difference, and there are a host of seats up in the State Legislature. Government strikes hardest or least close to home, and if we want less of it, that's the major front in this war of philosophies.

Well, so far, it looks like I will be disenfranchised again. So unlikely I will vote at all. It seems I cannot just register - Already been through the online stuff, and on the horn to the registrar, and all the things... Because I was kicked for cause last time around (suspicious ballot request because my residence and mailing address are different)., I have to show up in person, which, in my current state,  is more than mere effort. And then present current ID - which is non-existant - Just to register.... Which is more PIA than I am willing to endure.

Where I have to go is full of stairs, which I ain't gonna do, even if I can get there in the first place. And they won't come to me. What impossible bullshit. I am the next best thing to a ward of the state... They know exactly who I am... except for voting. Super frustrating.

So pretty likely I won't vote at all. Again.

[Smokin Joe]

Well, so far, it looks like I will be disenfranchised again. So unlikely I will vote at all. It seems I cannot just register - Already been through the online stuff, and on the horn to the registrar, and all the things... Because I was kicked for cause last time around (suspicious ballot request because my residence and mailing address are different)., I have to show up in person, which, in my current state,  is more than mere effort. And then present current ID - which is non-existant - Just to register.... Which is more PIA than I am willing to endure.

Where I have to go is full of stairs, which I ain't gonna do, even if I can get there in the first place. And they won't come to me. What impossible bullshit. I am the next best thing to a ward of the state... They know exactly who I am... except for voting. Super frustrating.

So pretty likely I won't vote at all. Again.

Well, bro, you do have one option. Sue them under the ADA over impossible access...

[Sighlass]

Lord willing, I will vote, write-in (probable Randall Terry, Constitutional Party)... and down ticket if any catch my fancy.

Lol, upstream someone said Trump was pro-life... bull, not pro-life, not 2nd Amendment, not much of anything but bluster and being full of himself.

[roamer_1]

Well, bro, you do have one option. Sue them under the ADA over impossible access...

Like the guy bitchin over curbs and making folks go out of their way to put in ramp services... That ain't my way. But it ought not be so hard to get done... Like I said... retirement and disability means they KNOW who I am, perfectly well. They've been to my dang house.

But now I have to pay hard money to get the handicap bus over here, all the trouble of getting up there, and then drag my buggy up stairs and down... just to reverse the process to get home again. Sixty bucks or so, there and back again. And that, prolly more than once to get qualifying ID, and all the bullcrap in a row. I don't think it's gonna be worth it.

Still swinging at it... just getting sick of it... All for folks I don't care much about.

[roamer_1]

Lol, upstream someone said Trump was pro-life... bull, not pro-life, not 2nd Amendment, not much of anything but bluster and being full of himself.

FACTS. But don't confuse em with the actual record... They're on a roll. 

[Smokin Joe]

Like the guy bitchin over curbs and making folks go out of their way to put in ramp services... That ain't my way. But it ought not be so hard to get done... Like I said... retirement and disability means they KNOW who I am, perfectly well. They've been to my dang house.

But now I have to pay hard money to get the handicap bus over here, all the trouble of getting up there, and then drag my buggy up stairs and down... just to reverse the process to get home again. Sixty bucks or so, there and back again. And that, prolly more than once to get qualifying ID, and all the bullcrap in a row. I don't think it's gonna be worth it.

Still swinging at it... just getting sick of it... All for folks I don't care much about.

Well, don't get back on your feet for anyone but you.

[jmyrlefuller]

The problem with writing in a candidate is that most write-in votes for a Presidential candidate get thrown out because a candidate has to have a complete slate of electors on file with the state board of elections for any write-in votes to count. So if I were to write myself in, as I've done in the past, usually in unopposed local races,  it wouldn't count.

[GrouchoTex]

I see it this way.
Christians will vote, but they will not tell anyone outside of their own circle of family and friends who they voted for.
No different than most of us, and the way it used to be.
As a voter, I would not want anyone to doxx me, swat me, harass me, because of who I vote for, and we know this happens.
As a proclaimed christian voter, they may get a double whammy.

This headline should probably read:
"Millions of Christians not planning to to tell you who they will vote for this November, could shape election polling results: Study

[Bigun]

I see it this way.
Christians will vote, but they will not tell anyone outside of their own circle of family and friends who they voted for.
No different than most of us, and the way it used to be.
As a voter, I would not want anyone to doxx me, swat me, harass me, because of who I vote for, and we know this happens.
As a proclaimed christian voter, they may get a double whammy.

This headline should probably read:
"Millions of Christians not planning to to tell you who they will vote for this November, could shape election polling results: Study

This gets my vote for post of the month @GrouchoTex ! Same reason many folks just hang up on pollsters.

[roamer_1]

Well, don't get back on your feet for anyone but you.

I'll gain my feet if I can. My point was that, considering the mountain I have to climb (figuratively), the caliber of candidate may not be worth it.

I will vote for Gianforte.
I will vote for Zinke - Though he ain't got much to recommend him from Tumpy's Dept of the Interior.


Sheehy is on the bubble. He smells like Rosciot... Has that big money carpet bagger thing going on. If it weren't for Testercle, I probably would say no.

And I will not vote for Tumpy.

That don't leave me much reason to go vote at all... And getting drug through a knothole to get it done don't make it any easier.

[roamer_1]

I see it this way.
Christians will vote, but they will not tell anyone outside of their own circle of family and friends who they voted for.

No... the problem is in the dissent. Tumpy will not get the Christian vote en bloc. Guaranteed. The 'Christian' bumper sticker that is the Tumpy campaign will not fool them all.

And to go against the liberal machine will take every_single_vote.

The problem is this: You have to give them something to vote *FOR*.

That ain't 'because Democrats'.