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Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« on: October 07, 2024, 07:52:28 am »
Owning a home in Florida is a huge gamble. Some people are starting to question whether it’s worth it.

Business Insider by Dan Latu, Jordan Pandy, Madeline Berg 10/6/2024

•   Some Florida homeowners are reevaluating their costs and comfort with risk post-Hurricane Helene.

•   One seller near St. Petersburg slashed the asking price on their home, which was flooded, by 40%.

•   Some weigh whether homeownership in Florida is worth it given the high cost of both insurance and homes.

Days after Hurricane Helene devastated Florida and four other states, Compass real-estate agent Alexis Smith-Frady is picking up the pieces in her own home.

More than three feet of water flooded her 1,400-square-foot bungalow in Bradenton, she said, adding that a FEMA inspector who visited deemed it unhabitable.

Now, she's bouncing between hotels until she figures out a more permanent solution.

"We have kind of a two-level house — it's not a two-story, but there are two levels," Smith-Frady told Business Insider. "The top level was spared last year with Idalia, and then this year it got our entire house."

"We have kind of a two-level house — it's not a two-story, but there are two levels," Smith-Frady told Business Insider. "The top level was spared last year with Idalia, and then this year it got our entire house."

She said she did not have flood insurance for the first 11 years she lived there but now has flood and hazard insurance that costs her about $7,000 a year. By contrast, Smith-Frady added, she owns a cabin in North Carolina where the insurance bill is about $700 a year.

She's not sure whether to repair the existing home or start from scratch.

"If we fix our home, it's going to be a three- to six-month process," Smith-Frady said.

"But if we build, it will probably be closer to 18 months because there's going to be quite a few people trying to do the same thing," she added.

Hurricane Helene caused $30.5 billion to $47.5 billion in wind and flood damage across 16 states, CoreLogic estimated. The real-estate data firm expects the National Flood Insurance Program to provide about $4.5 to $6.5 billion of insurance to homeowners across Florida and the southeastern US — including in parts of Florida that haven't experienced a hurricane like this in a while.

Smith-Frady lives inland, and while her home is on a river and susceptible to flooding, the southwest part of Florida is usually spared significant destruction from hurricanes. The last major hurricane to hit the Tampa Bay area, where Sarasota is, was in 1921.

It's a harsh reality that many Florida homeowners may face the effects of hurricanes or flooding at some point — and they're reminded of it often when their flood or home insurance bill is due. Florida is the most at-risk state for hurricanes, with nearly one out of every three homes — a total of 3 million — susceptible to storm-surge flooding, according to a hurricane risk model by insurance software company Guidewire.

Hurricanes haven't significantly affected Florida home prices, real-estate data experts told Business Insider this week, and the Sunshine State is still one of the most popular states to move to.

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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2024, 11:34:01 am »
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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2024, 11:42:36 pm »
Abosofuckinglutely!
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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2024, 12:09:51 am »
It’s not worth it in a flood zone.  There is plenty of real estate > 20 feet above sea level, but for some reason, people want a water view.  The same water view, every day. 

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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2024, 02:10:40 am »
My wife and I flew down to Florida a few years ago to fulfill one of my dreams, to purchase land to build a house on a canal, where I could moor a sailboat behind my house, and sail away when the notion hit me.

We looked at a number of lots, mostly in subdivisions that were started decades before and only partially developed, like 30-40% developed, despite starting in the 1980s.  That alone screams what is wrong with this picture?

The lot we saw that was incredibly beautiful, had one of the most beautiful sunsets while we were there, was $152,000 for 1/4 of an acre lot.  Most of the lots on the street were undeveloped.  The lot next to the one of interest had a house, and the couple were sitting out near their pool, so I went over to ask them about the area, the lot, living there, etc.  Turns out both were involved in real estate. 

They indicated the lot on the other side of them had just sold for $64,000 one month prior.  Same size lot, also with access to the canal out back, pretty much an equal lot to what I was looking at.  We did not buy then.

I called this couple after hurricane Ian hit Florida.  He told me their property insurance premium was increased $1,800 to $9,000 per year.  We are talking about a $550,000 - $600,000  home.  This single comment killed my dream.  No way am I paying that kind of premium to live my dream for property and casualty insurance.  BTW, the lot next door that was for $152,000, still not sold, and the owner jacked the price to $250,000.  FAT CHANCE, THAT!!

And now with hurricane Milton about to level much of the gulf side of Florida, I am sure property insurance premiums will skyrocket again, or perhaps insurance companies will withdraw from Florida altogether.   And if they do, that kills the whole RE marketplace in Florida.  No bank will finance a house without property and casualty insurance. 

So, the answer is a big fat NO, it is not going to be worth living in Florida unless you are 150 miles away from the coast.  And who in their right mind wants to live there?  I lived in Brandon, Florida for five years, and always regretted not living near the coast.  I was only about a 50 minute drive away, but it was too far.
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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2024, 02:20:44 am »
I guess we will see...
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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2024, 10:12:47 am »
I ain't going anywhere.  Yes our flood and H.O. premiums did increase for the 1st time in years.  But not so that I can't afford them...yet.  The wife is a FL native and She won't move any further north than where we are now.
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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2024, 12:29:57 pm »
Lost power Wednesday.. still out today.
No major damages to the house, but I just threw out everything in my refrigerator and a lot of the stuff in my freezer.
Thankfully, the weather is very pleasant right now.
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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2024, 12:44:18 pm »
... only if you don't like experiencing 8 months of dark, cold Winter and unaffordable cost of living.

Being broke and cold is what we call the "Charles Dickens experience".
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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2024, 06:48:25 pm »
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I had to think about this for a bit, and we've lived here over 30 years. All in all, in short, NO!

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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2024, 06:56:06 pm »
I had to think about this for a bit, and we've lived here over 30 years. All in all, in short, NO!

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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2024, 07:04:00 pm »
It’s not worth it in a flood zone.  There is plenty of real estate > 20 feet above sea level, but for some reason, people want a water view.  The same water view, every day.

Don't knock living on the Gulf or Gulf access; the sunsets are spectacular, the weather is incredible (other than hurricane season) and I'll take that view of the water and being able to travel by water to just about anywhere in the world, any day.

(Keep in mind, many are able to afford the ideal set up; living in FL in the winter months and elsewhere during hurricane season).

As we retired, it became less affordable and we couldn't sail anymore.  We moved away from the Gulf and away from a flood zone. Still have to escape from the storm surge.  Florida is a thin peninsula till you get up around the panhandle.

Greater than 20 feet above sea level?  I believe that would be northern FL where temps do get cold.

Also, insurance in FL is still going to rise regardless.  You're not going to escape higher insurance premiums in FL.

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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2024, 07:05:59 pm »
You probably would not like AZ, but it isn't all Desert.

I've been to AZ years ago on our honeymoon.  My SIL lives there (therefore that is an absolute deterrent to getting my hubby to live there).

There's nothing wrong with the heat and other than my SIL, we could live there.

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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2024, 12:29:58 pm »
Don't knock living on the Gulf or Gulf access; the sunsets are spectacular, the weather is incredible (other than hurricane season) and I'll take that view of the water and being able to travel by water to just about anywhere in the world, any day.

While all of that is true, living on a canal is foolhardy unless your home is on stilts.  The thing to look for is a newer condo or development with proper drainage a few miles inland, and a place to dry-dock your boat.  I marveled at the barrier islands here with ground floor development.  Every stick of furniture is going to be a moldy pile of debris at their curbside within about 20 years - it is inevitable. 

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Re: Is it worth owning a home in Florida
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2024, 01:02:26 pm »
While all of that is true, living on a canal is foolhardy unless your home is on stilts.  The thing to look for is a newer condo or development with proper drainage a few miles inland, and a place to dry-dock your boat.  I marveled at the barrier islands here with ground floor development.  Every stick of furniture is going to be a moldy pile of debris at their curbside within about 20 years - it is inevitable.

We have moved more inland off of the GOM...but moving inland doesn't always equate to no flooding or wind damage.  Places inland have flooded when we lived on the water...not often but it did happen.

As I stated, for the most part FL is a long thin peninsula surrounded by water (obviously).  As Helene reminded us...even states like GA, NC, TN, SC aren't hurricane proof...even inland. 

Again and this bares repeating; hurricanes are very unpredictable. 

So after 30 years of battling hurricanes, I still am of the opinion that living in FL is not worth it.  Lord only knows how high are insurance premiums will now be. I am hurricane weary.

If we had the health to move, we would more than likely leave.  Again, the best of both worlds would be to live here in the winter and live elsewhere in the summer, though I love the heat.  Unfortunately we don't have the funds to do so.

Also, though we are experiencing cooler and dry air, hurricane season is not over and there have been hurricanes in Dec.