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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #500 on: September 11, 2024, 11:18:15 am »
On the other hand, I don't think Trump did anything to assuage the fears that undecideds probably have about his being mentally unhinged and narcissistic.

You need to let go of this   pointing-up  talking point @massadvj 



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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #501 on: September 11, 2024, 11:19:47 am »
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Best zinger of the night: “Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people and it’s clear he’s having a very tough time processing that” @KamalaHarris

And Trump's response should have been:  This coming from someone who got zero votes to become the Democrat nominee.
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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #502 on: September 11, 2024, 11:21:37 am »

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Who won the ABC News presidential debate?
Kamala Harris
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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #503 on: September 11, 2024, 11:22:16 am »
GOP fighting dirty? Doubtful.  The DNC/DEMS excel in fighting dirty.

I do expect October surprises from the DEMS; even a manufactured catastrophic event.  From the GOP? Nope.

I'm still praying for that miracle for this country.

Dirty?  We need the Donald to re-hire the  Stone-Pecker slime machine, and go scorched earth.  Because the dims sure have.

Because.....

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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #504 on: September 11, 2024, 11:23:50 am »
He lost the debate period.  That's the projection in everything that I've been reading and listening to even from any partially conservative news source.

"Everything" @libertybele ?




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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #505 on: September 11, 2024, 11:28:51 am »

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Kamala says she’s for the middle class.

But her policies don’t support the middle class and the past four years demonstrate the opposite.

Does she fail to understand the consequences of her actions, or is she lying?
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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #506 on: September 11, 2024, 11:33:30 am »

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The Candy Crowley Debate

What do we remember, if anything now, about the second presidential debate of 2012?

Not whether Obama or Romney won.

But only how CNN’s Candy Crowley blew up her career and embarrassed CNN—by outrageously hijacking the debate, and as a partisan, fact-checking (and erroneously so) Romney in efforts to help Obama.

So, too, we won’t remember much of these debate details, given the shameful role of the two ABC moderators.

Harris came out calm, exceeded low expectations, repeated well her memorized talking points, avoided until the last 20 minutes her trademark word-salads, and repeatedly baited and incited an increasingly angrier Trump.

Harris called for unity, while smearing him as a racist and repeating the old lies about Charlottesville, “bloodbath,” the 2025 project, and Trump’s supposed support for a federal ban on abortion.

Trump might seem to have matched or beaten Harris if one only reads a transcript of the entire debate—given she never honestly would or could reconcile her past and antithetical present positions.

Nor could Harris explain why she simply did not implement her visions either the last three years or would do so in the next five months.

An irritated Trump started well and ended well; she in-between calmly and successfully at times baited and got Trump’s goat.

But all that will neither matter nor be recalled.

The debate will instead be remembered as a three-on-one pile-on, given the unprofessional and biased team of ABC moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis. Rather than refuting pre-debate fears that their past anti-Trump biases would warp the debate, they only confirmed them.

Both disrupted the tempo to fact check (sometimes in error), and to editorialize Trump’s statements, while letting Harris’s Charlottesville, IVF, national abortion ban, “bloodbath” or 2025 lies go unchecked.

Often their disruptive fact checks of Trump were simply wrong, such as their preposterous claim that no states allow partial birth or late abortions where the viable baby is terminated—when at least six states put no limitations on any abortions.

The questions addressed to Trump on January 6 were designed to provoke. They had no counterpart addressed to Harris—as for example, would she distance herself from Biden, or how she came to win the nomination without winning any elected delegates, or her last person in the room on Afghanistan boast, or if she wished to retract any of her inflammatory past statements, such as bragging that the deadly 2020 demonstrations would not and should not stop, or her tweets to help bail out violent 2020 rioters, or her lie that the border patrol whipped immigrants in the manner reminiscent of slavery and the Klan, or her boast that she was a radical and woke.

Instead, Muir and Davis only asked Trump about supposedly controversial past statements.

Harris was never reprimanded for trying to speak over Trump. Trump was reminded to address the question asked; not so Harris who rarely did.

Watching the entire debate may have aided Harris, given her low expectations. Yet the better sound bites in the next week may help Trump. But the moderators’ shameless bias may swing empathy toward Trump.

So, the real story was how ABC’s moderators ruined the debate, their own reputations, and their network's brand.
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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #507 on: September 11, 2024, 11:33:51 am »
"Everything" @libertybele ?





Trump didn't have a good debate last night, period.  Kamel and ABC won. That was to be expected.   What he does going forward is what is going to make him or break him; he needs to get his ego in check.

His saving grace from what I can tell right now are from people like DeSantis and Donalds loudly standing behind him.

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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #509 on: September 11, 2024, 11:42:59 am »
What is needed is another debate between the two and I highly doubt at this point Kamel is going to afford Trump that opportunity. He's done.   **nononono*

@libertybele   Kammi's been begging for another debate since last night ---

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You don’t get done with a debate and instantly request another unless you know you didn't get what you needed. They see their internals and know they didn’t get a kill shot. This is not how a winning campaign acts. It’s how a losing campaign acts if they want people to think they’re winning

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INGRAHAM: If she's asking for another debate, they don't think she won this debate. They would be saying, "mic drop, we're done."

They don't think that she's in a position right now to win this race.". (Video)


https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1833705687949398367


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This is why Kamala immediately called for a 2nd debate

She knows she missed on the issues that matter - economy & immigration

Slamming Trump w/talking points that appeal to NYC/LA voters may feel good

But those people aren’t deciding the election

PA, GA, NV and AZ are

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BREAKING: A new CNN poll shows that Kamala Harris has LOST support of voters on who they trust to handle the economy, and Trump has gained



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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #511 on: September 11, 2024, 11:46:34 am »
ABC News Debate Causes Undecided Voters to Vote or Lean Trump

A Reuters and New York Times sampling of undecided voters following Tuesday’s debate indicated former President Donald Trump won support from swing voters.

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    Reuters interviewed 10 people who were still unsure how they were going to vote in the Nov. 5 election before they watched the debate. Six said afterward they would now either vote for Trump or were leaning toward backing him. Three said they would now back Harris and one was still unsure how he would vote.

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    Five said they found Harris vague during the more than 90-minute debate on how she would improve the U.S. economy and deal with the high cost of living, a top concern for voters.

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    Four of those six also said Harris did not convince them she would pursue different economic policies than Democratic President Joe Biden, a Democrat they largely blame for the high cost of living.

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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #512 on: September 11, 2024, 11:47:27 am »
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The Candy Crowley Debate

What do we remember, if anything now, about the second presidential debate of 2012?

Not whether Obama or Romney won.

But only how CNN’s Candy Crowley blew up her career and embarrassed CNN—by outrageously hijacking the debate, and as a partisan, fact-checking (and erroneously so) Romney in efforts to help Obama.

So, too, we won’t remember much of these debate details, given the shameful role of the two ABC moderators.

Harris came out calm, exceeded low expectations, repeated well her memorized talking points, avoided until the last 20 minutes her trademark word-salads, and repeatedly baited and incited an increasingly angrier Trump.

Harris called for unity, while smearing him as a racist and repeating the old lies about Charlottesville, “bloodbath,” the 2025 project, and Trump’s supposed support for a federal ban on abortion.

Trump might seem to have matched or beaten Harris if one only reads a transcript of the entire debate—given she never honestly would or could reconcile her past and antithetical present positions.

Nor could Harris explain why she simply did not implement her visions either the last three years or would do so in the next five months.

An irritated Trump started well and ended well; she in-between calmly and successfully at times baited and got Trump’s goat.

But all that will neither matter nor be recalled.

The debate will instead be remembered as a three-on-one pile-on, given the unprofessional and biased team of ABC moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis. Rather than refuting pre-debate fears that their past anti-Trump biases would warp the debate, they only confirmed them.

Both disrupted the tempo to fact check (sometimes in error), and to editorialize Trump’s statements, while letting Harris’s Charlottesville, IVF, national abortion ban, “bloodbath” or 2025 lies go unchecked.

Often their disruptive fact checks of Trump were simply wrong, such as their preposterous claim that no states allow partial birth or late abortions where the viable baby is terminated—when at least six states put no limitations on any abortions.

The questions addressed to Trump on January 6 were designed to provoke. They had no counterpart addressed to Harris—as for example, would she distance herself from Biden, or how she came to win the nomination without winning any elected delegates, or her last person in the room on Afghanistan boast, or if she wished to retract any of her inflammatory past statements, such as bragging that the deadly 2020 demonstrations would not and should not stop, or her tweets to help bail out violent 2020 rioters, or her lie that the border patrol whipped immigrants in the manner reminiscent of slavery and the Klan, or her boast that she was a radical and woke.

Instead, Muir and Davis only asked Trump about supposedly controversial past statements.

Harris was never reprimanded for trying to speak over Trump. Trump was reminded to address the question asked; not so Harris who rarely did.

Watching the entire debate may have aided Harris, given her low expectations. Yet the better sound bites in the next week may help Trump. But the moderators’ shameless bias may swing empathy toward Trump.

So, the real story was how ABC’s moderators ruined the debate, their own reputations, and their network's brand.
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I was actually just thinking about "binders full of women". Romney sucked on every level.

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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #513 on: September 11, 2024, 11:50:37 am »
Anyone who is voting for Trump realized nothing positive for Trump was going to come out of last night's ABC debate. He should have declined based on MSM bias. It's a little bit late for that.

How those who have already decided to vote for him feel about the debate doesn't make any difference.  It does make a difference on how the debate was viewed for those undecideds.

Harris has been in office for the past almost 4 years; if people can't see her for the bat crap crazy marxist that she is by now they never will and last night's debate only confirmed their vote.

Just my opinion. 

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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #514 on: September 11, 2024, 12:00:55 pm »
Trump didn't have a good debate last night, period.  Kamel and ABC won. That was to be expected.   What he does going forward is what is going to make him or break him; he needs to get his ego in check.

His saving grace from what I can tell right now are from people like DeSantis and Donalds loudly standing behind him.

IMO, this  pointing-up is tiresome, disappointing and hate-filled  :bs:     @libertybele.   And I support your right to spew it.

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« Reply #515 on: September 11, 2024, 12:10:09 pm »
I turned it off halfway through. I could not tke ABC not fact Checking the Kameletoe
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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #516 on: September 11, 2024, 12:24:15 pm »
IMO, this  pointing-up is tiresome, disappointing and hate-filled  :bs:     @libertybele.   And I support your right to spew it.

???? @Right_in_Virginia   Hate filled?  For crying out loud, for the umpteenth time, I don't hate Trump!  I've never, ever said that or implied that, nor are the posts that I've just made hateful.  He had a bad night last night.  How could he not with ABC moderating???? Really??? Sure all of us Briefers and supporters of Trump see it -- that doesn't matter.  What matters is how it was viewed by those on the fence.

I'm calling it as I see it.  People like RFK Jr., DeSantis, and Donalds are who is going to help bring in some undecided voters.  How is that hateful?  It's the truth.  Trump did himself no favors last night by letting his ego get in his way.  Something that the Harris campaign and ABC knew would happen -- they knew how to get to him.

BTW.  Even with all of his flaws and going after conservatives -- I think and I've said this many times, I think all and all he was a good president. 

I am voting for him.  My vote doesn't matter -- the votes that matter are from those who were or are undecided.

Yes, when he went after DeSantis I had made up my mind then not to vote for him; as he destroyed the reputation of a true conservative.  I am casting my vote for Trump because he IS pro-America.  Harris IS anti-America. Period.
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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #517 on: September 11, 2024, 12:29:04 pm »
Unfortunately, his ego has always gotten in his way and I foresee him now, badmouthing the media and finding fault with everyone who he feels has wronged him instead of conveying his path forward for this country.

And that right there is the crux of the biscuit.  Very well stated, @libertybele

IF Trump took a more conciliatory approach by conceding that he should have prepared better and that he would not make that mistake again, then he could rectify this fiasco.  But then this is Trump we're talking about.  Asking for a bit of humility from him is a lost cause.
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« Reply #518 on: September 11, 2024, 12:32:22 pm »
GOP fighting dirty? Doubtful.  The DNC/DEMS excel in fighting dirty.

The RNC/Republicans excel at complaining about Democrats fighting dirty while putting up zero fight themselves.
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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #519 on: September 11, 2024, 01:17:04 pm »
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That's the sad reality of corporate media.

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Trump is winning these post-debate focus groups. He is, no doubt. The media bias was too obvious.

But again, she and the media got the bites they wanted and he missed lay ups, enormous opportunities to knock it out of the park.

It's his momentum against the narrative push.
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« Reply #520 on: September 11, 2024, 01:20:44 pm »
???? @Right_in_Virginia   Hate filled?  For crying out loud, for the umpteenth time, I don't hate Trump!

I simply don't believe you @libertybele   You've attacked him without mercy for too long @libertybele --- as it is your right to do.

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I'm calling it as I see it.  People like RFK Jr., DeSantis, and Donalds are who is going to help bring in some undecided voters.

RFK and Donald's are terrific Trump surrogates.  There are others, but DeSantis is not one of them.  He's been AWOL --- and since RDS is not helpful with Independents, his absence is a good thing, so no harm, no foul.

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Trump did himself no favors last night by letting his ego get in his way.  Something that the Harris campaign and ABC knew would happen -- they knew how to get to him.

So, you think there's something wrong with being annoyed with someone repeatedly lying to your face.  The reality is, no matter what you're being told, most voters don't agree with you.  Common sense still wins this, even if it's in short supply in some circles.

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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #523 on: September 11, 2024, 01:38:24 pm »
I simply don't believe you @libertybele   You've attacked him without mercy for too long @libertybele --- as it is your right to do.

There are others, but DeSantis is not one of them.  He's been AWOL --- and since RDS is not helpful with Independents, his absence is a good thing, so no harm, no foul.

Careful @Right_in_Virginia your disdain for DeSantis is showing.  He just did an interview on Hannity voicing a positive opinion for Trump and a negative opinion about ABC on last nights debate.  He is NOT completely awol as you claim. He has done some fundraising for him and in July he did a couple of pro Trump speeches.

What do you expect from a man whom Trump wrongly trashed unashamedly?

Look -- this thread is about Trump's debate last night-- I'm not trying to turn this thread into a Trump vs. DeSantis which is pretty futile at this point.

Regardless -- and we all knew it -- ABC skewed the debate for Harris and she did better than most expected as a result.
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Re: Trump-Harris Presidential Debate
« Reply #524 on: September 11, 2024, 01:50:13 pm »
The RNC’s Addiction to Media Debates

It's 2024. There is no reason to have an ABC News debate.

September 11, 2024 by Daniel Greenfield

It’s 2024. Most people don’t get their news from watching TV. They get it online.

Podcasts, streaming and social media far outclass CNN, ABC News and other legacy media outlets.

There are precisely zero reasons to let corporate media news outlets monopolize presidential debates even if they weren’t shamelessly biased hacks relentlessly driven to rig debates and coverage for their candidates.

And yet here we are.

The RNC sensibly pulled out of the Commission on Presidential Debates only to then cut a series of bad deals with the media. What the purpose of pulling out of the Commission was, I can’t fathom, unless it was to exclude RFK Jr, if the response was to double down on having CNN, ABC News and all the rest host debates.

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