Is Trump a liar?

[catfish1957]

Translation: never a conservative, not even close.

If I had the time or energy, I'd post everyone of his hilarous lies.  The left wing talking points almost looked canned.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Trump wants Nanny Government to pay for IVF.  That ain't con$ervative.

[banddag]

GTH...  From oil, to EV's, to climate change, to QE in the late '00's.  You have been a living breathing lying machine.  All anyone has to do, is peruse the shit you posted April and May of this year to get an idea. Proof enough bud, without wasting my time.

lol....  Trollz gotta be trollz.   Do you have your ready supply of links from MSN. The Hill, and the Guardian links to spread your bullshit?

Biggest lie of all?  Claiming to be a former conservative.

You think everyone who does not follow your own narrow definition of a conservative is liberal.  53% of conservatives  now believe that man has some part in climate change and that figure is growing each year. Majority of conservatives had the vaccine but based upon the anti vaccine loud shrill contingent of the conservative movement if you are for the vaccines you are  a liberal. I could go on and on.

@catfish1957

[catfish1957]

You think everyone who does not follow your own narrow definition of a conservative is liberal.  53% of conservatives  now believe that man has some part in climate change and that figure is growing each year. Majority of conservatives had the vaccine but based upon the anti vaccine loud shrill contingent of the conservative movement if you are for the vaccines you are  a liberal. I could go on and on.

@catfish1957

I was a lifelong environmental professional that included meteorological training.  I was the company regional POC for tropical development planning, and execution   I guess that 53% knows more than I do.

53%???   Actually, I am guessing that's another lie.

[Bigun]

I was a lifelong environmental professional that included metoerological training.  I was the company regional POC for tropical development planning, and execution   I guess that 53% knows more than I do.

53%???   Actually, I am guessing that's another lie.

No need to guess with that one! He works best with the ignore feature.

[catfish1957]

No need to guess with that one! He works best with the ignore feature.

He's on the iggy list,  but unfort. the re:'s don't mask his bullshit.

[banddag]

No need to guess with that one! He works best with the ignore feature.

Are you positions so weak you cannot read an counterviews?
@Bigun

[banddag]

53%???   Actually, I am guessing that's another lie.

I back up every statement I make with links. Actually other sites have a greater number but do not show exact stats like Pew

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2019/11/25/u-s-public-views-on-climate-and-energy/

@catfish1957

[LMAO]

Trump wants Nanny Government to pay for IVF.  That ain't con$ervative.

And he wants to mandate insurance companies to pay for it, also. This was one of our big oppositions to Obamacare. It forced insurance companies to cover things that people didn’t need like maternity care for 70-year-olds.

But I noticed a deafening silence here on this issue. This is the problem of Trump getting back in the White House. We would have to fight his supporters over stupid ideas like this


You don’t believe that government should be telling what services a private business should supply? You’re a liberal


You have trouble with another eight to $10 trillion added onto the debt? You’re never Trumper liberal


You oppose trade protectionism? You’re a leftist

Like the free market?  You hate Trump

It would be a four year war of conservatives vs MAGAs. We have enough of our work cut out for us fighting just the left. MAGAs joining them makes the task much more impossible

[Cyber Liberty]

Post those 11 lies, each one.  BTW what did I say above that is untrue. People are leaving maga in droves. Get off the right wing  mutual masturbation circle jerk sites and learn something for a change

@catfish1957

Try that without personally attacking other Members, please.

[Sighlass]

And he wants to mandate insurance companies to pay for it, also. This was one of our big oppositions to Obamacare. It forced insurance companies to cover things that people didn’t need like maternity care for 70-year-olds.

But I noticed a deafening silence here on this issue. This is the problem of Trump getting back in the White House. We would have to fight his supporters over stupid ideas like this


You don’t believe that government should be telling what services a private business should supply? You’re a liberal


You have trouble with another eight to $10 trillion added onto the debt? You’re never Trumper liberal


You oppose trade protectionism? You’re a leftist

Like the free market?  You hate Trump

It would be a four year war of conservatives vs MAGAs. We have enough of our work cut out for us fighting just the left. MAGAs joining them makes the task much more impossible

Ain't that the kicker, I like a lot of the folks here at TBR.... good folks... we just disagree on a lot of things because Trump gets in the way. Ain't no politician perfect of course, but often Trump is so off the mark with my positions that it is hard to stay silent. Here lately it is getting harder to find something I agree with him with that isn't so generic watered down that it hardly stands as a position etched in conservatism.

[banddag]

Try that without personally attacking other Members, please.

I apologize, guy called me a liberal, troll and liar and follows me from post to post and unjustly attacks me.  I have never placed anyone on ignore and  never will. I will change the comment.

@Cyber Liberty

[Cyber Liberty]

I apologize, guy called me a liberal, troll and liar and follows me from post to post and unjustly attacks me.  I have never placed anyone on ignore and  never will. I will change the comment.

@Cyber Liberty

I didn't like that either.  I'd just like to see more arguments, on the merits. Problem is, it seems impossible to get a handle on threads about Trump.  They always turn into fistfights.   

[Smokin Joe]

Are you positions so weak you cannot read an counterviews?
@Bigun

I read counterviews as long as I can stand it. Most are pure BS.
What I have a really low threshold for are lies intended to deceive so bad policy can be emplaced.

Those are all over the media, and I saw some just this morning in a purported documentary. The filmmaker alleged that ultimately, fraccing provided the moivation for a triple murder. After pointing out fraccing is common in  the area of Williston, ND, it was heavily implied that (after showing a faucet being lit) fraccing may have been the cause of a kitchen fire that claimed the life of the killer's child (there are lots of ways to burn down a kitchen, none of which involve fraccing).

Only the water in Williston and surroundings, via Rural Water, is taken from the Missouri River, and by the time it is processed, has zero natural gas in it. As a geologist, I know of no local water wells which have natural gas in them, either. So an interesting film about a constitutional loophole in a murder case became an anti-fraccing screed. It just pissed me off. (What's worse, is that if the killer believed fraccing was the cause of all his problems, three young men were murdered to 'get even' with the wrong people, likely because of the similar propaganda spewed by the ignorant to push their agendas.)

[Smokin Joe]

And he wants to mandate insurance companies to pay for it, also. This was one of our big oppositions to Obamacare. It forced insurance companies to cover things that people didn’t need like maternity care for 70-year-olds.

But I noticed a deafening silence here on this issue. This is the problem of Trump getting back in the White House. We would have to fight his supporters over stupid ideas like this


You don’t believe that government should be telling what services a private business should supply? You’re a liberal


You have trouble with another eight to $10 trillion added onto the debt? You’re never Trumper liberal


You oppose trade protectionism? You’re a leftist

Like the free market?  You hate Trump

It would be a four year war of conservatives vs MAGAs. We have enough of our work cut out for us fighting just the left. MAGAs joining them makes the task much more impossible

Your words.

I have no doubt that if Biden did what Trump did, the outrage here would be unanimous


And this is a window of what a Trump second term would look like. His sycophants defending every dumb move he makes and insisting others keep quiet about them because…..But Democrats


No thanks. I’ll take my chances with a President Harris were at least there will be unity here when it comes to condemning her stupid acts, proposals,  and statements

You expressed support for a candidate that would be, without a doubt, the worst choice in US History.
You crossed that line.

[berdie]

To the subject of the original OP:

It is said that Trump isn't a politician. Of course he is. So since I think all politicians lie to get elected I include him.

However, I'll lay some blame on the voters. In the immortal words of Mad Jack...."You (we) can't handle the truth".  Not to include the very intelligent posters on this board. There was a pol running for president (too lazy to look his name up) that came out and said taxes would be raised. He lost.

 

[LMAO]

Your words.
You expressed support for a candidate that would be, without a doubt, the worst choice in US History.
You crossed that line.

Thanks for making my point


 I didn't say I supported Harris. Stop twisting my words. However, dead silence from his supporters here over Trump's big government IVF plan as a perfect example of what I'm talking about.  I guarantee there would be universal   outrage here if Harris proposed this. And this is a taste of a Trump second term. Too many of his supporters are afraid to call out his stupid ideas and behaviors as they are paralyzed by loyalty to him. That wouldn't happen with a Harris administration

The choice is Harris or Harris lite. That's how I see it.

[Hoodat]

Keep your head in the sand. People are wary of "you  must have 100% loyalty to Trump". stance and nothing else. People are worried  .  .  .

@banddag

The fact that you are only discovering this now after nine years tells me that you really don't know any Conservatives.  So when you talk about reading "other sources you will find many conservatives are starting to leave Trump in droves", I can only assume you meant DU and DailyKos.  Because if you actually read Conservative sources, you would already know what Conservatives think about Trump.

It has been an open book for nine years now.  Yet you are just now seeing it?  You expose yourself.

Normally, I would say 'stick around.  You might learn something.'   But nine years?  It tells me that you aren't teachable.

btw, you never did explain why you support government handing out massive corporate welfare for Chinese battery makers while giving the shaft to small scale composite tank makers.  But then that would require critical thought on your part - something you were clearly born without.

[Smokin Joe]

Thanks for making my point


 I didn't say I supported Harris. Stop twisting my words. However, dead silence from his supporters here over Trump's big government IVF plan as a perfect example of what I'm talking about.  I guarantee there would be universal   outrage here if Harris proposed this. And this is a taste of a Trump second term. Too many of his supporters are afraid to call out his stupid ideas and behaviors as they are paralyzed by loyalty to him. That wouldn't happen with a Harris administration

The choice is Harris or Harris lite. That's how I see it.

No thanks. I’ll take my chances with a President Harris were at least there will be unity here when it comes to condemning her stupid acts, proposals,  and statements

Your words speak for themselves. I'm not some Trump worshiper. I'm not happy with our choices.

But Kamala is definitely not a choice as far as I am concerned, and I am all for keeping her out of the White House. Just Trump's energy policies alone stand in stark and necessary contrast to the Green New Deal and electric car mandates.

[catfish1957]

Thanks for making my point


 I didn't say I supported Harris. Stop twisting my words. However, dead silence from his supporters here over Trump's big government IVF plan as a perfect example of what I'm talking about.  I guarantee there would be universal   outrage here if Harris proposed this. And this is a taste of a Trump second term. Too many of his supporters are afraid to call out his stupid ideas and behaviors as they are paralyzed by loyalty to him. That wouldn't happen with a Harris administration

The choice is Harris or Harris lite. That's how I see it.

You know I am not a Trump fan, but I am fearful of a Kamel-uh admin taxing unrealized capital gains. And the same Kamel-uh who will allow citizenship to millions who illegally came across the border.

Those two alone make it enough of a binary call. 

[LMAO]

Ain't that the kicker, I like a lot of the folks here at TBR.... good folks... we just disagree on a lot of things because Trump gets in the way. Ain't no politician perfect of course, but often Trump is so off the mark with my positions that it is hard to stay silent. Here lately it is getting harder to find something I agree with him with that isn't so generic watered down that it hardly stands as a position etched in conservatism.

Trump got 12% of the Bernie voters in 2016. I think he believes his leftward shift will pull them in again

Not with Harris/Walz it won't. Democrats are to this ticket like we would be with a Reagan/Coolidge ticket

[berdie]

You know I am not a Trump fan, but I am fearful of a Kamel-uh admin taxing unrealized capital gains. And the same Kamel-uh who will allow citizenship to millions who illegally came across the border.

Those two alone make it enough of a binary call.

Adding in the desire of packing the SC and the demolition of the filibuster.

Don't really want to vote Trump...but unless he does something really crazy, I will. It's a long time until November.

[massadvj]

 

Right there with you Victor! @massadvj I'm not looking for a new drinking buddy.

[Hoodat]

I back up every statement I make with links.

No you don't.

[Cyber Liberty]

To the subject of the original OP:

It is said that Trump isn't a politician. Of course he is. So since I think all politicians lie to get elected I include him.

However, I'll lay some blame on the voters. In the immortal words of Mad Jack...."You (we) can't handle the truth".  Not to include the very intelligent posters on this board. There was a pol running for president (too lazy to look his name up) that came out and said taxes would be raised. He lost.

I believe that was Mondull, and he lost 49 states.