Is Trump a liar?

[roamer_1]

DeSantis isn't in this election. Harris and Trump are. You may as well scream at the sky until blood blasts out of your throat you will not change this fact.

Oh I know I ain't gonna change the fact. The fact is that I have no dog in this hunt.

That said your choices are:

*Vote for Harris
*Vote for Trump
*Don't vote and you'll most likely improve the value of a Democrat vote in your state.

I'm already declared - I will not vote the top of the ticket.
I will not support big government on the Right. EVER.
I ain't buying what you're selling.

As to the middle of the ticket, I will look for and support conservatives, and only conservatives... Because that is what I am here for.

Not to support phony-baloney parties and candidates that are the exact opposite of what I want.
 

Your choices also include:

*Continue shitting on Trump in this topic and in this forum when he's the GOP nominee and in doing so you are absolutely campaigning for Harris against Trump. You are and I refuse to accuse you of being so damned stupid that you believe otherwise.

Oh bullshit. Flack from me is well deserved. This is a Conservative forum, and I will stand on Conservatism, like I always have. You want my vote... You want my support... Try lifting up a Conservative next time.

Until then, I will remain in opposition. And I will stand up and yell about it.

If you don't want me to cuss your candidate as a proven liar, then next time, don't lift up such a scurrilous candidate.

*Be hateful enough against Trump that you decide to reregister D and then openly campaign for Harris because the Orange Man is eeeeebil.

LOL! It don't matter, Democrat or MAGA. It's all the same big government y'all have aligned yourselves to...
Let the chips fall where they may.

/.

[roamer_1]

Ain't that the kicker, I like a lot of the folks here at TBR.... good folks... we just disagree on a lot of things because Trump gets in the way. Ain't no politician perfect of course, but often Trump is so off the mark with my positions that it is hard to stay silent. Here lately it is getting harder to find something I agree with him with that isn't so generic watered down that it hardly stands as a position etched in conservatism.

As it goes there are more and more people ready to draw a hard line... Even in the midst of the many whose vote is only in fear of Democrats.

And the more there are like you and me, the more likely next time they will be shopping for that Conservative vote. So I will stand with you, and my few fellows hereon - And consider myself in good company.

You speak my language.

[Hoodat]

There was a pol running for president (too lazy to look his name up) that came out and said taxes would be raised. He lost.

Obama promised to raise taxes in 2008.  He won.  Biden did the same in 2020.  He also won.

Back in the days of Walter Mondale, any promise of raising taxes spelled defeat to any Democrat.  But since 2008, Republicans have been letting Democrats choose their candidates for them.  So a Democrat can get away with it when John McCain or Donald Trump is your opponent.

[DB]

Obama promised to raise taxes in 2008.  He won.  Biden did the same in 2020.  He also won.

Back in the days of Walter Mondale, any promise of raising taxes spelled defeat to any Democrat.  But since 2008, Republicans have been letting Democrats choose their candidates for them.  So a Democrat can get away with it when John McCain or Donald Trump is your opponent.

It is simply because the takers outnumber the makers now.

[roamer_1]

It is simply because the takers outnumber the makers now.

On the Right.

[Hoodat]

It is simply because the takers outnumber the makers now.

Yes.  The Taxpayers are now a slave class to those who do not pay taxes.  Those who do not (the majority) will vote in any and every tax increase or spending increase that comes their way.

[roamer_1]

Yes.  The Taxpayers are now a slave class to those who do not pay taxes.  Those who do not (the majority) will vote in any and every tax increase or spending increase that comes their way.

On the Right.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Interesting that you can see his lies so clearly, and yet sanction the LIES that the Democrats are spewing about everything and everyone.

That is a consistency in a NT and yes, they are proud of that fact.

[Bigun]

That is a consistency in a NT and yes, they are proud of that fact.

I have concluded that there are a few posting here that claim to be conservative but have never voted that way in their entire lives.

[roamer_1]

That is a consistency in a NT and yes, they are proud of that fact.

Oh bullshit. What's the takeaway supposed to be from that? Democrat lies are worse than Tumpy lies? Democrat lies make Tumpy's lies OK? We must take the fact that he lies off the table because the Democrats lie too, so you get a liar either way?

What infantile, 3rd grade psychiatry must one adhere to to accept the sale?

He's a liar. A perpetual liar. And a man of low brow.
He is not a man of integrity and good character.

That means you cannot believe a single damn thing he says.
And I find that to be unconscionable... Something I will not recommend to the highest office in the land.

Democrats don't have a damn thing to do with it.

[LMAO]

Oh bullshit. What's the takeaway supposed to be from that? Democrat lies are worse than Tumpy lies? Democrat lies make Tumpy's lies OK? We must take the fact that he lies off the table because the Democrats lie too, so you get a liar either way?

What infantile, 3rd grade psychiatry must one adhere to to accept the sale?

He's a liar. A perpetual liar. And a man of low brow.
He is not a man of integrity and good character.

That means you cannot believe a single damn thing he says.
And I find that to be unconscionable... Something I will not recommend to the highest office in the land.

Democrats don't have a damn thing to do with it.

@roamer_1

Expect more posts like that as his campaign continues to falter. You know where you stand on these issues. I know where I stand.  Neither of us have to explain ourselves to them


 Nobody here would ever mistaken you for a Democrat or a liberal. And posters that claim otherwise also know that. They’re just upset that you and I and many other conservatives refuse to vote  for their cartoon character


It’s just their way of lashing out. Let them. As his campaign further falters, his supporters will use fear and personal insults to try to convince folks to vote Trump. Ignore them


What I find mildly amusing is them accusing us of being leftists when their own boy is further to the left on many of these issues than we are

[the OlLine Rebel]

I agree with many of the statements put forth in the editorial about Trump.

I don't know if Trump "lies", but he sure is hyperbolic with everything.  Lots of "untruths", for sure.

Best economy ever; EVER.  Worst president ever; EVER.  I had the best growth in 4 years ANYONE ever had!  Cut most regulations ever!  I'm more loved than Lincoln or Washington likely!

All untrue, pretty provably.  Even the Lincoln thing pretty provable.

I despise Trump's untruths (hyperbole tied up in his ego) as well as so much of what he says to insult and stir the pot, and not crazy about alot of his apparent beliefs and policies, or what he did.

I'll vote for him, but I am not an enthusiast at all.  About as much or worse(!) than Bush/McCain/Romney/Dole....still feel like I'm holding my nose.

[Smokin Joe]

Oh bullshit. What's the takeaway supposed to be from that? Democrat lies are worse than Tumpy lies? Democrat lies make Tumpy's lies OK? We must take the fact that he lies off the table because the Democrats lie too, so you get a liar either way?

What infantile, 3rd grade psychiatry must one adhere to to accept the sale?

He's a liar. A perpetual liar. And a man of low brow.
He is not a man of integrity and good character.

That means you cannot believe a single damn thing he says.
And I find that to be unconscionable... Something I will not recommend to the highest office in the land.

Democrats don't have a damn thing to do with it.

My friend, it isn't the Democrats' lies that are the scary part. We know they lie, and I can't say I am happy about lies from either side.

The thing I find unacceptable is when Democrats tell the truth about their plans for this country.

Those plans will finish what Obama started. A 'fundamental transformation' from a Republic to a totalitarian State. They do not acknowledge the SCOTUS and keep trying crap even when it has been ruled against, they leave the border open, they would make a drunken sailor blush the way they go through money, they want to cripple our energy industry (and have gone a long way toward that, by edict, not legislation, they are for every imaginable perversion including the mutilation of children without parental consent, they are for killing babies not jut in the womb, but at full term and even beyond.
Sorry, but I am morally obligated to oppose that as best I can.
The options suck,  none are Conservative, just back to lesser evil, but the lesser evil is considerable less evil than the greater one, and there is a chance, at least that progress will be made in the right direction, as opposed to the wrong one.
There's a lot of hype flying around out there, on both sides, but one side is exaggerating a bit, and the other is telling outright lies to cover their plans.
You do you. I respect that.
I have been there.
You aren't favoring either, because neither comes up to your standards.
But this is one hoedown I just can't be a wallflower for.
God used David who wasn't perfect, too. The other side doesn't want Him mentioned, and Walz even made it hard for a Christian to get a job as a teacher by signing off on some of the most anti-christian legislation ever.

[Smokin Joe]

@roamer_1

Expect more posts like that as his campaign continues to falter. You know where you stand on these issues. I know where I stand.  Neither of us have to explain ourselves to them


 Nobody here would ever mistaken you for a Democrat or a liberal. And posters that claim otherwise also know that. They’re just upset that you and I and many other conservatives refuse to vote  for their cartoon character


It’s just their way of lashing out. Let them. As his campaign further falters, his supporters will use fear and personal insults to try to convince folks to vote Trump. Ignore them


What I find mildly amusing is them accusing us of being leftists when their own boy is further to the left on many of these issues than we are

Twice that I have caught it (maybe more) you said Kamala might be better.
Nope. What are we supposed to think?
If it walks like a duck...

[banddag]

@banddag

  So when you talk about reading "other sources you will find many conservatives are starting to leave Trump in droves", I can only assume you meant DU and DailyKos.  Because if you actually read Conservative sources, you would already know what Conservatives think about Trump.

It has been an open book for nine years now.  Yet you are just now seeing it?  You expose yourself.



btw, you never did explain why you support government handing out massive corporate welfare for Chinese battery makers while giving the shaft to small scale composite tank makers.  But then that would require critical thought on your part - something you were clearly born without.

1. Never trumpers/people leaving Trump has always been around but not like as of this year.   For instance, I have noticed this year on FR  numerous people, many posters, a growing amount openly speaking out against Trump and not being zotted. This would never have happened 2-3-4 years ago.  It would have been an automatic zot. Why is that? JR has been good at picking trends. He knows the tide is turning against trump. I do have to give him that credit.

Numerous articles on the  net this year talking about the growing numbers of people leaving maga/Trump. Google is your friend.

Show me any GOP nominee for president that has so many gov't officials against him. And don't give me that deep state crap. Many of these are his ex cabinet officials he put into office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_Donald_Trump_2024_presidential_campaign

2. Show me  the post  where I said  I support the US govt' helping Chinese battery makers. I detest the chinese. I was on FR back in the Bush days when conservatives on FR was loving free trade with China and I was bashed back then. Back when Limbaugh and Hannity openly praised our trade with China and so did most conservatives.

I DID SAY  we need to subsidize our homegrown EV co's because other countries such as China, S Korea, Vietnam are HEAVILY subsidizing their own EV companies putting our ev co's at a disadvantage.

Show me the post.
@Hoodat

[banddag]

You know I am not a Trump fan, but I am fearful of a Kamel-uh admin taxing unrealized capital gains.

The unrealized cg plan is for high worth individuals with $100 million net worth plus who pay little or no income taxes.

40-50% of the American people cannot come up with $1000 cash for an emergency. 60-70% going paycheck to paycheck. SS is going broke, 29% of 62 year olds have zero retirement savings and the rest do not have enough.  Just disclosed several weeks ago 1/2 the US workers have stopped funding their 401k or cut back what they pay into it drastically or taking out loans against it.

If granny had to pay capital gains on her house or the middle class on their meager 401k it would destroy the housing industry, wall street, banking industry. It would be political suicide for any politician to vote it in and would probably lead to armed revolt. The CoC, banking industry, housing industry and Wall Street would never allow it to pass. The only thing that may pass is a small increase on corporate profits and it will probably be negotiated with numerous caveats.

Fear porn and misinformation has gripped conservatives. I do not like Harris. I wanted DeSantis but this fear mongering and misinformation is out of control.
@catfish1957

[libertybele]

@banddag @roamer_1 @LMAO

I'm not out to persuade you one way or another. I used to vote for the candidate that would take this country forward in a more conservative direction.  We don't have that option this time around and I truly, deeply fear that this will be the last election for this country; at least for the GOP, due to changing demographics and stolen elections.  Both very troubling, but it's been that way for awhile.

Right now it's not even a matter of voting for the most conservative candidate; arguments obviously can be made that Trump is not a fiscal conservative.  That's a no brainer.  However, it is equally obvious that Trump is pro-America and pro-Christian and Harris is anti-American and anti-Christian.

I'll take the pro-American and pro-Christian any day; our country was founded upon Christian beliefs and principles.

That vote choice however is an individual one. For me it is a very simple choice. 

Peace.

[massadvj]

The only thing that may pass is a small increase on corporate profits and it will probably be negotiated with numerous caveats.

So you are saying Harris should not be taken at her word? 

[catfish1957]

The unrealized cg plan is for high worth individuals with $100 million net worth plus who pay little or no income taxes.

40-50% of the American people cannot come up with $1000 cash for an emergency. 60-70% going paycheck to paycheck. SS is going broke, 29% of 62 year olds have zero retirement savings and the rest do not have enough.  Just disclosed several weeks ago 1/2 the US workers have stopped funding their 401k or cut back what they pay into it drastically or taking out loans against it.

If granny had to pay capital gains on her house or the middle class on their meager 401k it would destroy the housing industry, wall street, banking industry. It would be political suicide for any politician to vote it in and would probably lead to armed revolt. The CoC, banking industry, housing industry and Wall Street would never allow it to pass. The only thing that may pass is a small increase on corporate profits and it will probably be negotiated with numerous caveats.

Fear porn and misinformation has gripped conservatives. I do not like Harris. I wanted DeSantis but this fear mongering and misinformation is out of control.
@catfish1957

$100M, becomes $10M, etc.  in no time, in true socialist fashion.  If you are too naïve not to realize that, then I really feel sorry for you.  Obama Care is a prime example

Bottom line...   You never let a socialist get a foot in the door on these items.

[LMAO]

Twice that I have caught it (maybe more) you said Kamala might be better.
Nope. What are we supposed to think?
If it walks like a duck...

For posters who might be wondering what this means, it comes from a post I made that, due to the current condition of the Republican Party of conservatives vs MAGAs, I would take my chances with the Harris presidency where at least there would be some semblance of unity against her progressive push amongst the GOP vs a Trump presidency were loyalty to Trump  would be demanded by his supporters from the GOP or risk a primary challenge. We saw this during his presidency with Covid. I never said that Harris would be good for the country.


Evidently, that sent this particular poster into such emotional convulsions that he follows me from thread to thread posting this….lol


I’m actually finding it quite amusing. And telling. Because he unwittingly keeps making my point in doing such.

[banddag]

@banddag @roamer_1 @LMAO

I'm not out to persuade you one way or another.
Peace.

I do  not like  Harris. Walz gives me the creeps. Something is off with that guy. I do not like Trump at all. Most likely I will vote for Trump when it comes down to it but will not like it.

@libertybele

[catfish1957]

I do  not like  Harris. Walz gives me the creeps. Something is off with that guy. I do not like Trump at all. Most likely I will vote for Trump when it comes down to it but will not like it.

@libertybele

From your posting history, why would we even remotely believe you?

[banddag]

So you are saying Harris should not be taken at her word?

The large corporations, bankers, Wall street control the politicians. It does not really matter what they say. Trump if elected will not deport millions of people. He is already back peddling on that promise.

I remember when Biden said he was going to destroy the oil and gas industry yet record oil and gas production under his presidency. The highest amount in our nations history.

I remember well Limbaugh saying the Clintons were communist and would destroy the economy and lead to another depression. Yet the 1990's  was one of the greatest economic times in our history. Yeah yeah we had a republican House and Senate but still.

I would take Bill Clinton back (minus Hillary) over Harris and Trump any day.

@massadvj

[catfish1957]

I do  not like  Harris. Walz gives me the creeps. Something is off with that guy. I do not like Trump at all. Most likely I will vote for Trump when it comes down to it but will not like it.

@libertybele

I guess you'll claim this wasn't discussed either....

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/democrats-put-401k-and-ira-restrictions-back-into-build-back-better.html

[banddag]

From your posting history, why would we even remotely believe you?

As I said the other day, anyone who is not 100% lockstep in your own narrow, strict  definition of a conservative is  a liberal to you.
@catfish1957

PS. I am a republican poll worker. I just hate Trump, I believe man has some part to climate change and think the vaccine did more good than harm. I think the harmful affects  were mostly BS. Just as  the 83 year old say  6 months after the shot his wife had a stroke/heart attacks/extra flatuence/facial acne back he blames it on the shot.   NO idiot,  your wife is 82 years old and would have had the stroke anyway. She is 82 fricken years old.

@catfish1957