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Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« on: August 19, 2024, 10:17:05 am »
Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
August 19, 2024 | Tom Tillison

House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) dropped a subtle hint that Democrats may not certify the November election if former President Donald Trump is elected to office a second time.

The Democrat leader was responding to a biased question from CNN anchor Jake Tapper during an appearance Sunday on State of the Union when he spoke about stopping Trump from assuming control of the U.S. government

Tapper asked Jeffries about whether a Republican-led House would vote against certifying the presidential election results if Kamala Harris prevailed — the CNN anchor regurgitating Democratic talking points to insinuate that Trump is beginning to accept his inevitable defeat.

“Donald Trump and his allies are already starting to lay the groundwork to contest the election results in November,” Tapper said. “Are you confident that a Republican-led House will certify the 2024 election in January?”


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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2024, 10:34:13 am »
I'll think I'll puke the next time some slimey POS dim like this claims insurrection.  These f'ers live it daily.   Any government putting their citizens at risk with the debt we have, deserves imprisonment.   ALL OF THEM!!!!!  Rot in jail Jeffy.
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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2024, 11:32:27 am »
Yes, save Democracy by dismissing the Will of the People.   ****slapping
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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2024, 08:33:05 pm »
Not sure what some Trump supporters are complaining about.  A whole lot of them, as well as Trump himself, have claimed that the Vice-President (Kamala Harris this time around...) has the unilateral right to refuse to open ballots from the Electoral College, preventing certification of the Election.  Regardless of what Congress or the Supreme Court says.

If Pence had the right to do that, so does Kamala Harris.
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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2024, 09:14:18 pm »
Not sure what some Trump supporters are complaining about.  A whole lot of them, as well as Trump himself, have claimed that the Vice-President (Kamala Harris this time around...) has the unilateral right to refuse to open ballots from the Electoral College, preventing certification of the Election.  Regardless of what Congress or the Supreme Court says.

If Pence had the right to do, so does Kamala Harris.

Pence had the obligation to hear objections from Cruz and Hawley.  Neither one IIRC ever stated that Pence had the right to not certify the election.  Those objections were never heard or recognized because the Senate was interrupted by insurrectionists (planned by Pelosi & Co. and Pence was in on it).  Pence did NOT do his duty -- he should have at least heard the objections.

Would it have made a difference?? We'll never know. Instead we have people grossly mistreated and incarcerated due to the supposed J6 insurrection.  We have a SCOTUS that looked away at the obvious.

I don't have any doubt that Harris will be seated. None whatsoever.

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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2024, 09:29:38 pm »
Pence had the obligation to hear objections from Cruz and Hawley.  Neither one IIRC ever stated that Pence had the right to not certify the election.  Those objections were never heard or recognized

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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2024, 10:09:15 pm »
Pence had the obligation to hear objections from Cruz and Hawley.  Neither one IIRC ever stated that Pence had the right to not certify the election.


That wasn't it at all.  Pence never said Congress wouldn't hear the objections, and in fact Congress was in the process of hearing the objections when the riot interrupted.   That was never the issue.  And as I've pointed out here rather exhaustively, those objections were heard and were voted upon the evening of the 6th/early morning of the 7th when Congress reconvened after the riots.  So nobody would have any reason to complain about Pence if that was all they were asking.

What Trump and many of his supporters claimed/demanded was that Pence should refuse to open the ballots for counting, and instead direct the states to continue investigating.  Only after that investigation was completed in however many weeks would the ballots be counted.

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Those objections were never heard or recognized because the Senate was interrupted by insurrectionists (planned by Pelosi & Co. and Pence was in on it).  Pence did NOT do his duty -- he should have at least heard the objections.

Um....you don't remember that you and I have gone around this probably half a dozen times, with me posting the links to the actual debates and votes that happened, and you eventually agreeing that yes, it did happen despite early post-riot rumors that it might not?   Do I really need to link all that stuff again?

Here's a link to one of those prior discussions.   You can literally watch the vote as it occurs.  I watched it live.  There were rumors that afternoon that it wouldn't happen because off the riot, but it did.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,508223.msg2881254.html#msg2881254

Also, you claim that the vote never happened because of the riots .   But then why were they so mad at Pence before the riot ever happened??
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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2024, 02:19:24 am »
Won't be an issue.  Harris will win straight up or there are enough phony ballots (millions I am sure) to push her above Trump to win.  And then there are the ones and zeroes that get altered in the dark hours of the night to ensure a Democommie victory.

There is no way they will allow Trump to win again.  Not happening. 

And Harris winning will usher in inflation I believe like we have never seen before.

Harris will be the chaos and turmoil POTUS.  She may usher in the final collapse of this nation. 


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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2024, 08:47:43 am »
Won't be an issue.  Harris will win straight up or there are enough phony ballots (millions I am sure) to push her above Trump to win.  And then there are the ones and zeroes that get altered in the dark hours of the night to ensure a Democommie victory.

There is no way they will allow Trump to win again.  Not happening. 

And Harris winning will usher in inflation I believe like we have never seen before.

Harris will be the chaos and turmoil POTUS.  She may usher in the final collapse of this nation.

I think it's a winnable election still.  Just have to win in the swing states by more than the amount of cheating, just as it has always been since long before Trump.   

It's up to each candidate to maximize the number of legit votes they receive.

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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2024, 08:58:20 am »
I think it's a winnable election still.  Just have to win in the swing states by more than the amount of cheating, just as it has always been since long before Trump.   

It's up to each candidate to maximize the number of legit votes they receive.
The problem is that the Democrats are famous for 'finding' another truckload of ballots and counting until they win, even if they have to count some twice.

What's more, they have plenty of experience now, are more efficient than ever, and can easily pull this off.
The mechanisms are in place, and practiced. The algorithms are there, the software written.
They never suffered consequences for not being able to produce ballots or account for huge numbers more ballots than voters. Diddly shit has been done, and they will use this tried and true method again until it is stopped--but they, by virtue of past cheating, control the key offices to stop it, and the Federal agencies are corrupt. A pox on them all.
The media is already to put up the 'debunking' of "false claims" of election tampering because they, too. have had plenty of practice and they're on board all the way. They will present any complaints as an ongoing conspiracy theory, just like last time (and the time before).

If 50% of Americans actually vote for Harris, we need what the stock market calls a "correction" anyway.
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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2024, 12:29:53 pm »
The problem is that the Democrats are famous for 'finding' another truckload of ballots and counting until they win, even if they have to count some twice.

What's more, they have plenty of experience now, are more efficient than ever, and can easily pull this off.
The mechanisms are in place, and practiced. The algorithms are there, the software written.
They never suffered consequences for not being able to produce ballots or account for huge numbers more ballots than voters.

Where were there more ballots than voters?

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The media is already to put up the 'debunking' of "false claims" of election tampering because they, too. have had plenty of practice and they're on board all the way. They will present any complaints as an ongoing conspiracy theory, just like last time (and the time before).

This is why the "kitchen sink" approach is a bad idea.  Far too often, we throw up every allegation out there regardless of how strongly it has been vetted, which gives them the ability to cherry pick the weakest ones.  We would be much better off focusing solely on the strongest, most inarguable claims.  Otherwise, they are too likely to be drowned out in all the noise.

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If 50% of Americans actually vote for Harris, we need what the stock market calls a "correction" anyway.

50% of Americans won't, but I have no trouble believing that 50% of voters could.
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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2024, 12:37:22 pm »

If 50% of Americans actually vote for Harris, we need what the stock market calls a "correction" anyway.

Some data points out there says that 47% of the country relies on some form of gubmit handouts.  How do you compete with that. 
As long as that many have their lips surgically attached to the Fedzilla Hog hind teat, there is no solution. 

Entitlement junkies are not going to vote agaist that.
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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2024, 12:54:23 pm »
Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
August 19, 2024 | Tom Tillison

House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) dropped a subtle hint that Democrats may not certify the November election if former President Donald Trump is elected to office a second time.

The Democrat leader was responding to a biased question from CNN anchor Jake Tapper during an appearance Sunday on State of the Union when he spoke about stopping Trump from assuming control of the U.S. government

Tapper asked Jeffries about whether a Republican-led House would vote against certifying the presidential election results if Kamala Harris prevailed — the CNN anchor regurgitating Democratic talking points to insinuate that Trump is beginning to accept his inevitable defeat.

“Donald Trump and his allies are already starting to lay the groundwork to contest the election results in November,” Tapper said. “Are you confident that a Republican-led House will certify the 2024 election in January?”


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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2024, 12:56:46 pm »
Sounds like the mold is set that at least one side is going to accuse the other of stealing the election. 

This doesn't end well.
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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2024, 01:25:12 pm »
Sounds like the mold is set that at least one side is going to accuse the other of stealing the election. 

This doesn't end well.

Pretty much a guarantee at this point.
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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2024, 01:27:41 pm »
Some data points out there says that 47% of the country relies on some form of gubmit handouts.  How do you compete with that. 
As long as that many have their lips surgically attached to the Fedzilla Hog hind teat, there is no solution. 

Entitlement junkies are not going to vote agaist that.

This is part of the reason I don't understand those who claim that Trump can only lose if Democrats cheat.  Between that 47% and elitist progressives, they're well over 50%.

Not every net recipient is going to vote Democrat, but that's still a huge "base".

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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2024, 01:41:37 pm »
Won't be an issue.  Harris will win straight up or there are enough phony ballots (millions I am sure) to push her above Trump to win.  And then there are the ones and zeroes that get altered in the dark hours of the night to ensure a Democommie victory.

There is no way they will allow Trump to win again.  Not happening. 

And Harris winning will usher in inflation I believe like we have never seen before.

Harris will be the chaos and turmoil POTUS.  She may WILL usher in the final collapse of this nation.

I agree with everything you have stated; IMHO She WILL usher in the final collapse of this nation.

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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2024, 01:45:47 pm »
Sounds like the mold is set that at least one side is going to accuse the other of stealing the election. 

This doesn't end well.

With the protests going on right now in Chicago around convention, I think we're going to see major civil unrest in every major city regardless of who wins.  Especially if Trump wins and Jeffries refuses to certify the election.

The anti-Israeli protesters also are making other demands. It is getting very ugly already.  What is the DNC doing? 

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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2024, 01:58:41 pm »
Buck up you all


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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2024, 02:02:58 pm »
I agree with everything you have stated; IMHO She WILL usher in the final collapse of this nation.

Collapse is a strong word.  Will the USA dissolve?  More likely it will continue its slow decline into mediocrity.  Provided her party wins a working majority in congress, Kamala Harris will bring about institutional changes that give the left a permanent majority:  Additional states, expanded Supreme Court, amnesty, etc.  Without congress, she will continue the assault on economic freedom, stack the courts with progressives, and weaken our standing abroad.  The second option is reversible if the rightist factions grow up and and put forth viable candidates for office. 

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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2024, 02:18:04 pm »
Collapse is a strong word.  Will the USA dissolve?  More likely it will continue its slow decline into mediocrity.  Provided her party wins a working majority in congress, Kamala Harris will bring about institutional changes that give the left a permanent majority:  Additional states, expanded Supreme Court, amnesty, etc.  Without congress, she will continue the assault on economic freedom, stack the courts with progressives, and weaken our standing abroad.  The second option is reversible if the rightist factions grow up and and put forth viable candidates for office.

@cato potatoe    ?? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but if she wins, she will grant amnesty which will give the DEMS and overwhelmingly advantage over any GOP candidate. The DEMS will control all Houses and you won't see another GOP seated.  We will become a socialist nation at best; green energy, devaluation of the dollar and we will have nothing but a digital currency which they will control.  They will control what we own, eat and drink. 


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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2024, 02:35:52 pm »
@cato potatoe    ?? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but if she wins, she will grant amnesty which will give the DEMS and overwhelmingly advantage over any GOP candidate.

She does not have the legal authority to grant amnesty.   It would require Congressional action.

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Re: Jeffries hints Dems won’t certify election if Trump wins
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2024, 02:54:16 pm »
She does not have the legal authority to grant amnesty.   It would require Congressional action.

Yes I understand that .... but she could do so by an executive order.  Secondly, we have a very thin margin in the House and the Senate is in play as well (obviously).  I expect a blue tidal wave.
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