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The party frightened about the 'threat to our democracy' is nominating a wannabe tyrant.

Who (and this cannot be stressed enough) DID NOT GET A SINGLE PRIMARY VOTE

So much for THEIR DEMOCRACY!

But then, what Communist government wasn't labelled the 'Democratic Peoples Republic' or some such nonsense. They were all dictatorships who murdered their own citizens.
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Who (and this cannot be stressed enough) DID NOT GET A SINGLE PRIMARY VOTE

So much for THEIR DEMOCRACY!

But then, what Communist government wasn't labelled the 'Democratic Peoples Republic' or some such nonsense. They were all dictatorships who murdered their own citizens.

Absolutely.

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Of course she is

She is a leftist. That’s what they do.

The problem is price controls are popular. Because people think that government is “doing something.”  The problem is that “doing something” causes more harm than good.

In the short term, they will look like they work. It’s the long-term where they cause the most harm

Yes, they’re popular because most people are a)spoiled rotten b) selfish c) see only all the things they pay for, not what all those “evil rich” business people pay for, even if they are themselves both ends of the transaction.

And they have embraced the price control called “minimum wage” since socialist hero FDR institutionalized it, because it looks like they GET more money.  This typical price-control stuff looks as if they KEEP more money.  Again, selfish thinking that everyone else has to do things for free while one gets everything free.
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Yes, they’re popular because most people are a)spoiled rotten b) selfish c) see only all the things they pay for, not what all those “evil rich” business people pay for, even if they are themselves both ends of the transaction.

And they have embraced the price control called “minimum wage” since socialist hero FDR institutionalized it, because it looks like they GET more money.  This typical price-control stuff looks as if they KEEP more money.  Again, selfish thinking that everyone else has to do things for free while one gets everything free.

That's  right. Except add in some desperation. A lot of it.
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Remember when we had price controls on domestic oil under Jimmy Carter?




And what happened after this man scrapped those price controls?


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People need to stop overreacting about Kamala’s plan to reduce food inflation, as if it would lead to communism, mass starvation, and the end of America.

I worked in M&A in the food industry. Here’s a step-by-step summary of what would actually happen:

1. The government announces that grocery retailers aren’t allowed to raise prices.

2. Grocery stores, which operate on 1-2% net margins, can’t survive if their suppliers raise prices. So the government announces that food producers (Kraft Heinz, ConAgra, Tyson, Hormel, et. al.) also aren’t allowed to raise prices.

3. Not all grocery stores are created equal. Stores in lower-income areas make less money than those in higher-income areas, as the former disproportionately sell lower-margin prepackaged foods (“center of the store”) instead of higher-margin fresh products like meat (“perimeter of the store”). Because stores in lower-income areas aren’t able to cover overhead (remember, even if their wholesale costs are fixed, their labor, utilities, insurance, and other operating expenses aren’t fixed… yet), grocery chains start to shut them down. Food deserts in rural areas and in low-income urban areas alike become worse.

4. Meanwhile, margins for food producers are also quickly eroding. Their primary costs (ingredients, energy, and labor) aren’t fixed, and their shrinking gross profits leave less cash flow available to cover overhead, maintain facilities, and reinvest in additional production capacity.

5. Grocery chains, which have finite shelf space, start to repurpose their stores (those they didn’t have to shut down, I should say) to sell more non-price-controlled items—everything from nutrition supplements to kitchenware to apparel—and less price-controlled food products. Your local Kroger or Safeway starts to look and feel more like a Walmart.

6. Food producers stop making products with lower margins. Grocery chain start competing with each other to secure inventory. Since they can’t compete by offering stronger prices (remember, producers aren’t allowed to raise prices here, and, even if they could, grocery chains no longer have the gross profit to bear price increases), they compete on things like payment terms.

7. Small grocery chains start to shut down entirely, or get sold to larger chains like Kroger. In addition to not being able to cover fixed costs, a major reason for this is because they can no longer reliably secure delivery of products, due to producers prioritizing sales to larger customers, which are able to leverage their stronger balance sheets to offer superior payment terms.

8. Smaller food producers—which typically sell via distributors, rather than directly to grocery chains—start to go out of business. Because these producers have an additional step their value chains, and because they have lower volumes over which to spread their fixed costs, their cost structure is inherently disadvantaged compared to major food producers. When grocery stores aren’t able to raise prices, cutting product costs becomes all the more important, and deprioritizing purchases from smaller producers is an easy way to do so.

9. As supply chains break down, lines start to form outside grocery stores every morning. Cities assign police officers to patrol store parking lots, and food producers draft contingency plans to assign armed escorts to delivery trucks.

10. The federal government announces a program to issue block grants for states to purchase and operate shuttered grocery stores. The USDA also seizes closed-down production facilities.

11. The government announces that prices for all key food costs—corn, wheat, cattle, energy, etc.—are also now fixed, to stop “profiteers” from gouging the now-government-operated food industry.

12. Shockingly, the government struggles to operate one of the most complex industries on the planet. The entire food supply chain starts imploding.

13. Communism, mass starvation, and the end of America quickly ensue.

Hey wait a second
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By jove, I think you've got it. Addendum:
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You forgot a step that my parents went through.

12.5 Government can't manage the supply and demand, so they impose ration cards (in today's world, digital app). This controls what and amount you can purchase each month.

Black markets open, where people begin to trade things they don't need for things they need or other things.
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Remember when we had price controls on domestic oil under Jimmy Carter?




And what happened after this man scrapped those price controls?



Hmmm….


Perhaps history may repeated itself?

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Yes, they’re popular because most people are a)spoiled rotten b) selfish c) see only all the things they pay for, not what all those “evil rich” business people pay for, even if they are themselves both ends of the transaction.

And they have embraced the price control called “minimum wage” since socialist hero FDR institutionalized it, because it looks like they GET more money.  This typical price-control stuff looks as if they KEEP more money.  Again, selfish thinking that everyone else has to do things for free while one gets everything free.
Oh, they'll keep more money...and do without as the suppliers go 'Galt'.
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Didn't Nixon do this in the 70's?

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HOW KAMALA’S GROCERY PRICE CONTROLS WOULD WORK
AUGUST 17, 2024 BY STEVEN HAYWARD

A financial analyst I follow on Twitter/X, Robert Sterling, says everyone should calm down about Kamala’s grocery price controls idea. It’s actually worse than you think. Here’s his expectation from his Twitter column:

People need to stop overreacting about Kamala’s plan to reduce food inflation, as if it would lead to communism, mass starvation, and the end of America.

I worked in M&A in the food industry. Here’s a step-by-step summary of what would actually happen:

1. The government announces that grocery retailers aren’t allowed to raise prices.

2. Grocery stores, which operate on 1-2% net margins, can’t survive if their suppliers raise prices. So the government announces that food producers (Kraft Heinz, ConAgra, Tyson, Hormel, et. al.) also aren’t allowed to raise prices.

3. Not all grocery stores are created equal. Stores in lower-income areas make less money than those in higher-income areas, as the former disproportionately sell lower-margin prepackaged foods (“center of the store”) instead of higher-margin fresh products like meat (“perimeter of the store”). Because stores in lower-income areas aren’t able to cover overhead (remember, even if their wholesale costs are fixed, their labor, utilities, insurance, and other operating expenses aren’t fixed… yet), grocery chains start to shut them down. Food deserts in rural areas and in low-income urban areas alike become worse.

4. Meanwhile, margins for food producers are also quickly eroding. Their primary costs (ingredients, energy, and labor) aren’t fixed, and their shrinking gross profits leave less cash flow available to cover overhead, maintain facilities, and reinvest in additional production capacity.

5. Grocery chains, which have finite shelf space, start to repurpose their stores (those they didn’t have to shut down, I should say) to sell more non-price-controlled items—everything from nutrition supplements to kitchenware to apparel—and less price-controlled food products. Your local Kroger or Safeway starts to look and feel more like a Walmart.

6. Food producers stop making products with lower margins. Grocery chain start competing with each other to secure inventory. Since they can’t compete by offering stronger prices (remember, producers aren’t allowed to raise prices here, and, even if they could, grocery chains no longer have the gross profit to bear price increases), they compete on things like payment terms.

7. Small grocery chains start to shut down entirely, or get sold to larger chains like Kroger. In addition to not being able to cover fixed costs, a major reason for this is because they can no longer reliably secure delivery of products, due to producers prioritizing sales to larger customers, which are able to leverage their stronger balance sheets to offer superior payment terms.

8. Smaller food producers—which typically sell via distributors, rather than directly to grocery chains—start to go out of business. Because these producers have an additional step their value chains, and because they have lower volumes over which to spread their fixed costs, their cost structure is inherently disadvantaged compared to major food producers. When grocery stores aren’t able to raise prices, cutting product costs becomes all the more important, and deprioritizing purchases from smaller producers is an easy way to do so.

9. As supply chains break down, lines start to form outside grocery stores every morning. Cities assign police officers to patrol store parking lots, and food producers draft contingency plans to assign armed escorts to delivery trucks.

10. The federal government announces a program to issue block grants for states to purchase and operate shuttered grocery stores. The USDA also seizes closed-down production facilities.

11. The government announces that prices for all key food costs—corn, wheat, cattle, energy, etc.—are also now fixed, to stop “profiteers” from gouging the now-government-operated food industry.

12. Shockingly, the government struggles to operate one of the most complex industries on the planet. The entire food supply chain starts imploding.

13. Communism, mass starvation, and the end of America quickly ensue.

Hey wait a second. . .
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/08/how-kamalas-grocery-price-controls-would-work.php
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Didn't Nixon do this in the 70's?

In 1971. Was re elected in 1972. FDR  also. The first time they were used in this country was in the early 1900

So, they have been done before. Harris isn't the first. The "it will be the end of America" cries are hyperbole. But it will create shortages without solving the underlying problem

Competition will bring down costs

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In 1971. Was re elected in 1972. FDR  also. The first time they were used in this country was in the early 1900

So, they have been done before. Harris isn't the first. The "it will be the end of America" cries is hyperbole. But it will create shortages without solving the underlying problem

Competition will bring down costs

Exactly. Price controls just trade raising prices for shortages. Pick your poison. They're not a solution then and they're not a solution now.

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Exactly. Price controls just trade raising prices for shortages. Pick your poison. They're not a solution then and they're not a solution now.

It's as dumb an idea as Trump's proposed trade war

We have the two most economic illiterate candidate's running
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It's as dumb an idea as Trump's proposed trade war

We have the two most economic illiterate candidate's running

Except that one of the two candidates has an Economics degree.
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Except that one of the two candidates has an Economics degree.

Yup

Just like AOC :whistle:
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HOW KAMALA’S GROCERY PRICE CONTROLS WOULD WORK
AUGUST 17, 2024 BY STEVEN HAYWARD

A financial analyst I follow on Twitter/X, Robert Sterling, says everyone should calm down about Kamala’s grocery price controls idea. It’s actually worse than you think. Here’s his expectation from his Twitter column:

People need to stop overreacting about Kamala’s plan to reduce food inflation, as if it would lead to communism, mass starvation, and the end of America.

I worked in M&A in the food industry. Here’s a step-by-step summary of what would actually happen:

1. The government announces that grocery retailers aren’t allowed to raise prices.

2. Grocery stores, which operate on 1-2% net margins, can’t survive if their suppliers raise prices. So the government announces that food producers (Kraft Heinz, ConAgra, Tyson, Hormel, et. al.) also aren’t allowed to raise prices.

3. Not all grocery stores are created equal. Stores in lower-income areas make less money than those in higher-income areas, as the former disproportionately sell lower-margin prepackaged foods (“center of the store”) instead of higher-margin fresh products like meat (“perimeter of the store”). Because stores in lower-income areas aren’t able to cover overhead (remember, even if their wholesale costs are fixed, their labor, utilities, insurance, and other operating expenses aren’t fixed… yet), grocery chains start to shut them down. Food deserts in rural areas and in low-income urban areas alike become worse.

4. Meanwhile, margins for food producers are also quickly eroding. Their primary costs (ingredients, energy, and labor) aren’t fixed, and their shrinking gross profits leave less cash flow available to cover overhead, maintain facilities, and reinvest in additional production capacity.

5. Grocery chains, which have finite shelf space, start to repurpose their stores (those they didn’t have to shut down, I should say) to sell more non-price-controlled items—everything from nutrition supplements to kitchenware to apparel—and less price-controlled food products. Your local Kroger or Safeway starts to look and feel more like a Walmart.

6. Food producers stop making products with lower margins. Grocery chain start competing with each other to secure inventory. Since they can’t compete by offering stronger prices (remember, producers aren’t allowed to raise prices here, and, even if they could, grocery chains no longer have the gross profit to bear price increases), they compete on things like payment terms.

7. Small grocery chains start to shut down entirely, or get sold to larger chains like Kroger. In addition to not being able to cover fixed costs, a major reason for this is because they can no longer reliably secure delivery of products, due to producers prioritizing sales to larger customers, which are able to leverage their stronger balance sheets to offer superior payment terms.

8. Smaller food producers—which typically sell via distributors, rather than directly to grocery chains—start to go out of business. Because these producers have an additional step their value chains, and because they have lower volumes over which to spread their fixed costs, their cost structure is inherently disadvantaged compared to major food producers. When grocery stores aren’t able to raise prices, cutting product costs becomes all the more important, and deprioritizing purchases from smaller producers is an easy way to do so.

9. As supply chains break down, lines start to form outside grocery stores every morning. Cities assign police officers to patrol store parking lots, and food producers draft contingency plans to assign armed escorts to delivery trucks.

10. The federal government announces a program to issue block grants for states to purchase and operate shuttered grocery stores. The USDA also seizes closed-down production facilities.

11. The government announces that prices for all key food costs—corn, wheat, cattle, energy, etc.—are also now fixed, to stop “profiteers” from gouging the now-government-operated food industry.

12. Shockingly, the government struggles to operate one of the most complex industries on the planet. The entire food supply chain starts imploding.

13. Communism, mass starvation, and the end of America quickly ensue.

Hey wait a second. . .
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/08/how-kamalas-grocery-price-controls-would-work.php

On the upside, maybe we'll solve obesity?

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Instead of trade barriers, printing money,  deficits, price controls, ect ect

 why don't we try free markets and sound fiscal and monetary policy. Worth a try, right?
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Instead of trade barriers, printing money,  deficits, price controls, ect ect

 why don't we try free markets and sound fiscal and monetary policy. Worth a try, right?

Silly you! You are bringing some logic into the situation.    :shrug:

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Is it me or are the 2020's starting to feel like a bad decade?

Well, the past several years have been an absolute flippin' nightmare!!

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HOW KAMALA’S GROCERY PRICE CONTROLS WOULD WORK
AUGUST 17, 2024 BY STEVEN HAYWARD


A financial analyst I follow on Twitter/X, Robert Sterling, says everyone should calm down about Kamala’s grocery price controls idea. It’s actually worse than you think. Here’s his expectation from his Twitter column:

People need to stop overreacting about Kamala’s plan to reduce food inflation, as if it would lead to communism, mass starvation, and the end of America.

I worked in M&A in the food industry. Here’s a step-by-step summary of what would actually happen:

1. The government announces that grocery retailers aren’t allowed to raise prices.

2. Grocery stores, which operate on 1-2% net margins, can’t survive if their suppliers raise prices. So the government announces that food producers (Kraft Heinz, ConAgra, Tyson, Hormel, et. al.) also aren’t allowed to raise prices.

3. Not all grocery stores are created equal. Stores in lower-income areas make less money than those in higher-income areas  .  .  .

Clearly, Steven Hayward has read Atlas Shrugged.
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