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Uh, no.  You picked out members who consistently show their disdain for liberal policies - policies which your liberal saviour backs, and which your liberal self openly supports.  As for this being the most important election in our lifetime, I have to disagree with you there.

Again, when Trump acts like a Conservative, he will get my support.  But when he acts like a liberal, he won't get my support.  Been telling you this for over eight years now.  Yet you are so deeply invested in your hero-worship psychosis that you are incapable of discerning truth.  So here's the deal.  If you can get Trump to start supporting Conservative policies between now and November, then I will vote for him.  But as long as he keeps backing Big Government, then I'm out.

As for you, I expected better.  Such a disappointment to see a coward afraid to cut off funding the Democrat Party with taxpayer money because they might get upset.

And for pinging, I don't give a rat's ass whether you ping me or not.  Ping away, if your heart desires.  I just don't like it when posters repeatedly lie about what my positions are.

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A brilliant entreaty @Smokin Joe , as  always.  :beer:

My thought turns to Theodin, the King of Rohan in Tolkien's 'Lord of the Rings'...

When we first meet Theodin, he is a husk of his former self - Despite having been a beloved and honored regent in his past...

My interest is not in his 'present' state, but rather, how he came to be that way.
The Republican rank and file could learn much from that tale, I think.

Sooner or later, you're gonna have to draw a hard line. I drew mine in 2007.
And I am a Republican no more.
Thank you for your kind words, but I'm not a Republican, either.

I quit donating to them back when Daddy Bush was in office. Why? Well, I wrote a little white paper on he impact of the oil bust here. Increased divorce rate, unemployment, increased welfare/medicaid costs, repossessions, foreclosures, crashing housing market, all things which I have since come to see as sadly normal in a boom/bust market.
I explained my positions and advocated a tariff to normalize the price of imported oil at $20/bbl, which tariff would drop out as the price went above $20. No, not laissez faire, but a possible source of revenue for a government going into debt, and a way to develop our own resources as a hedge against another embargo, as a matter of National Security.

Of course, steady employment in the patch was a nice idea, too (full disclosure, that), but that would keep a larger active supply of career hands out there up to date on the latest developments in case it became a situation where we had to provide for ourselves without imports.

Now, that may have been a little wrongheaded, but it made sense at the time. After all, tariffs are a Constitutional means of getting revenue.

After about a month I got a letter back thanking me for my opinions and concerns and stating that the Administration was working hard on farm policy. Farm Policy? All they read was the zip code.

At the time all our Congressional delegation was Democrat. They got the same paper, I got similar or no responses. I had researched everything, and cited my sources (it wasn't just a 20 page rant), and frankly, that pissed me off. I never donated to the Democrats anyway, but that ensured the Republicans didn't get any money either.

That leaves me voting on issues, either for policies that abide by the Constitution, or against those which definitely do not. While the Republicans usually come closer to the mark than Democrats, neither is running on Original Intent, just one is ordinarily a little closer, at least in stated policy.
As time has proven, there is often a wide gulf between what's said on the stump and what they actually do, and Beltway Fever has been known to set in even before they get sworn in. That happened to the TEA party effort, with about half of those elected paying lip service to the Conservative ideas they espoused apparently forgetting all about that in a matter of weeks or days, and some were likely outright frauds in that sense, just trying to suck in a voting block.

That demonstrated the danger of seeking a saviour, of wanting to believe, when track records don't flange up with verbiage.

Trump's fiscal inflection point came from COVID, from listening to the 'experts', and trying to mitigate the effects of mitigating an unnecessarily deadly disease in the face of lies by those who were held in high regard in their fields. Unfortunately good intent doesn't count for much; the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
I'd wager Fauci wasn't far off from the sort of pre-med students who would steal and burn other students' notes just so they did better. It's that dog-eat-dog among the least scrupulous in the field, and we got to see that wholesale, on a global scale.

Yep, speaking of dogs, he screwed the pooch on that, but who knew? There was tremendous misinformation out there, unfortunately anything to the contrary was likely filtered out by the people who wrote the briefings and the "experts" whom it appears had fiscal incentives of their own. And there was active censorship on many platforms, and creative editing on others which was designed to make anyone who didn't buy the Narrative look like a kook or worse.

A bunch of well educated, often correct, and very competent people were and continue to be smeared because of that, even as they are being proven right, time and again.


While track records provide the data by which you can extrapolate a likely future, I listened to Trump's talk with Elon Musk, and it sounds like the lesson has been learned about fiscal responsibility.
 
They talked of (and Elon volunteered to help) finding ways to get more for the procurement buck than has been in the past. Put jobs up on bids, cut the expenses without cutting quality, don't build for the last war, but the next. Interesting. National Defense need not look like the next iteration of i-phone, with yet another more expensive model waiting in the wings. At least move in bigger increments, have that much vision, and save it for our enemies, not our citizens--and tighten up the security around it. It's hard to have an advantage when for a few million here and there, our adversaries get our research results for pennies on the dollar.

Taking a more businesslike approach to that end of things will meet with resistance (lots of unnecessary fingers in that pie), but it needs to be done.

On fiscal responsibility we agree. It's gonna be a tough row to hoe, and there are an awful lot of weeds sucking the sustenance from the crops.
 
There are a couple of ways to rein in spending.

One is to just not do the stuff that the Government was not tasked with by the Constitution. That will be a fight, because somewhere between 50-90% of the Administrative State would disappear overnight, with all the lobbyists and lackeys and baksheesh.
Armageddon on the Potomac.
Housing values in the surrounding communities (D.C., NOVA, and surrounding counties of MD) would crash, and there would be an exodus unlike any since Pharoah was in hot pursuit. Maybe they could find jobs at the State level, but I'd wager most States would pick and choose whether those jobs were needed at all, especially since the a lot of 'need' was imposed by the Feds anyway.

It would be a great step toward returning to original intent and the de-homogenization of government. Back to 50 test beds for ideas, back to what works best for those who would decide if it was even needed, power returned to the States and the People.

On a National level, if we really need a 'black ops' R&D budget for our military, then deal with that separately and quit skimming everything else--and shrink the pool for kickbacks and bribes. If the people who have all those six figure jobs in DC and environs can't make it on that, maybe they should try working in industry (what's left of it , anyway, after all the asinine regulations they cook up).
That sounds like shrinking government, especially after all the lawfare and misapplication of resources Trump has experienced since he stepped into the government space, as a candidate and elected official.  We'll see, if we're lucky (sad to put it that way), if not, we might not see the dollar maintain reserve currency status by the end of another eight years of 'fundamental transformation'.

The other way is to negotiate over prices, get competition back into the government procurement process, and expand the supplier market for things really necessary to reduce costs without reducing quality. We have to do it in our daily lives. Industry does it. The government should be no different, and, if anything, should be able to get better deals than we do because they're a volume buyer. (Suppliers make money on volume or margin in industry, but only rarely both. If you're doing volume there is a lot of meat on the bone without upping the price beyond the private sector.)

Frankly, I am a fan of both approaches.

And let DEI die. If people are supposed to be hired, loaned money, be admitted to college, whatever,let it be on a basis of merit and do away with all the check boxes on the forms (since all that is supposed to be irrelevant, anyway). Save paper, save money, and get the best people you can. 'Diversity' will follow as diverse people will show cause to be hired (other than check boxes).

As for the 15 minute cities and such, we haven't heard much about that lately. Is that an election move, or is it that the floated idea didn't go over very well? After all, Trump doesn't do well in most cities, it's the more rural minded America that really supports him.

While that 'vision' of America's future may have its problems, and doubtless I have imposed some wishful thinking of my own there, just in explaining what I'd like to see done, I'd definitely prefer even a watered down version of that to living in a political HOA, with block mothers (read that how you want) snitching to the Party if you infract. "Mo-om! He looked at me wrong!" or "He used the wrong pronouns" will be all it takes to send you off to camp and steal your assets.

But that's why, barring some epic stupidity, I will mark a ballot against Kamala and pray for the best. Like I said before, God knows what He is doing. He's got this, and whatever the outcome, in the end it will work out. At least when the time comes I'll be able to say I didn't have much to choose from, but I gave it my best shot. If He uses Trump to further His aims so be it. It wouldn't be the first time he has used an imperfect person to do His will.


 
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    God knows what He is doing. He's got this, and whatever the outcome, in the end it will work out. At least when the time comes I'll be able to say I didn't have much to choose from, but I gave it my best shot. If He uses Trump to further His aims so be it. It wouldn't be the first time he has used an imperfect person to do His will.
Just remember this:

God also turns corrupt and sinful societies over to what they want, if only to ensure their collapse. "God hardened their hearts" is mentioned a few times in the Bible, and the Psalms mention He "foils the plans of nations." So yes, it may well work out for Him in the end... but for the rest of us, there's a good chance it WILL be ugly.
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Just remember this:

God also turns corrupt and sinful societies over to what they want, if only to ensure their collapse. "God hardened their hearts" is mentioned a few times in the Bible, and the Psalms mention He "foils the plans of nations." So yes, it may well work out for Him in the end... but for the rest of us, there's a good chance it WILL be ugly.
Maybe. But recall Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were thrown in the furnace by Nebuchadnezzar II and survived. What's more, when Nebuchadnezzar looked into the furnace, he saw 4 there. God was with them. Not all will perish. God provides.

But if you want hardened hearts, look to the women clamoring for the 'right' to kill their own babies in the womb.

Lot and his family walked away from Sodom and Gomorrah, (well except for Lot's wife, who looked back). The location of those cities is still debatable. That is how thorough God's wrath was, yet Lot and most of his family survived. He looks after His own, at least those who will not turn away from Him. Not all will perish, but the wicked will find His wrath if they insist.
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Thank you for your kind words, but I'm not a Republican, either.

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That leaves me voting on issues, either for policies that abide by the Constitution, or against those which definitely do not. While the Republicans usually come closer to the mark than Democrats, neither is running on Original Intent, just one is ordinarily a little closer, at least in stated policy.


"Closer' is a mighty low bar. I am done with comparison to democrats, and expect excellence from those to whom I lend my vote. Good 'nuff, it turns out, is seldom anywhere good enough. In everything I did in my working life, I strove to master, not merely get by. And I expect the same of those who represent me.

Politics is the only segment of our nation where the users are encouraged to accept the lowest common denominator. that has got to stop.

I no longer suffer fools. The argument must be made for excellence. We should be winnowing the top for the most excellent, not winnowing the bottom for the least objectionable. That is the condition I strive to change. I will nevermore be counseled to be content with candy from the clown leading the parade.

I want real and abiding change, BACK to what works. And what works, always is excellence. A standard of excellence. That used to be in the American mind. I want to put that back.

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As time has proven, there is often a wide gulf between what's said on the stump and what they actually do, and Beltway Fever has been known to set in even before they get sworn in. That happened to the TEA party effort, with about half of those elected paying lip service to the Conservative ideas they espoused apparently forgetting all about that in a matter of weeks or days, and some were likely outright frauds in that sense, just trying to suck in a voting block.


I see that as a glass half-full. Rinse and repeat... but continue...

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While track records provide the data by which you can extrapolate a likely future, I listened to Trump's talk with Elon Musk, and it sounds like the lesson has been learned about fiscal responsibility.
 

I say, 'Fat chance'. This is why I put no stock in fancy words from the stump. The record is far more reliable. Tumpy has never been a fiscal guru. Never. He has always been a big spender - That's his bag. He is attracted to opulence like a moth to a bug zapper light.

It's what he does. He puts on the Ritz, in the most cheesey sense of the 'big show'. No one of a sensible mind would even think to buy a gold plated toilet. That, right there, is an epic unforced error. That is not the form of excellence. It is its counterfeit.

Now. I have spent most of my life dumping my load in the woods, or in an outhouse or portable. I piss off the porch, every chance I get. A high-falluting toilet is the farthest thing from my mind. I can accept that my somewhat rustic experience may leave me with preferences that are generally considered as unacceptable - Alright. But I imagine most everybody can see the sickness that would spend money on a golden throne.

No. He has never learned that lesson. Nor has he learned it yet. The leopard cannot change its spots. That is what he is.

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They talked of (and Elon volunteered to help) finding ways  [...]


Talk is cheap. Look to the record. THE singular most expensive Republican administration *ever*, and not by some increment... by an order of magnitude or two. It's 'too big to fail' on steroids. I don't give a single shit what he's saying now. That don't get another swing at it. Flat NOPE. That's a 'businesslike approach', right there. In business, 'extravagantly over budget' doesn't get another chance. You hit your marks or you die.

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Frankly, I am a fan of both approaches.


Oh me too! It's just bullshit falling out of his mouth. Fool me once...

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And let DEI die. If people are supposed to be hired, loaned money, be admitted to college, whatever,let it be on a basis of merit and do away with all the check boxes on the forms (since all that is supposed to be irrelevant, anyway). Save paper, save money, and get the best people you can. 'Diversity' will follow as diverse people will show cause to be hired (other than check boxes).


Sure. You'd get that continuing the TEA Party way, eventually. you won't get that from Tumpy.

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As for the 15 minute cities and such, we haven't heard much about that lately. Is that an election move, or is it that the floated idea didn't go over very well? After all, Trump doesn't do well in most cities, it's the more rural minded America that really supports him.


He ran his mouth, and it didn't go over well... so he backed it off. but that's where he's going. His unforced thought is more telling than his politically adjusted one. The record dictates.

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While that 'vision' of America's future may have its problems, and doubtless I have imposed some wishful thinking of my own there, just in explaining what I'd like to see done, I'd definitely prefer even a watered down version of that to living in a political HOA, with block mothers (read that how you want) snitching to the Party if you infract. "Mo-om! He looked at me wrong!" or "He used the wrong pronouns" will be all it takes to send you off to camp and steal your assets.

But that's why, barring some epic stupidity, I will mark a ballot against Kamala and pray for the best. Like I said before, God knows what He is doing. He's got this, and whatever the outcome, in the end it will work out. At least when the time comes I'll be able to say I didn't have much to choose from, but I gave it my best shot. If He uses Trump to further His aims so be it. It wouldn't be the first time he has used an imperfect person to do His will.

Oh absolutely. My ballot will be 'against Kamala', every bit as much as yours. It just won't be 'for Tumpy'.

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Uh, no.  You picked out members who consistently show their disdain for liberal policies - policies which your liberal saviour backs, and which your liberal self openly supports.  As for this being the most important election in our lifetime, I have to disagree with you there.

Again, when Trump acts like a Conservative, he will get my support.  But when he acts like a liberal, he won't get my support. 

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For those of us who share that POV, this election unfortunately is bearing us out.

A group of us have complained bitterly about Trump's big-government spending. In response, we've been told that the days of small-government conservatism are as dead as Reagan, and that we have to support Trump because he's the only alternative to socialism.

But look at what is happening.  Trump proposes a tried and true Democrat tactic of buying votes by proposing that tipped workers not be taxed.  But it's impossible to outflank Democrats on the left. So Kamala comes back and makes the identical promise.  She then ups the spending ante by promising first-time home buyers a $25,000 loan from the government.  That's in addition to the student loan forgiveness.

How can the Republicans counter this with Trump? His own vote buying programs mean that he has abandoned any principled opposition to increased government spending.  He can't play the "you'll bust the budget" card because he doesn't care about budgets either, and everyone knows it. 

So what we'll likely end up with is a classic race to the bottom. The two candidates will each try to figure out promises and programs they can offer to their targeted demographics to buy as many votes as possible.  And there won't be anyone pushing back on it because they're basically in cahoots in terms of government spending.

Whichever one of them buys the most votes and wins, it'll be the country that loses in the long run.   And that "long run" may come a lot sooner than we would like.
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I do think this is an excellent communications strategy.  A "one-off" interview likely was watched primarily by people who already would vote for Trump.  But if he keeps doing them with Musk and they become a "thing", that fact alone will draw more publicity, and help get his message out to more people.   It may become something that Kamala can't keep ignoring.

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How can the Republicans counter this with Trump? His own vote buying programs mean that he has abandoned any principled opposition to increased government spending.  He can't play the "you'll bust the budget" card because he doesn't care about budgets either, and everyone knows it. 

So what we'll likely end up with is a classic race to the bottom. The two candidates will each try to figure out promises and programs they can offer to their targeted demographics to buy as many of votes as possible.  And there won't be anyone pushing back on it because they're basically in cahoots in terms of government spending.

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This election, which one poster here described as "the most important election in our lifetime" has come down to a three-way race between three Democrats.

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I do think this is an excellent communications strategy.  A "one-off" interview likely was watched primarily by people who already would vote for Trump.  But if he keeps doing them with Musk and they become a "thing", that fact alone will draw more publicity, and help get his message out to more people.   It may become something that Kamala can't keep ignoring.

I am reminded of the "Fireside Chats."  This is an intriguing strategy.  He came across well in the last one.
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For those of us who share that POV, this election unfortunately is bearing us out.

A group of us have complained bitterly about Trump's big-government spending. In response, we've been told that the days of small-government conservatism are as dead as Reagan, and that we have to support Trump because he's the only alternative to socialism.

But look at what is happening.  Trump proposes a tried and true Democrat tactic of buying votes by proposing that tipped workers not be taxed.  But it's impossible to outflank Democrats on the left. So Kamala comes back and makes the identical promise.  She then ups the spending ante by promising first-time home buyers a $25,000 loan from the government.  That's in addition to the student loan forgiveness.

How can the Republicans counter this with Trump? His own vote buying programs mean that he has abandoned any principled opposition to increased government spending.  He can't play the "you'll bust the budget" card because he doesn't care about budgets either, and everyone knows it. 

So what we'll likely end up with is a classic race to the bottom. The two candidates will each try to figure out promises and programs they can offer to their targeted demographics to buy as many of votes as possible.  And there won't be anyone pushing back on it because they're basically in cahoots in terms of government spending.

Whichever one of them buys the most votes and wins, it'll be the country that loses in the long run.   And that "long run" may come a lot sooner than we would like.


Our debt has officially hit 35,000,000,000,000+.  Who knew we would ever  see the day of $2 trillion deficits in a time we’re told economy is  doing well. We spend more now on interest on the debt than we spend on military/defense


A Republican candidate outside of Washington DC could take this low hanging fruit and pound the Democrats over the head and explain why that is a danger to our economic health


But with Trump, we can’t. Kamala Harris will win the vote buying contest. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if at some point during the campaign, Trump promises to cancel student loan debt
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This election, which one poster here described as "the most important election in our lifetime" has come down to a three-way race between three Democrats.

Trump, Harris, who is the third one?



Anybody who ignores this fiscal issue, just for short term political gain, or, proposes to make it worse, should not be allowed anywhere near the levers of government.
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Trump, Harris, who is the third one?

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Anybody who ignores this fiscal issue, just for short term political gain, or, proposes to make it worse, should not be allowed anywhere near the levers of government.

The "no tax on tips" was a bad strategy precisely because it made vote-buying the policy of both candidates.  It actually pushed Kamala even further to the left on economics, but in a way Trump can't effectively counter.

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I am reminded of the "Fireside Chats."  This is an intriguing strategy.  He came across well in the last one.

What I find most attractive about this is the potential to completely remove the MSM filter. @Cyber Liberty
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What I find most attractive about this is the potential to completely remove the MSM filter. @Cyber Liberty

That, and it might smoke Kamala into the open and force her to do something other than just deliver speeches written by someone else.

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Such a disappointment to see a coward afraid to cut off funding the Democrat Party with taxpayer money because they might get upset.
You are spreading falsehoods here.

I posted this some time ago to rebut your remarks on this subject and curiously got no response.
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,536890.msg3048800.html#msg3048800
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This illustrates why I rarely post here any more. All the same arguments get repeated ad nauseum, no minds are ever changed, it's all pointless virtue signalling by this point.

A lot of truth to that.

We should consider your words and step back to consider others' as well.
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This illustrates why I rarely post here any more. All the same arguments get repeated ad nauseum, no minds are ever changed, it's all pointless virtue signalling by this point.

I don't have enough years left to bother with this, I have other things to do.

 :amen: @Ghost Bear the circular arguments have grown unbearable!
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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