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Kamala Harris Copies Trump’s No Taxes on Tips Campaign Promise
Elizabeth Weibel 10 Aug 2024

Vice President Kamala Harris copied a campaign promise first announced by former President Donald Trump to eliminate taxes on tips.

During a campaign rally in Nevada on Saturday, Harris acknowledged that Culinary Union Local 226 was at the rally, and she continued on to vow that if elected president in November, she would work to “raise the minimum wage” and “eliminate taxes on tips for service and hospitality workers.”

Harris’s promise comes after Trump announced in June during a rally in Las Vegas, Nevada, that if elected president, his administration would “not charge taxes on tips.”

“I know Culinary 226 is in the house,” Harris told the crowd. “And, the culinary union, as everyone in Nevada knows, they have helped lead the way in our country for workers’ rights and workers dignity. I have to say, for years I’ve been so proud to work by your side. When I was Attorney General of California, we worked together to crack down on wage theft. When I was a United States senator we fought together for paid family leave and medical leave, and earlier this year right here in Vegas we celebrated your historic contract win. And, it is my promise to everyone here, when I am President, we will continue our fight for working families of America. Including to raise the minimum wage, and eliminate taxes on tips for service and hospitality workers.”


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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2024, 09:14:39 am »
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2024, 09:23:39 am »
Besides this being just pandering and a dumb idea that won’t pass, how refreshing to know that both the Republican nominee and Democrat nominee agree on economic matters
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2024, 10:10:37 am »
Then DO IT NOW!   She and Biden are in the Whitehouse why does she have to wait until after she is sworn in to do it?  Because she is not serious about it. Or any of the other promises she is making at the rallies.  ,
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2024, 10:17:31 am »
Then DO IT NOW!   She and Biden are in the Whitehouse why does she have to wait until after she is sworn in to do it?  Because she is not serious about it. Or any of the other promises she is making at the rallies.  ,

It would take an act of Congress, and neither Republicans in the House nor Dems in the Senate have introduced such a bill.  Nor would (or should) it pass.

It's completely unjustifiable.  Why should tipped workers be given a windfall over every other kind of worker?  Plenty of jobs out there that pay less than what is made by many tipped workers.

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Re: Kamala Harris Copies Trump’s No Taxes on Tips Campaign Promise
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2024, 10:36:03 am »
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Liberals are now furiously deleting all their tweets about how "No Tax On Tips" was awful policy and are all about to start praising it because it came out of the cockholster's mouth now.

These people are SUBHUMAN FRAUDULENT PARASITES!


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Kamala Harris had FOUR YEARS to pass "No Tax On Tips" and instead, she directed her IRS to CRACK DOWN on waitresses and waiters not reporting their tips.

Did she push back against her administration when they did that or did she stand idly by?

If she stood idly by how can we EVER trust anything that comes out of her mouth now?
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Re: Kamala Harris Copies Trump’s No Taxes on Tips Campaign Promise
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2024, 11:28:59 am »
I am beginning to think she really is copying the Trump strategy - the "unbelievable" crowds at her rallies, the pick of a rather bland veteran as veep, her over-the-top rhetoric, now this. She needs to realize she is the incumbent here.

Basement strategy would work much better and she wouldn't have to be on the defensive.

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2024, 11:53:45 am »
It would take an act of Congress, and neither Republicans in the House nor Dems in the Senate have introduced such a bill.  Nor would (or should) it pass.


Still, adopting ones opponent's position strategically takes that position off the table. It doesn't matter if the promise is fulfilled by either side. Whether it can be accomplished is incidental.

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It's completely unjustifiable.  Why should tipped workers be given a windfall over every other kind of worker?  Plenty of jobs out there that pay less than what is made by many tipped workers.


Traditionally, hospitality workers, among others directly tied to services rendered, would typically be a minimum wage job, because those positions are offered in industries with low margins and high turnover...

The natural evolution of tipping served a purpose in providing a living wage to those most capable of the service - while putting that selection method directly in the hands of the end user, and allowing a greater profit from an otherwise thankless low wage. What may have started in pity wound up a measurement of merit.

BUT, since causing tips to be taxable, and raising minimum wage to the point that hospitality is no longer profitable, the function of a tip as a reward for meritorious service has waned - the living wage now provided otherwise, without the natural winnowing that tipping used to accomplish - thus the service is no longer based in merit, and service must now suffer fools.

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Re: Kamala Harris Copies Trump’s No Taxes on Tips Campaign Promise
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2024, 12:19:13 pm »
Trump is copying the democrat strategy of making the tax system more progressive. 

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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2024, 01:24:02 pm »
Trump is copying the democrat strategy of making the tax system more progressive.


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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2024, 02:03:00 pm »
Still, adopting ones opponent's position strategically takes that position off the table. It doesn't matter if the promise is fulfilled by either side. Whether it can be accomplished is incidental.

I agree.  But it's relevant to answering the question of why it already hasn't been done.

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Traditionally, hospitality workers, among others directly tied to services rendered, would typically be a minimum wage job, because those positions are offered in industries with low margins and high turnover..

But what's the logic of saying that the entirety of the compensation of a dishwasher or maid should be taxed, but the majority of the income of a waitress or barmaid - who very often earn substantially more overall - shouldn't be taxed?

Just seems wildly unfair to me.

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I agree.  But it's relevant to answering the question of why it already hasn't been done.

That's right.

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But what's the logic of saying that the entirety of the compensation of a dishwasher or maid should be taxed, but the majority of the income of a waitress or barmaid - who very often earn substantially more overall - shouldn't be taxed?

Just seems wildly unfair to me.


Fairness has naught to do with it.

In its original inception, tipping was performed in cash, prior to assigning a tip via plastic - So tips were (and still are, when cash) pretty impossible to track. So of course they weren't taxed. Even now, the tax against tips assumes a percentage and is not calculated according to hard numbers.

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Liberals are now furiously deleting all their tweets about how "No Tax On Tips" was awful policy and are all about to start praising it because it came out of the cockholster's mouth now.

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Priceless.  Orwell's 1984 is their textbook.
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But what's the logic of saying that the entirety of the compensation of a dishwasher or maid should be taxed, but the majority of the income of a waitress or barmaid - who very often earn substantially more overall - shouldn't be taxed?

Just seems wildly unfair to me.

Everything going forward will be reclassified as a tip.  Barbers will cut your hair for free, provide you give them a $25 tip.  Roadside vendors will hand out free pecks of produce to anyone willing to tip.  Mechanics will do free auto work as long as your tip is in line with the amount of hours invested.

The problem we face today is that too few people pay taxes.  Everyone working should pay tax.  Everyone.  From those making $10k per year to those making $10 billion per year.  Everyone should be paying something.  Everyone should be vested in government.  Everyone.  You don't like paying taxes for bullshit programs?  Then stop voting for bullshit programs.  You think taxes are too high?  Then stop voting for higher taxes.

Right now, a majority of our population does not pay taxes.  These people will vote for every spending increase and every tax increase because they are not vested in government.  The minority today that pay the taxes are now a slave class to those who do not.
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Re: Kamala Harris Copies Trump’s No Taxes on Tips Campaign Promise
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2024, 06:04:06 pm »
Hoodat wrote in #15 above:
"Priceless.  Orwell's 1984 is their textbook."

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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2024, 06:11:27 pm »
Hoodat wrote in #15 above:
"Priceless.  Orwell's 1984 is their textbook."

QueMala:
"I've always been for no tips on taxes..."

How about no taxes on earnings at all and taxes on spending instead?
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2024, 08:22:45 am »
Everything going forward will be reclassified as a tip.  Barbers will cut your hair for free, provide you give them a $25 tip.  Roadside vendors will hand out free pecks of produce to anyone willing to tip.  Mechanics will do free auto work as long as your tip is in line with the amount of hours invested.

The problem we face today is that too few people pay taxes.  Everyone working should pay tax.  Everyone.  From those making $10k per year to those making $10 billion per year.  Everyone should be paying something.  Everyone should be vested in government.  Everyone.  You don't like paying taxes for bullshit programs?  Then stop voting for bullshit programs.  You think taxes are too high?  Then stop voting for higher taxes.

Right now, a majority of our population does not pay taxes.  These people will vote for every spending increase and every tax increase because they are not vested in government.  The minority today that pay the taxes are now a slave class to those who do not.

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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2024, 08:28:02 am »
That's right.

Fairness has naught to do with it.

In its original inception, tipping was performed in cash, prior to assigning a tip via plastic - So tips were (and still are, when cash) pretty impossible to track. So of course they weren't taxed. Even now, the tax against tips assumes a percentage and is not calculated according to hard numbers.

Tips are part of your total compensation in the workplace, which is why there is a lower minimum wage for tipped workers.  So I think it absolutely is an issue of fairness. 

Tips have legally been taxable for more  than 40 years, and there is a legal requirement to report them.  The fact that cash tips are difficult to track doesn't mean it isn't illegal not to report them.  Just as it is illegal not to report any other cash compensation you receive.
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2024, 12:32:47 pm »
Tips are part of your total compensation in the workplace, which is why there is a lower minimum wage for tipped workers.  So I think it absolutely is an issue of fairness. 

Tips have legally been taxable for more  than 40 years, and there is a legal requirement to report them.  The fact that cash tips are difficult to track doesn't mean it isn't illegal not to report them.  Just as it is illegal not to report any other cash compensation you receive.

Dude... NO ONE reports cash. No one. Whether it is legal or not has nothing to do with it. It can't be enforced.

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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2024, 12:46:51 pm »
Dude... NO ONE reports cash. No one. Whether it is legal or not has nothing to do with it. It can't be enforced.

So the guy who I bought pot and mushrooms from when I was in college didn’t pay his fair share??

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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2024, 12:52:11 pm »
So the guy who I bought pot and mushrooms from when I was in college didn’t pay his fair share??

Now I wish I wrote out checks

Yeah... I Don't think that's how that works...  :laugh: :beer: