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WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump acknowledged to advisors that he made up a fake injury to avoid military service, because “I wasn’t going to Vietnam,” his former lawyer told lawmakers during testimony on Wednesday.

Michael Cohen, who also worked as a fixer for Trump before his election, said he was tasked with tamping down criticism of the military deferment as the presidential candidate simultaneously mocked Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, for being regarded as a military hero. “I like people who weren’t captured," Trump said during a July 2015 interview.

“Mr. Trump claimed (his medical deferment) was because of a bone spur, but when I asked for medical records, he gave me none and said there was no surgery,” Cohen told members of the House Oversight Committee. “He told me not to answer the specific questions by reporters but rather offer simply the fact that he received a medical deferment.

“He finished the conversation with the following comment: ‘You think I'm stupid, I wasn't going to Vietnam.’”

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I've been waiting for this since today on The Five Jessica Tarlov talked about Trump and his bone spurs keeping Trump out of VN...expect to see more of this since the are trying to downplay Walz's military service.
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I've been waiting for this since today on The Five Jessica Tarlov talked about Trump and his bone spurs keeping Trump out of VN...expect to see more of this since the are trying to downplay Walz's military service.
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Convicted perjurer Michael Cohen is the source?
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Convicted perjurer Michael Cohen is the source?

Cohen is a respected member of the greybar law firm.
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I've been waiting for this since today on The Five Jessica Tarlov talked about Trump and his bone spurs keeping Trump out of VN...expect to see more of this since the are trying to downplay Walz's military service.
Trump never served, for whatever reason. Neither did a wad of major shifting college kids on student deferments, some of whom were still around campus in '74 when I entered college, on their third major, somewhere short of being a sociologist, philosopher, degreed artist or some combination of those and others, always just a few credits short of their degree...and who didn't matriculate until '76 when Vietnam was over. I hung out more with veterans (Army, Coast Guard) in those days, or others like me who had not been subject to the draft. Most of us didn't volunteer because the Military was already shrinking. Those I knew well who did, went in with the idea of making a career of it, one a SEAL, and another a Sargent Major in the USMC. It was a strange time for those making life choices, and I had a chance to attend college, so I went for that. I also have congenital flat feet (never bothered me, but the Army wasn't thrilled with that and would still 4-F you for it). They are still flat.

That is different (never being in the service), whatever you make of it, than serving for over 20 years, rising in rank and then throwing in the towel when you find out your unit may face an actual enemy that will kill you.
That leaves the unit without their senior NCO a short time before facing the enemy. 
What's more, he is claiming to have retired at a rank he may have acted at, but did not finish the requirements to retire at.
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I've been waiting for this since today on The Five Jessica Tarlov talked about Trump and his bone spurs keeping Trump out of VN...expect to see more of this since the are trywing to downplay Walz's military service.

So what, people?  Did Trump lie about his rank and serving in a war zone?  Please, fight back and don't let them conflate the events. 

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That is different (never being in the service), whatever you make of it, than serving for over 20 years, rising in rank and then throwing in the towel when you find out your unit may face an actual enemy that will kill you.
That leaves the unit without their senior NCO a short time before facing the enemy. 
What's more, he is claiming to have retired at a rank he may have acted at, but did not finish the requirements to retire at.

It may well be "different", but i don't think a lot of folks are going to believe it's "better" to have not served at all because of multiple draft deferments than to have served for more than 20 years and retired before going to combat.

Lots of Cold War era vets never served in combat simply because there wasn't much combat for a few decades, and arguing that their service is somehow lesser because of that won't go over well with a lot of people.

Trump's repeated deferments, and not serving even one day, put him in a glass house with respect to Walz's service.  It's just not a good issue for Trump, and he shouldn't get baited into getting dragged into it.

The only aspect it that has some value is the "that I carried in war" line.  But if they're.going to criticize him for that, it should be narrowly focused.on that specific point.   And even then, it's not really going to do much because it's only the one comment rather than a pattern of falsely claiming combat experience.

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Trump's repeated deferments, and not serving even one day, put him in a glass house with respect to Walz's service. 

You're amazing ... so desperate and yet so boring.    Donald Trump served as Commander in Chief of all US Armed Forces. --- and we want him back doing the job.

"Glass house".  :silly:

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You're amazing ... so desperate and yet so boring.    Donald Trump served as Commander in Chief of all US Armed Forces. --- and we want him back doing the job.

"Glass house".  :silly:

Fact is Trump paid his way out of Vietnam... End of discussion.
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I also have congenital flat feet (never bothered me, but the Army wasn't thrilled with that and would still 4-F you for it). They are still flat.

When I was in school, I thought about entering the ROTC to help pay for school, because I could not get a job one summer.  I began the process of joining the Air Force ROTC, took the physical, etc, and at the same time, applied for my first student loan.  The loan came through before I heard back from the Air Force, so I took it.

But in taking the physical, the doctor said to, "son, you got some of the flatest feet I have ever seen". 
I quickly asked, "that won't stop me from getting into the Air Force, will it?"
He said, "no, we will take you, even with your flat feet."

My question, when guys got drafter back in the day of the draft, if they had flat feet and the US Army would not take them, were they required to go into the Navy or Air Force, where flat feet did not matter so much? 

I regret my decision of not doing the Air Force ROTC and going the loan route.  I feel like I missed out on a key experience, and having the opportunity to do it again, would have gone in the Air Force.

The doctor told me I did not have the eyes to be a pilot or navigator.  I asked what else could I do?  He said, next best is probably the missile program.  Part of my decision not to do it was I thought I would get stuck in a silo 100 miles from the nearest town, no girls, etc, and I thought, that isn't something I wanted.

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“Mr. Trump claimed (his medical deferment) was because of a bone spur, but when I asked for medical records, he gave me none and said there was no surgery,” Cohen told members of the House Oversight Committee.
Trump couldn't have avoided service without a medical doctor attesting to the claimed condition (whether or not the doctor was telling the truth is another question). Why does that asshat Cohen believe Trump should have had had "medical records" from 50+ years ago at his fingertips? I know I certainly don't.

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Getting a medical,deferment for bone spurs or any other condition was not dodging the draft. If the Dr. lied in order to get you out of the draft THAT was dodging.That’s why the first step in getting drafted was the required PHYSICAL EXAM.  If you didn’t pass you weren’t drafted.
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Fact is Trump paid his way out of Vietnam... End of discussion.

Yup

And a lot of young men didn’t have the means like Donald Trump did to buy their way out of service.

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You're amazing ... so desperate and yet so boring.    Donald Trump served as Commander in Chief of all US Armed Forces. --- and we want him back doing the job.

"Glass house".  :silly:

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OK, well then let’s take your logic and say that Bill Clinton wasn’t a draft dodger  because he served as commander-in-chief of the US Armed Forces from 1993 to 2001

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Michael Cohen is better described as Trump's former henchman.  The bar to be a lawyer is lower than the Mariana Trench.  Think of Michael Cohen as Trump's Tessio.

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OK, well then let’s take your logic and say that Bill Clinton wasn’t a draft dodger  because he served as commander-in-chief of the US Armed Forces from 1993 to 2001

Your desperately predictable Trump hate has become comic relief.   Thanks for never missing a chance to share your gift.    :beer:

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Your desperately predictable Trump hate has become comic relief.   Thanks for never missing a chance to share your gift.    :beer:


Are you ever able to respond to anybody in an adult fashion? @Maj. Bill Martin point is an accurate and a fair one to make

You said that Donald Trump being commander-in-chief is his serving the military
 
Bill Clinton was commander-in-chief so I used your “logic”

You made the argument. I didn’t.  wink777

You got caught so your only way to respond is a snarky reply.

I know I won’t get an answer, but does your reasoning also apply to Bill Clinton or is it just a special carve out for Donald Trump? 

Actually, don’t  bother. I already know the answer

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You're amazing ... so desperate and yet so boring.    Donald Trump served as Commander in Chief of all US Armed Forces. --- and we want him back doing the job.

"Glass house".  :silly:

Yes, he did a really excellent job in promoting Mark "White Rage" Milley to be the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.  Perhaps the most important single action Trump took as C in C, and he utterly screwed the pooch with it.

No wonder you want him back.