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They are not just distancing themselves from it. They’re condemning it

Not only that but openly going scorched earth against the Heritage Foundation and its staff members, complete with Mafia style threats.

aka "nasty degenerate SOB," "worst of the worst at Free Republic," "Garbage Troll," "Neocon Warmonger," "Filthy Piece of Trash," "damn $#%$#@!," "Silly f'er," "POS," "war pig," "neocon scumbag," "insignificant little ankle nipper," "@ss-clown," "neocuck," "termite," "Uniparty Deep stater," "Never Trump sack of dog feces," "avid Bidenista," "filthy Ukrainian," "war whore," "fricking chump," "psychopathic POS," "depraved SOB," "Never Trump Moron," "Lazarus," and "sock puppet."

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Irrelevant.  Either you're a Conservative and openly stand for Conservative principles, ideas, and organizations, or you're not.  So I'm not playing that old lying hypocrisy game like most of Trump's supporters do.

I'm not a Conservative. Conservatism is a failed ideology.
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Yeah, we get it.  The buck never stops with Trump...heck it never even makes it to his desk apparently.

As opposed to your philosophy of only blame Trump. That works much better apparently.
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*yawn* whatever, Never Trumper. When it comes to spending, I could point out that you have a chance with Trump and no chance with Democrats, but you won't hear it, so I won't bother.

REALLY? From the guy who ran the most expensive Republican administration in history - And that not by a little bit?
This guy outspends Democrats.

Paleeez. Don't be pushin that shit on me just so you can vote for it. You're voting *FOR* it. From Republicans. YOU. Not me.

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REALLY? From the guy who ran the most expensive Republican administration in history - And that not by a little bit?
This guy outspends Democrats.

Paleeez. Don't be pushin that shit on me just so you can vote for it. You're voting *FOR* it. From Republicans. YOU. Not me.

Who passes the budget again?  Oh yeah, the Congress.

Anyways, yup, I'll be voting for Trump again. There is no other choice in this election.
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I'm not a Conservative. Conservatism is a failed ideology.

It is not an ideology. It is a philosophy. And it consists of the truth that has worked every time, all the time, throughout history. Conservatism cannot fail. It is right. And like the 10 Commandments, the further you stray the worse it will be for you.

That's just a fact.

But one you'll have to learn for yourself.

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As opposed to your philosophy of only blame Trump. That works much better apparently.

Democrats are not what we are expected to vote for. Democrats are not supposed to be defending Conservatives. Democrats are not the ones forcing Conservatism off the map. That'd be y'all.

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It is not an ideology. It is a philosophy. And it consists of the truth that has worked every time, all the time, throughout history. Conservatism cannot fail. It is right. And like the 10 Commandments, the further you stray the worse it will be for you.

That's just a fact.

But one you'll have to learn for yourself.

Name anything that Conservatism has accomplished in the past 30 years.
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Who passes the budget again?  Oh yeah, the Congress.

You'd have a point if Tumpy's name wasn't on the bottom of every stinking one of those bills.
And don't get me wrong - Throw ALL the bastards out has long been my mantra... ALL of em. Every one.
So don't tell me I only blame Tumpy. I have been blaming Congress all the way along, on the record, right here.

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Anyways, yup, I'll be voting for Trump again. There is no other choice in this election.

I will not, because I agree - There is no choice in this election. No choice at ll.
Big government on the left or big government on the right. No choice.

So I have no dog in this hunt.

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Name anything that Conservatism has accomplished in the past 30 years.

I could, but that's the wrong metric. Better to look at who is actually guarding your liberty these last thirty years, and who has stood in the breach as your liberty erodes around you.

Those are the folks you want - Not a big spending liberal from NYC.
Them's the folks I'll back to the 9s (and have)

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I am a conservative in the line of Barry Goldwater, Calvin Coolidge, Ron Paul, ect ect


 
Unfortunately, there have been few of those in government. The GOP class of 1994 was as close as you could’ve gotten to a conservatives philosophy. With Gingrich and Kasich, we got a more balanced budget and welfare reform.

But that was thrown aside after GWB and it hasn’t recovered. It left an opening for someone like Trump who is light years away from that class of 1994

I don’t care what you call it. Just give me someone who doesn’t think it’s ok to run up two trillion dollar deficits when our debt is already well over 100% of GDP and willing to slash the federal government regardless what the media and the left say about him or her
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I'm not a Conservative. Conservatism is a failed ideology.

... a failed ideology that defeated the Soviet Evil Empire and blessed America with a Pax Reagan-a and an era of prosperity that it allowed reverse-Darwinism to devolve American politics to its current state.

Without competition for survival during the 1990s, America became fat, lazy, and crack-addicted ... just as the Japanese Prime Minister had warned Bush #41 prior to Bush puking in the Prime Minister's lap.

Conservatism is missing from today Republican body politic because it was too successful.  Having vanquished Malaise, inflation, Stalinism, etc., the Bush '43 Republican Party no longer needed conservatism to survive.  Being slightly less liberal, less fiscally irresesponsible, and less Clinton was enough in the early 2000s to obtain and hold power.

But the Republican party strayed for too long and for too far until it and the Dems morphed into the Globalist monstrosity that is the UniParty.  Where do the Dems end and from where do the Repubs begin?

The Bush #43 crew eskewed Adam Smith capitalism for laissez faire Kleptocratic Krony Kapitalist Corporate Welfare that led to the 2008/2009 Financial Crisis, the Obama Administration, Occupy Wall Street, the Tea Party, the Freedom Caucus, and eventually MAGA.

It is the Republicans' embrace of Globalist New World Order Bush-ism and their repudiation of Reagan American Exceptionalism that has angered the unwashed deplorable masses.  How long must Republicans continue to wander in the Globalist UniParty desert before they re-embrace Reagan Conservatism and American Exceptionalism to find their path back to the Gipper's Promised Land?

Project 2025 is no substitute for a smaller, less powerful, less imperial Executive Branch.
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Liberals 1, Conservatives 0

Too bad the GOP doesn't have a candidate willing to fight.
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I'm not a Conservative. Conservatism is a failed ideology.

But printing up new money to finance government isn't?
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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I could, but that's the wrong metric. Better to look at who is actually guarding your liberty these last thirty years, and who has stood in the breach as your liberty erodes around you.

Those are the folks you want - Not a big spending liberal from NYC.
Them's the folks I'll back to the 9s (and have)

"Guarding my liberty", huh?  You mean the Republicans who voted to send jobs to China and India?  Or was it the Republicans who voted to increase H1B visas to bring foreigners here to take jobs?  Maybe it was the Republicans who voted to go to war again and again, spending our nation's blood and treasure to enrich government contractors. All of them claimed to be "Conservative".

Sure, the budget was high while Trump was in office. You know what else happened while Trump was in office? No new wars. Tariffs against China. Reduction of governmental regulations. Roe v. Wade overturned, with the votes of three judges appointed by Trump. Oh, but he's not the "Conservative", so he's bad.

Right.

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"Guarding my liberty", huh?  You mean the Republicans who voted to send jobs to China and India?  Or was it the Republicans who voted to increase H1B visas to bring foreigners here to take jobs?  Maybe it was the Republicans who voted to go to war again and again, spending our nation's blood and treasure to enrich government contractors.

Wait, are you tallking about Republicans, or are you talking about Conservatives?
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The only guardian of liberty is a vigilant citizenry.



Politicians, parties, Governments gain power by infringing upon the liberties of distracted citizens.
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... a failed ideology that defeated the Soviet Evil Empire and blessed America with a Pax Reagan-a and an era of prosperity that it allowed reverse-Darwinism to devolve American politics to its current state.

Without competition for survival during the 1990s, America became fat, lazy, and crack-addicted ... just as the Japanese Prime Minister had warned Bush #41 prior to Bush puking in the Prime Minister's lap.

Conservatism is missing from today Republican body politic because it was too successful.  Having vanquished Malaise, inflation, Stalinism, etc., the Bush '43 Republican Party no longer needed conservatism to survive.  Being slightly less liberal, less fiscally irresesponsible, and less Clinton was enough in the early 2000s to obtain and hold power.

But the Republican party strayed for too long and for too far until it and the Dems morphed into the Globalist monstrosity that is the UniParty.  Where do the Dems end and from where do the Repubs begin?

The Bush #43 crew eskewed Adam Smith capitalism for laissez faire Kleptocratic Krony Kapitalist Corporate Welfare that led to the 2008/2009 Financial Crisis, the Obama Administration, Occupy Wall Street, the Tea Party, the Freedom Caucus, and eventually MAGA.

It is the Republicans' embrace of Globalist New World Order Bush-ism and their repudiation of Reagan American Exceptionalism that has angered the unwashed deplorable masses.  How long must Republicans continue to wander in the Globalist UniParty desert before they re-embrace Reagan Conservatism and American Exceptionalism to find their path back to the Gipper's Promised Land?

Project 2025 is no substitute for a smaller, less powerful, less imperial Executive Branch.

Reagan was a great president. He also signed record-high budgets while he was in office.

Oops.
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Who passes the budget again?  Oh yeah, the Congress.

Who spends the money?  The President.
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Wait, are you tallking about Republicans, or are you talking about Conservatives?

I don't know, did George W. Bush not claim to be "Conservative"?  Does Lindsey Graham not claim to be "Conservative" every time he runs for re-election?

Oh, wait, are they not "true Conservatives"? Like no true Scotsman, huh?
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If not for Pax Reagana, Bush '41 nor Clinton would have reaped the benefits and balanced budgets of the 1990s' Peace Dividend.

Reagan's deficit spending was an investment in the prosperity that would follow the defeat of the Soviet Evil Empire.

Investment provides future return for present capital expenditures.

Spending just buys crap for immediate gratification.
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If not for Pax Reagana, Bush '41 nor Clinton would have reaped the benefits and balanced budgets of the 1990s' Peace Dividend.

Reagan's deficit spending was an investment in the prosperity that would follow the defeat of the Soviet Evil Empire.

Investment provides future return for present capital expenditures.

Spending just buys crap for immediate gratification.

In other words, record spending under Reagan, good.  Record spending under Trump, bad. Got it.
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George W. Bush was a Globalist, WTO, World Bank, Bigger Government, Wilsonian Interventionist, Corporate Welfare liberal.  His words were conservative, his actions were liberal.  America was fooled.  It didn't help that W's opponents were Al Gore and John Kerry.  It doesn't take much to be less liberal than them.

Lindsey Graham changes position more frequently than an airport windsock and has the principled fortitude of a wet noodle.  Lindsey Graham is a bigger flip-flopper than John Kerry and Hillary Clinton.  If Lindsey Graham was a gang memeber, he'd run away before the fight started and he'd turn rat.

I don't know, did George W. Bush not claim to be "Conservative"?  Does Lindsey Graham not claim to be "Conservative" every time he runs for re-election?

Oh, wait, are they not "true Conservatives"? Like no true Scotsman, huh?
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George W. Bush was a Globalist, WTO, World Bank, Bigger Government, Wilsonian Interventionist, Corporate Welfare liberal.  His words were conservative, his actions were liberal.  America was fooled.  It didn't help that W's opponents were Al Gore and John Kerry.  It doesn't take much to be less liberal than them.

Lindsey Graham changes position more frequently than an airport windsock and has the principled fortitude of a wet noodle.  Lindsey Graham is a bigger flip-flopper than John Kerry and Hillary Clinton.  If Lindsey Graham was a gang memeber, he'd run away before the fight started and he'd turn rat.

If you are implying that I should vote for what a candidate does, rather than what he says, then I agree. I'm voting for the guy who cut government regulation, was willing to fight a trade war with China, and got Roe v. Wade overturned.
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"Guarding my liberty", huh?  You mean the Republicans who voted to send jobs to China and India?  Or was it the Republicans who voted to increase H1B visas to bring foreigners here to take jobs?  Maybe it was the Republicans who voted to go to war again and again, spending our nation's blood and treasure to enrich government contractors. All of them claimed to be "Conservative".


Geez... You keep singing to the choir but the tune's all wrong.

Let's break down 'Republicans'. Did you know there are various factions within the party? Not everyone who calls themselves conservative is actually Conservative. The Moderate wing has held control pretty much since Reagan's left foot went over the threshold for the last time... THAT IS NOT Conservatives. That's the moderate wing.

There is also a liberal wing, and finally the Goldwater/Reagan Conservative wing. They're the guys you're defaming.

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Sure, the budget was high while Trump was in office.


Don't be so flippant. Not just 'high'. Astronomically high.

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You know what else happened while Trump was in office? No new wars.

Wars are cheap compared to Tumpy.

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Tariffs against China.

As if that's a good thing...

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Reduction of governmental regulations.

Oh bullshit. Nothing meaningful.

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Roe v. Wade overturned, with the votes of three judges appointed by Trump.


More luck than sense, with only one justice reliably to the Right.

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Oh, but he's not the "Conservative", so he's bad.

Right.

Yes, right. The economy he drove also drove inflation, because it was based on printing money. The current rund of inflation and dollar devaluing began under Tumpy.

The destruction of businesses - small businesses particularly - Was epic, even before his idiotic covid policies - Because of his tariffs.

Most of his deregulation jiggering was done by EO and it all disappeared like a fart in a windstorm.

But he sure left the Democrats a whopping, bigger government to take over. I'll give him that.
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