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Maduro may regret sending all those "migrants" to the U.S. - he could use their votes. Although I'll be surprised if it's a fair or legitimate election.
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Venezuela opposition seeks to end 25 years of socialist power in Sunday vote
 Story by Deisy Buitrago, Mayela Armas and Julia Symmes Cobb
July 26, 2024
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CARACAS/SAN CRISTOBAL (Reuters) -Venezuelan opposition leader Maria Corina Machado and her coalition's candidate Edmundo Gonzalez have commanded enthusiastic crowds during their campaign to unseat President Nicolas Maduro and end 25 years of ruling party dominance.

But uncertainty remains about how Sunday's election will play out, with Maduro – whose 2018 reelection is considered fraudulent by the United States, among others - sounding a confident note and opposition figures and analysts warning of possible underhandedness.

Gonzalez has attracted significant support, even from former supporters of the ruling party, but the opposition and some observers have questioned whether the vote will be fair, saying decisions by electoral authorities and the arrests of some opposition campaign staff are meant to create obstacles.

Gonzalez and Machado have urged voters to cast ballots early and hold "vigils" at polling stations until they close. They have said they expect the military to uphold the results of the vote. ...


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How wonderful it would be for the people of Venezuela that, due to unintended consequences, they ended up electing their own Javier Milei
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How wonderful it would be for the people of Venezuela that, due to unintended consequences, they ended up electing their own Javier Milei
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 "They have said they expect the military to uphold the results of the vote. "

If anyone expects that Maduro's military will allow an overthrow, then they probably are the same who think the '20 US election wasn't stolen either.
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Venezuela once had a thriving middle class. Now they’re in poverty


Hugo Chavez thought he could fund his  social spending with oil revenues, but that didn’t work out in the long term

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Who will count the votes?
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Who will count the votes?

Machine Gun Maduro
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As long as Venezuela continues to put Dominion in charge of their elections, the incumbents will continue to win.  Keep in mind that the Dominion system was originally created for Venezuela.
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As long as Venezuela continues to put Dominion in charge of their elections, the incumbents will continue to win.  Keep in mind that the Dominion system was originally created for Venezuela.

In this country we steal elections by manufacturing full electoral boxes and covering vote counting rooms with cardboard.

It's much more simple in Venezula when counting while staring down the barrel of an AK-47.
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This may not be going as we'd hoped:

Police, under the orders of Nicolás Maduro, kidnapped two opposition party representatives ...

https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1817669577767260384


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Who will count the votes?

The only people who are allowed to own firearms in Venezuela.  (Maduro's thugs) 

If the results are anything like we anticipate, I doubt the numbers will ever be released.
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Maduro is panicking over losing the election and has ordered his armed motorcycle gangs out on the streets of Caracas
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BREAKING: Nicolas Maduro has now activated the Venezuelan military to block people from voting because the turnout for the opposition is HISTORIC

Please pray for the people of Venezuela


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Why block them from voting?  Let them vote.  Declare Maduro the winner.  And have Jimmy Carter sanction it like they always do.
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Unlike  Hugo Chavez who was given a chance to die an natural death, I hope the good citizens of Caracas drag Maduro's body around the city, like a feral pig.
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Maduro has been declared the winner, despite exit polls showing his opponent got 60% of the vote. The DNC would approve.
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Maduro has been declared the winner, despite exit polls showing his opponent got 60% of the vote. The DNC would approve.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAPGijDFJiQ
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Although it is Venezuela and Maduro  is a dictator, it is entirely possible that this is what the majority of Venezuelans wanted



What percentage of Venezuelans are dependent on government for their day-to-day living? They’re not gonna vote against that.

Think Curley Effect. The middle-class in Venezuela has been destroyed and turned into the dependent class. Getting as many people as you can dependent on government is a great way to shape the electorate in your favor

Put yourself in these people’s shoes. Even though all that social spending has basically bankrupted Venezuela and turned their economy into shit, the people have nothing else.

The situation is going to get a lot more dire for the people of Venezuela if that’s even possible
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The New York Times says Venezuela's problem is... capitalism.
https://t.co/J8jF7SduCp
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The New York Times says Venezuela's problem is... capitalism.
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It’s the New York Times. I wouldn’t expect anything different
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Maduro declared winner of disputed Venezuelan election
The opposition, which had warned of the potential for fraud, was expected to challenge the result.
By Samantha Schmidt, Ana Vanessa Herrero and María Luisa Paúl
Updated July 29, 2024 at 3:09 a.m. EDT|Published July 28, 2024 at 5:08 a.m. EDT

CARACAS, Venezuela — Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro’s electoral council declared the authoritarian socialist the winner of Venezuela’s election Sunday despite partial results and independent exit polling that suggested opposition candidate Edmundo González had captured twice as many votes.

The Venezuelan opposition, which sent thousands of ordinary citizens to monitor voting centers across the country Sunday, swiftly rejected the results and said it had records showing a clear victory by González. The election outcome was immediately challenged by a host of foreign leaders, including U.S. officials....
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The New York Times article is the same excuse when back in the early 80s Mitterrand in France nationalized it’s banks and many of its industries and implemented price controls and then blamed capitalism when it didn’t work out as planned
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Exit polls (Edison Research, WSJ):
Opposition leader González: 65%
Socialist dictator Maduro: 31%

Results from the Election Council:
Socialist dictator Maduro: 51.2%
Opposition leader González: 44.2%

No leader or media organization should legitimize this fake election in any way.

This was stolen from the people.
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Venezuela's Election Was Just Stolen, and Biden-Harris Were at the Center of It
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Venezuelan Dictator Nicolas Maduro was declared the "winner" of the presidential election by the nation's election council on Monday morning. That came after exit polls showed him losing by as much as 30 points. Reports of Maduro's armed thugs closing down polling sites and stealing ballot boxes were prevalent throughout the process, all but confirming that the election was indeed stolen.

What happens next is clear. Maduro will strengthen his grip on power instead of stepping down peacefully. As the saying goes, you can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.

While this outcome was apparent to anyone with any common sense, Kamala Harris and Joe Biden had different ideas. While the press will no doubt bury the story, the current administration was at the center of this fraudulent election, having handed Maduro sanctions relief in exchange for "free and fair elections."

    For President Biden, it was a gamble: ease crippling sanctions on the government of Venezuelan strongman Nicolás Maduro in exchange for Maduro’s promise to hold a free and fair election for president this year.

    With that election now less than two weeks away, Venezuelans — and U.S. officials — are watching to see if the outreach has helped yield a democratic vote.

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Worldwide condemnation from other governments and the MSM?

<Crickets>
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Was it Hugo Chavez's ghost or his parrot that hacked the Veneuela voting machines?  Has CyberNinjas found any bamboo ballots?

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Whoa!  Whoa!  Whoa!  There is no "stealing" in socialist $h!thole countries ... the votes were involuntarily re-appropriated.

There's no stealing in socialist and communist countries because there is no such thing as private property.
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If this elderly woman from Venezuela can go to vote while clearly in pain, then you have no excuse not to vote this November.  All for naught, as it turns out, but still ...

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1817673756489240965
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The New York Times says Venezuela's problem is... capitalism.

Capitalism is how the board members of the NY Times have hot water and A/C in their homes.  It is also what gives them the freedom to print whatever they want.
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BREAKING: Venezuela's electoral body has formally declared Nicolás Maduro the winner of the country's disputed presidential election, handing him third six-year term. Associated Press

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If you vote for Kamala Harris, it will be the last election. America will become Venezuela
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Capitalism is how the board members of the NY Times have hot water and A/C in their homes.  It is also what gives them the freedom to print whatever they want.

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It is easy to vote yourself into socialist chains but impossible to vote yourself out of them once on.

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I have a feeling this won't end well.
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I have a feeling this won't end well.

For the opposition party.
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Sweden didn’t shoot their way out of it. Neither did Israel. And the USSR just simply collapsed

And it appears Argentina isn’t, either
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Maybe it's some of that Million Man math.
VENEZUELA INVENTS NEW % FOR ELECTION RESULTS: Turns out you can have more than 100%…
According to local tv, 109% of the votes divided between the candidates.

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1817860085508374749
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Anti-Chavista protesters have reportedly taken over the Simón Bolívar International Airport in Maiquetía.

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Seeing some reports of shooting starting.
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Seeing some reports of shooting starting.

If there is shooting, it’s probably coming from Maduro’s  thugs.

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/content/how-venezuela-s-good-citizens-were-disarmed-is-a-lesson-for-us/
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Sweden didn’t shoot their way out of it. Neither did Israel. And the USSR just simply collapsed

And it appears Argentina isn’t, either

Problem with "socialism" is that it's defined pretty vague no?

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If there is shooting, it’s probably coming from Maduro’s  thugs.

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/content/how-venezuela-s-good-citizens-were-disarmed-is-a-lesson-for-us/

What I read on X said the people are shooting back.
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Some police are refusing to go after protesting citizens.
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I figure half those that opposed socialism in Venezuela had migrated to the US last year... we sure got a few million recently from the region.
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Sweden didn’t shoot their way out of it. Neither did Israel. And the USSR just simply collapsed


Well, in regard to the USSR, not much has changed since the days of the USSR.  Russia contrary to what you may think is still heavily controlled by the communists.  The Lenin statue with his arm extended still stands in a city square where my wife comes from in southern Russia.  And the communists are in complete control in much of the country.

Russia does not have fair and free elections.  They are much like what is done in Venezuela.  I am 100% certain that election was fixed.

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I figure half those that opposed socialism in Venezuela had migrated to the US last year... we sure got a few million recently from the region.

A lot of them have fled to different countries in the region since Chavez
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Problem with "socialism" is that it's defined pretty vague no?

In the case of Sweden, Israel, and Argentina, The state owned or heavily taxed and regulated many of its industries. And government would set things like wages and price controls

Sweden has a generous safety net. But it’s now a free market economy, along with Israel and, fingers crossed over time, Argentina

In fact, Sweden no longer has a federally mandated minimum wage and there are less regulations to start a business in Sweden than there is even in the US

There is just one problem: Sweden is not socialist.

If Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez really want to turn America into Sweden, what would that look like? For the United States, it would mean, for example, more free trade and a more deregulated product market, no Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the abolition of occupational licensing and minimum wage laws. The United States would also have to abolish taxes on property, gifts, and inheritance. And even after the recent tax cut, America would still have to slightly reduce its corporate tax. Americans would need to reform Social Security from defined benefits to defined contributions and introduce private accounts. They would also need to adopt a comprehensive school voucher system where private schools get the same per-pupil funding as public ones.

If this is socialism, call me comrade.

So why is it that so many people associate Sweden with socialism? For the same reason they associate it with ABBA and free love: their perceptions are stuck in the 1970s. At that time, it was reasonable to say that Sweden was moving toward socialism. But that was an aberration in Sweden’s history — an aberration that almost destroyed the country.



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The United States stands with the people of Venezuela who expressed their voice in today’s historic presidential election. The will of the Venezuelan people must be respected. Despite the many challenges, we will continue to work toward a more democratic, prosperous, and secure future for the people of Venezuela.


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https://twitter.com/VP/status/1817687288056303648

Does she side with Maduro or the opposition?

Oh never mind. It’s Kamala Harris
I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them.

Barry Goldwater

http://www.usdebtclock.org

My Avatar is my adult autistic son Tommy