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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2024, 04:58:48 pm »
His method of selecting people is no better than DEI.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2024, 05:09:52 pm »
I thought Cotton, Hawley, or even Youngkin would have made a better choice.  Still, this is Trump's hand picked VPOTUS, and now he needs to deal with the consequences.    Historically, the closest example we have to a pick being plucked out of the race is Thomas Eagleton in 1972.  McGovern got slammed for lack of vetting, indecieveness, and lack of loyalty.  It was just another example of one of the worst run campaigns in my lifetime.

I think there is plenty of time to right the ship, but he needs some decent handlers manage what might be a fatal flaw that he shares with Trump.....   Foot in Mouth Disease.  JD needs to realize that there are uncounted ways to get your message across without pissing off a substantial percentage of the electorate. 

And I hope he learns this lesson quickly.
Just a thought: If you are anyone on the Right, and have a foot and a mouth, sooner or later, through omission, careful editing, or simply distortion, the MSM will insert the foot in the mouth and blow the significance of the event entirely out of proportion.

It's back to indicting a ham sandwich. Same tactics.

You can spend all your time backpedalling and explaining the drawings you made in first grade, or you can move forward. Just find ways to express your point that are less easily distorted.

The advantage Biden had, campaigning from the basement, was that little enough he said wasn't scrupulously prepared, media promoted, and synced across multiple networks and social media platforms.

That's what they have to get their message out, and while you may not be able to fool all the people all the time, they seem to run between 35 and 45% pretty consistently.

That is what needs to be beat, well practiced talking heads with the appropriate gravitas and sympathetic mein.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2024, 05:18:40 pm »
Yeah, that comment (paraphrased)  that childless women are lesser people is really going win swing votes.  Especially those that aren't medically able.

You're past delusional.
I didn't get "lesser people" from that, just that their ambitions give them a different (and often more self-centered) perspective, IF they are childless by choice (he specifically exempted those who wanted children but could not have them).

Keeping in mind it's a generality to which everyone can find an exception somewhere, prove that wrong.

Having children changes your life, your focus, and your worldview.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2024, 05:19:47 pm »
Why is it difficult to remember there are women in America who believe in and live the motto:  "God, country, FAMILY", who know how fundamentally having children changes a worldview.  They also buy groceries, fill the car with gas, are horrified by the gay agenda in our schools, like their men strong, agree abortion should have limits ------- and will vote to prove it. 

Why do conservative/republicans kick these women to the curb in favor of satisfying and coddling the Kamalas ---- who wouldn't vote for you in either this life, or the next no matter what you say?
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2024, 05:39:57 pm »
Still waiting for someone to explain to me how picking JD Vance was better than choosing someone from a battleground State who, unlike Vance, actually had executive experience.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2024, 05:47:21 pm »
Why is it difficult to remember there are women in America who believe in and live the motto:  "God, country, FAMILY", who know how fundamentally having children changes a worldview.  They also buy groceries, fill the car with gas, are horrified by the gay agenda in our schools, like their men strong, agree abortion should have limits ------- and will vote to prove it. 

Why do conservative/republicans kick these women to the curb in favor of satisfying and coddling the Kamalas ---- who wouldn't vote for you in either this life, or the next no matter what you say?

??? No one is kicking these women to the curb.  *****rollingeyes*****  However, JD is kicking women who are childless to the curb! 

Your analogy is weak if you would have us believe that women without children don't buy groceries, or fill their cars with gas, or like weak men who believe in abortions.

Are not all women created equal @Right_in_Virginia ?  Aren't their women who don't have children because they can't conceive?  Should they be ridiculed or granted less votes??? 

You can try to spin what he said -- but him saying he was being sarcastic as his reasoning?  Ouch....that's just as bad as his original comment.


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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2024, 05:52:09 pm »
Still waiting for someone to explain to me how picking JD Vance was better than choosing someone from a battleground State who, unlike Vance, actually had executive experience.
Well, the Democrats have turned their campaign into a shitshow, and the Republicans want to have a shitshow, too.

Just sitting on the hill watching the blue on blue and red on red...

It is an interesting year, in the same way slow motion trainwrecks and plane crashes are interesting.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2024, 06:52:33 pm »
Still waiting for someone to explain to me how picking JD Vance was better than choosing someone from a battleground State who, unlike Vance, actually had executive experience.

I'd like to know what Vance brings to the ticket?? Other than he's young.


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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2024, 06:53:34 pm »
Well, the Democrats have turned their campaign into a shitshow, and the Republicans want to have a shitshow, too.

Just sitting on the hill watching the blue on blue and red on red...

It is an interesting year, in the same way slow motion trainwrecks and plane crashes are interesting.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2024, 09:42:45 pm »
I didn't get "lesser people" from that, just that their ambitions give them a different (and often more self-centered) perspective, IF they are childless by choice (he specifically exempted those who wanted children but could not have them).

Keeping in mind it's a generality to which everyone can find an exception somewhere, prove that wrong.

Having children changes your life, your focus, and your worldview.

I don't see how that doesn't apply equally to those who can't have children, regardless of the disclaimer.

And whether it changes your worldview or not, that still doesn't justify giving parents extra votes for each of his kids, which was the entire reason he made the "changes your perspective" argument.   And then, there's the whole reason he gave this particular speech in the first place -- to advocate for greater government financial support of families, including giving newly married couples a government-backed loan that is forgiven if they stayed married for a certain number of years.  I mean...this sounds exactly like the kind of government handouts for which Democrats have been pushing for decades

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2024, 09:46:34 pm »
Why is it difficult to remember there are women in America who believe in and live the motto:  "God, country, FAMILY", who know how fundamentally having children changes a worldview.  They also buy groceries, fill the car with gas, are horrified by the gay agenda in our schools, like their men strong, agree abortion should have limits ------- and will vote to prove it. 

Why do conservative/republicans kick these women to the curb in favor of satisfying and coddling the Kamalas ---- who wouldn't vote for you in either this life, or the next no matter what you say?

First, who was talking about kicking conservative women to the curb?  Who advocates for that?

Second, you are deliberately mischaracterizing the common-sense desire to appeal to independent voters with the unrealistic belief that we can convince progressive Kamala-types to vote for Republicans.  The former is essential if we want to win elections, the latter is a pipedream for which nobody is advocating anyway.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2024, 09:46:57 pm »
I'd like to know what Vance brings to the ticket?? Other than he's young.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2024, 10:59:46 pm »
DJT has proven time and time again around employment tactics.....   "Brown-nosers only apply"

   That's the way it's always been.  Sometimes I think the Trumpers never watched his garbage reality TV show, even though it's right up their alley, intellectually. 
   He's been this way forever and ever.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #63 on: July 28, 2024, 11:33:11 pm »
??? No one is kicking these women to the curb.  *****rollingeyes*****  However, JD is kicking women who are childless to the curb! 

Your analogy is weak if you would have us believe that women without children don't buy groceries, or fill their cars with gas, or like weak men who believe in abortions.

Are not all women created equal @Right_in_Virginia ?  Aren't their women who don't have children because they can't conceive?  Should they be ridiculed or granted less votes??? 

You can try to spin what he said -- but him saying he was being sarcastic as his reasoning?  Ouch....that's just as bad as his original comment.

Try again @libertybele when you're ready to at least try and make sense.

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #64 on: July 29, 2024, 06:51:51 am »


It is an interesting year, in the same way slow motion trainwrecks and plane crashes are interesting.

That’s the best description I’ve heard when it comes to describing the 2024 election cycle
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #65 on: July 29, 2024, 10:46:44 am »
Try again @libertybele when you're ready to at least try and make sense.

Read slowly.   :silly:

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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #66 on: July 29, 2024, 11:39:39 am »
It’s a pattern of behavior that nobody should have expected to change.  Do you remember the chaos from his first term?

Good point.  And it's a good thing the Democrats didn't cause one drop of that "chaos."
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #67 on: July 29, 2024, 02:20:40 pm »
Still waiting for one of our Trump zealots here to explain to me how picking JD Vance was better than choosing someone from a battleground State who, unlike Vance, actually had executive experience.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #68 on: July 29, 2024, 02:56:31 pm »
Still waiting for someone to explain what ragging on the Republican nominee 24/7/365 accomplishes other than elevating the opposition.
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« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2024, 02:59:10 pm »
Still waiting for someone to explain what ragging on the Republican nominee 24/7/365 accomplishes other than elevating the opposition.

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« Reply #70 on: July 29, 2024, 03:30:08 pm »
Still waiting for someone to explain what ragging on the Republican nominee 24/7/365 accomplishes other than elevating the opposition.

It's all opposition.

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« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2024, 03:48:09 pm »
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #72 on: July 30, 2024, 12:00:34 am »
Still waiting for someone to explain what ragging on the Republican nominee 24/7/365 accomplishes other than elevating the opposition.

You mean in here?  It doesn't "accomplish" anything because it isn't going to change anyone's vote.  Just as some others relentlessly bombarding us with pro-Trump stuff doesn't really "accomplish" anything either.

It's a discussion forum, which means the goal is to have interesting/enjoyable discussions.  And I personally don't see how that is possible unless we're all being honest about the candidates and issues.   That would seem to be a prerequisite to being...interesting.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #73 on: July 30, 2024, 04:23:42 am »
I don't see how that doesn't apply equally to those who can't have children, regardless of the disclaimer.

And whether it changes your worldview or not, that still doesn't justify giving parents extra votes for each of his kids, which was the entire reason he made the "changes your perspective" argument.   And then, there's the whole reason he gave this particular speech in the first place -- to advocate for greater government financial support of families, including giving newly married couples a government-backed loan that is forgiven if they stayed married for a certain number of years.  I mean...this sounds exactly like the kind of government handouts for which Democrats have been pushing for decades
Well, the Democrats have effectively given loans to those who often place career over family, the demographic that got college loans and did not pay them back. If they could not pay them back, maybe that MA in gender studies was a waste, and of questionable value to our society (at least not valuable enough to make enough to pay the loan back).

I'm not for government handouts of any kind, not for those who have not earned them, and parenthood (while heavily subsidized in some demographics) is one area that should be clear of government supervision. Parents did just fine raising kids for centuries without government interference, but as we have seen time and again, if government funds it, they want to run it, first 'supervision', and eventually micromanagement. That means hosts of government employees, often operating on theory and not practical experience, waving their LSW certs and getting in families' faces.

Nope, don't need it, don't want it. but it does open up to discussion why we are funding Welfare to the tune of 1.19 trillion dollars (FY 2022) when parents not sucking at the teat get to pay off college loans.

Now, in all fairness, I don't have any data on whose loans got paid off, how much their daddies make, what demographics, whether they are single or childless, what they majored in, nor their political leanings, and can only speculate that they majored in one of the adaptive radiation of social sciences feeding wokeism, that they voted Democrat, and that their parents were of means sufficient to get them into institutions that have ridiculously high tuition for the modern equivalent of degrees in underwater basketweaving. I'd be open to recanting my speculation in the face of hard data.

If we are going to raise the question of government subsidies, how about we start there, and include the unaccountable billions being spent on the however many millions of fresh illegal aliens present in our country, getting a better deal than combat veterans?

At least JD has opened the topic, now let's discuss it all.
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Re: Trump should ditch JD Vance
« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2024, 06:35:02 am »
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Still waiting for someone to explain to me how picking JD Vance was better than choosing someone from a battleground State who, unlike Vance, actually had executive experience.

Face facts, it wasn't better.  After his experience with Pence, I am certain he wanted someone he felt would NEVER give him an ounce of problems.  Vance is a bit of a groupie.  He is perfect for Trump, for he will drool at his feet when they are together.  Trump wanted one less nuisance.  PERIOD!!!

But picking a Youngkin would most definitely have helped him land Virginia.  And I do not know how well he is regarded in his own state, but Sen Johnson might have helped land Wisconsin.  Or a Gov Sununu from New Hampshire, which I believe is leaning toward Harris. 

Yes, that would help, and that one state gained might just make the difference.  But Trump just experienced and survived an assassination attempt.  I know he emerged from that event thinking he was a shoe in. 

IMHO, far from it.  They may still kill him yet.  This time the pro will be sent in without a patsy being arranged.  That kid was not there on his own, he was groomed and harvested for that very moment. 

What happens if Trump is taken out in September or October?  It is clear the Secret Service has no intention to properly protect Trump, so another attempt is possible.  Don't kid yourself, that was a planned assassination, and the job is not completed.  They will keep coming.

Trump is too open with his presence at events.  He makes an easy target.  And the SS is not doing their job.
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