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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #325 on: July 20, 2024, 02:31:44 pm »
It wasn't the tariffs that "devastated business," it was traitors willing to do business with Communist entities like Red China and Vietnam. They brought it upon themselves, and whined when they got caught.

Wow.  Why don't we just go back to full on government price controls?  The government is, after all, most capable of determining what each person is entitled to.

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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #326 on: July 20, 2024, 02:33:09 pm »
TDS is the pat response when you can’t discuss the issues. Not that I blame you. It’s all you got

I’ve never personally attacked Trump or Vance. Neither men have done anything to me to have an animosity towards them on a personal level

The consequences of bad policies are real. They don’t work just because you support them or Vance and Trump support them

There’s probably some hyperbole, but nobody here has lied or made up things when it comes to Trump’s and JD Vance’s political positions



But I’m willing to discuss issues with you in an adult matter if you’re able to

Trump wants a larger tariff policy if he gets reelected. He’s said that. I’m not making that up. Show me one example of where his last round of tariffs provided a benefit to the economy?

Don’t run away like a scared college student. Give me an example. And I don’t mean just protecting one industry. I’m talking about a benefit to the economy

@DCPatriot

You still don't get it @LMAO   Wake the hell up! 

Take your precious Conservative policies and shove them.  I DON'T CARE!!

I DON'T CARE WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S or J.D. VANCE'S ECONOMIC/SOCIAL POLICIES ARE!

What I DO care about is that the Democrat Party doesn't occupy the White House beginning January 20th, 2025.

And that's all you should give a damn about too!  But your pride will bring the destruction of your children's offspring's freedom and future.

The Democrats are a hair's breadth away from destroying this Republic for the next generation...if not in perpetuity.

You and a few others in here think you hold the Conservative moral high ground.  BFD!!  You are choosing a stupid hill upon which to die.


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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #327 on: July 20, 2024, 02:35:10 pm »
You still don't get it @LMAO   Wake the hell up! 

Take your precious Conservative policies and shove them.  I DON'T CARE!!

I DON'T CARE WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S or J.D. VANCE'S ECONOMIC/SOCIAL POLICIES ARE!

What I DO care about is that the Democrat Party doesn't occupy the White House beginning January 20th, 2025.

And that's all you should give a damn about too!  But your pride will bring the destruction of your children's offspring's freedom and future.

The Democrats are a hair's breadth away from destroying this Republic for the next generation...if not in perpetuity.

You and a few others in here think you hold the Conservative moral high ground.  BFD!!  You are choosing a stupid hill upon which to die.



You and your companion here just beautifully made my point…


This is “Hope and Change” on steroids


But that’s quite a campaign slogan. “Trump/Vance 2024..To Hell with Principles and Policy”


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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #328 on: July 20, 2024, 02:42:07 pm »
What issues?  Donald Trump and J.D. Vance are the Republican candidates for President and Vice President; and this displeases you.  Too bad.  But, it's time for you to understand that the debate and fight about this are over.  The ticket is done.

The only thing left for you to do is rally for the defeat of this Republican ticket.  Come out squarely for Biden or Kennedy and make your case --- or move on.

Well said @Right_in_Virginia I fully concur! With Trump/Vance we live to fight another day. With anything the Democrats end up with we don't. Nothing else matters between now and January 20, 2025.
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #329 on: July 20, 2024, 02:45:20 pm »
Well said @Right_in_Virginia I fully concur! With Trump/Vance we live to fight another day. With anything the Democrats end up with we don't. Nothing else matters between now and January 20, 2025.

That's a pretty good, brief, summation; with Trump we live to fight another day.

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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #330 on: July 20, 2024, 02:48:56 pm »
That's a pretty good, brief, summation; with Trump we live to fight another day.

Thank you! And everyone here knows that Trump/Vance are both human beings with plenty of imperfections. We can work on those after we get them elected.
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #331 on: July 20, 2024, 02:57:28 pm »
Bernie Sanders is saying under Trump/Vance there will be no raising of the minimum wage.   :shrug:
That's kind of up to congress and the individual states no? But I must I point out how well increasing the minimum wage turned out for  businesses and workers in California? Not to mention the impact on everyone else affected by the price increases that resulted?

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« Reply #332 on: July 20, 2024, 03:22:21 pm »
That's kind of up to congress and the individual states no? But I must I point out how well increasing the minimum wage turned out for  businesses and workers in California? Not to mention the impact on everyone else affected by the price increases that resulted?


Bernie Sanders is talking out of his ass because it does take Congress to raise the minimum wage on the federal level

Countries like Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland have no federally mandated minimum wage

The New York Times in the 1980s had an op ed advocating for no Minimum wage. Because ultimately, the minimum wage is zero
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #333 on: July 20, 2024, 03:24:20 pm »
Well said @Right_in_Virginia I fully concur! With Trump/Vance we live to fight another day. With anything the Democrats end up with we don't. Nothing else matters between now and January 20, 2025.

Thanks @Bigun    :beer:

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« Reply #334 on: July 20, 2024, 03:27:49 pm »
And I, for one, refuse to abstain and give the Dems a possible path to victory.
Amen. Voting is the manner in which citizens can select who they wish to represent them.

To abstain is to shovel disdain for the Constitution and its protections.
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« Reply #335 on: July 20, 2024, 03:35:29 pm »
You still don't get it @LMAO   Wake the hell up! 

Take your precious Conservative policies and shove them.  I DON'T CARE!!

I DON'T CARE WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S or J.D. VANCE'S ECONOMIC/SOCIAL POLICIES ARE!

What I DO care about is that the Democrat Party doesn't occupy the White House beginning January 20th, 2025.

And that's all you should give a damn about too!  But your pride will bring the destruction of your children's offspring's freedom and future.

The Democrats are a hair's breadth away from destroying this Republic for the next generation...if not in perpetuity.

You and a few others in here think you hold the Conservative moral high ground.  BFD!!  You are choosing a stupid hill upon which to die.


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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #336 on: July 20, 2024, 03:37:43 pm »

Anyone who assists a party that votes unanimously to permit non-citizens to vote in our elections is destructive to the Constitution of this country.

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AMEN, brother!!   :beer:
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #337 on: July 20, 2024, 04:18:12 pm »
You still don't get it @LMAO   Wake the hell up! 

Take your precious Conservative policies and shove them.  I DON'T CARE!!

I DON'T CARE WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S or J.D. VANCE'S ECONOMIC/SOCIAL POLICIES ARE!

What I DO care about is that the Democrat Party doesn't occupy the White House beginning January 20th, 2025.

And that's all you should give a damn about too!  But your pride will bring the destruction of your children's offspring's freedom and future.

The Democrats are a hair's breadth away from destroying this Republic for the next generation...if not in perpetuity.

You and a few others in here think you hold the Conservative moral high ground.  BFD!!  You are choosing a stupid hill upon which to die.

That kind of attitude is for sports. You want to wed yourself to a sports team, fine. Go at it.

If you want to abandon principle for naked partisanship, don't be surprised when that team you've wed yourself to sells you up a river just like the other side you so villify. The Republicans are just as capable of "destroying the Republic" as the Democrats are.

And DON'T YOU DARE talk to me about offspring I was never allowed to have.
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #338 on: July 20, 2024, 04:30:39 pm »
OR -- let's let a DEM win so that we can continue on the same course at a much faster pace than we are now.  :shrug:

Heck of a choice isn't it?

A choice of our own making.  When Republicans nominate liberals as their candidates, this is what we are left with.  And if anyone was expecting Trump to pick a small-government type as his VP, they certainly were not paying attention.

But then there is a third choice - Not voting for either.  Voting for someone else.  Voting for someone who actually believes in the Constitution and the limitations it places on government.  It's too bad that Trump and Vance don't.  Nor do a majority of Republicans.
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #339 on: July 20, 2024, 04:33:04 pm »
One thing I will garan-damn-tee you all is that we will get NONE of what we seek with Joe Biden, or any other Democrat for that matter, in the Whitehouse!

I can garan-damn-tee you all is that I will get NONE of what I seek with Donald Trump, or JD Vance for that matter, in the Whitehouse!

Meanwhile, the GOP does the same thing over with zero expectations.
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« Reply #340 on: July 20, 2024, 04:45:09 pm »
LOL!  There is no point whatsoever in "...looking beyond that day" if we don't win the election, Mr. Chairman of the Board of the Briefer NTs suffering from incurable TDS!

If you get there by promoting the ideas of your enemy, that is not winning. That is capitulation.

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« Reply #341 on: July 20, 2024, 04:46:48 pm »
You still don't get it @LMAO   Wake the hell up! 

Take your precious Conservative policies and shove them.  I DON'T CARE!!

I DON'T CARE WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S or J.D. VANCE'S ECONOMIC/SOCIAL POLICIES ARE!

What I DO care about is that the Democrat Party doesn't occupy the White House beginning January 20th, 2025.

We could have had both.  But no.  Had to go for the populist Democrat with his Democrat economic policies instead.


And that's all you should give a damn about too!  But your pride will bring the destruction of your children's offspring's freedom and future.

The ONE THING greater than any other that brings destruction to the freedom and future of my children's offspring is deficit spending.  Not just that, but the devaluation of the currency through the reckless printing of money for the sole purpose of funding government excess.  If you truly gave a damn about future generations, you would be irate at the pending collapse of the US economy that this policy is pushing us towards.  But you don't.  All you care about is your own emotional satisfaction that you get from your orange savior.  Because when you're dead, you won't be paying the cost of a $1,000 loaf of bread or a national debt that is three times GDP.


The Democrats are a hair's breadth away from destroying this Republic for the next generation...if not in perpetuity.

As are the Republicans, at $2 trillion per year.


You and a few others in here think you hold the Conservative moral high ground.  BFD!!  You are choosing a stupid hill upon which to die.[/size]

Conservatives are the only ones here who recognize the problem.
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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #342 on: July 20, 2024, 05:04:02 pm »
We could have had both.  But no.  Had to go for the populist Democrat with his Democrat economic policies instead.


The ONE THING greater than any other that brings destruction to the freedom and future of my children's offspring is deficit spending.  Not just that, but the devaluation of the currency through the reckless printing of money for the sole purpose of funding government excess.  If you truly gave a damn about future generations, you would be irate at the pending collapse of the US economy that this policy is pushing us towards.  But you don't.  All you care about is your own emotional satisfaction that you get from your orange savior.  Because when you're dead, you won't be paying the cost of a $1,000 loaf of bread or a national debt that is three times GDP.


As are the Republicans, at $2 trillion per year.


Conservatives are the only ones here who recognize the problem.

Absolutely there is undoubtedly a problem.  Again, the choice was made for Trump.  Certainly not one that I am overly elated with as I would have rather had DeSantis who is a conservative.  Trump is a patriot and I believe will cut us a better path forward than the DEMS.  Prayers and more prayers.  This country is still in need of drastic change and IMHO a miracle.

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« Reply #343 on: July 20, 2024, 05:05:53 pm »
Lockdowns were the original recommendation of Fauci.

Bullshit. Blame-shifting. Any other person the fault would be right at the top. That's where the buck stops. Always. And that's. what you're buying.

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As I have pointed out before -- within a short period of time Trump left it up to the states.  TX was first to start lifting the shutdowns and then FL.


Again... Blame-shifting. States cannot operate normally with federal  hands at the throat of ports, transportation, banks, and etc.

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I am so sorry that you suffered financial destruction as did most of the country.  IMHO COVID was the handiwork of the leftists in order to tank our economy and steal an election for Brandon.

Suuuure. Defunitely not the fault of the guy who did it.  *****rollingeyes*****

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I am not set out to change your mind, I am only pointing out my observations and what I know has been true for those in FL. I also do know that my wallet was a little bit thicker under Trump than what we're living through now. Our grocery bill has darn near tripled.  We don't have the luxury of having a nice vegetable crop (nor the land) nor swapping with farmers or hunting.  SO we are at the mercy of supermarkets and heck I feel fortunate for Farmer Joes -- quality meat and vegs/fruits from local sources for the most part.  Gas prices have doubled....etc.....you've heard it all before.

Your boy had a big hand in it. Inflation is a lagging indicator, and was already on the way up prior to Bidet's ascension... As a direct result of funny money printed under Tumpy, as many here predicted. Bidet offered no succor, to be sure... But Tumpy's hands are far, far from clean.

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There isn't anyone that I know of that isn't struggling under Brandon. No one.

That is a poor excuse for returning to failed policies that came before.

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We only have so many alternatives; Trump, Brandon, Kennedy, another 3rd party or abstain.   :shrug:

The shit sandwich vs. the turd burger argument. Of course the proper answer is 'neither'. To *endorse* either way is absurd.

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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #344 on: July 20, 2024, 05:08:21 pm »
One thing I will garan-damn-tee you all is that we will get NONE of what we seek with Joe Biden, or any other Democrat for that matter, in the Whitehouse!

That is  mighty low bar.

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Re: Trump picks Ohio Sen. JD Vance for vice president
« Reply #345 on: July 20, 2024, 05:12:59 pm »
Bullshit. Blame-shifting. Any other person the fault would be right at the top. That's where the buck stops. Always. And that's. what you're buying.

Again... Blame-shifting. States cannot operate normally with federal  hands at the throat of ports, transportation, banks, and etc.

FLorida and Texas seemed to do just fine.  Both Abbott and DeSantis told the Feds where to shove it.

Suuuure. Defunitely not the fault of the guy who did it.  *****rollingeyes*****

Your boy had a big hand in it. Inflation is a lagging indicator, and was already on the way up prior to Bidet's ascension... As a direct result of funny money printed under Tumpy, as many here predicted. Bidet offered no succor, to be sure... But Tumpy's hands are far, far from clean.

That is a poor excuse for returning to failed policies that came before.

I have no desire to return to failed policies but I look forward to policies that did work and hopefully this time around, they'll be made into law.

The shit sandwich vs. the turd burger argument. Of course the proper answer is 'neither'. To *endorse* either way is absurd.

You see this as an endorsement.  I see this as @Bigun stated -- if Trump is re-elected, we may live to see another day.

Our options absolutely stink.  That's the hand that we are dealt and that's what we have to roll with.
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« Reply #346 on: July 20, 2024, 05:16:22 pm »
It wasn't the tariffs that "devastated business," it was traitors willing to do business with Communist entities like Red China and Vietnam. They brought it upon themselves, and whined when they got caught.

Oh bullshit!  When your entire supply system runs through China, and you shut it OFF, EVERYBODY is a 'traitor willing to do business...' Business is about offering a better alternative. There was no alternative. He shut it the f*ck off.

What a dumbass thing to do.

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« Reply #347 on: July 20, 2024, 05:18:08 pm »
Wow.  Why don't we just go back to full on government price controls?  The government is, after all, most capable of determining what each person is entitled to.

That's where electronic money is going.

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« Reply #348 on: July 20, 2024, 05:19:59 pm »
I DON'T CARE WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S or J.D. VANCE'S ECONOMIC/SOCIAL POLICIES ARE!

And there it is.

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« Reply #349 on: July 20, 2024, 05:28:00 pm »
You see this as an endorsement.  I see this as @Bigun stated -- if Trump is re-elected, we may live to see another day.

Our options absolutely stink.  That's the hand that we are dealt and that's what we have to roll with.

All your vote can ever be is an endorsement. That is what a vote is.