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A discussion of the Slaying the Sky Dragon science: Is the Greenhouse Effect a Sky Dragon Myth?

 “Skeptics” are described as if they are one small block of  fringe extremists, but not only is half the population skeptical in some sense, in this debate I am not on either extreme, but a centrist, smack in the middle. On the one hand, alarmists are convinced the climate is headed for a catastrophe, and on the other some people are convinced there is no greenhouse effect at all. Wes Allen, sits in the middle with me, and he’s been engaged in an intense debate with people on both ends of the spectrum. After a scorching critique of Tim Flannery’s work, he has swung his attention the other way. Here is his synopsis of the Slayers book, for discussion, and I’m sure it will generate a long passionate defence and debate, just as previous posts on this topic have. (eg: Why greenhouse gas warming doesn’t break the second law of thermodynamics and So what is the Second Darn Law?). I know the Slayers are keen to discuss their ideas. I’m hopeful people can remain polite, as that’s where progress may be made… many thanks to Wes here who has done a diligent write up, and has gone to great lengths to get the details right. The man is in a relentless pursuit of answers. Some may prefer to read the full PDF, I’ve only posted parts of the first 4 pages here. Sorry I can’t post it all up, but it is long! – Jo

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Is the Greenhouse Effect a Sky Dragon Myth?

A Dialogue with the Authors of Slaying the Sky Dragon

Dr D Weston Allen – meet the author here          30th September 2012

INTRODUCTION

My book, The Weather Makers Re-Examined, published in 2011 by Irenic Publications, was a comprehensive and damning critique of Tim Flannery’s alarming best seller which claimed ‘we are The Weather Makers’.  I now examine Slaying the Sky Dragon (SSD), a full frontal attack on the greenhouse theory or ‘sky dragon’ by eight authors who refer to themselves as the ‘Slayers’ (p.358) – a term I adopt when referring to them.  This 358 page book was published in 2011 by Stairway Press in WA (USA).

Defining the sky dragon

The ‘greenhouse theory’ gradually evolved from the seminal work and limited understanding of Joseph Fourier in the 1820s, John Tyndall in the 1860s, Svante Arrhenius in 1896-1908, Guy Callendar in 1938 to Gilbert Plass in the 1950s.  It holds that solar radiation penetrates Earth’s atmosphere to reach the surface which is warmed by the absorption of this electromagnetic energy.  The warmed surface emits infrared radiation, and much of this outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) is intercepted by trace gases in the atmosphere.  Some of this energy is radiated back to Earth’s surface where it is absorbed as thermal energy, thus enhancing solar warming of the surface by day and slowing cooling by night.  Since glass on a greenhouse also absorbs and re-radiates infrared (IR) radiation, this atmospheric phenomenon became known as the ‘greenhouse effect’ (GHE), and the trace gases are referred to as ‘greenhouse gases’ (GHG).

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I read the article, and I still don't know what a "sky dragon" is.
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They live in Honahlee.

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They live in Honahlee.
Sounds like there's a whole lot of 'Puff'ing going on...

But I have a question. Remember the 60s when rivers caught fire, when rain dissolved nylons, when every urban center had a dome of bad air (or a wedge of smog shoved up against the mountains), when smokestacks were puffing out particulates (and beneath them, paychecks)--all that stuff that just isn't happening here where we all now exhale clear, plant feeding, "pollution"?

Why wasn't the sea level rising and going to drown us all then?
Why wasn't the planet going to self-immolate then?
Why have the temperatures (even in retrospect*) gone up instead of down?
Could it be that science isn't driving global warming, but that it is vice-versa?

*by "retrospect" referring to National Weather Service official extreme low static air temperatures that have vanished from the records, modified several degrees warmer than those announced then and there (in Riverton, WY, and Williston, ND)
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I read the article, and I still don't know what a "sky dragon" is.

If I read it right, it looks like they don't believe in greenhouse gases or greenhouse effect.
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