Trump Advisers Plan Aid Halt to Ukraine for Peace Talks

[mystery-ak]

Trump Advisers Plan Aid Halt to Ukraine for Peace Talks
Tuesday, 25 June 2024 07:46 AM EDT

Two key advisers to Donald Trump have presented him with a plan to end Russia's war in Ukraine — if he wins the presidential election — that involves telling Ukraine it will only get more U.S. weapons if it enters into peace talks.

The United States would at the same time warn Moscow that any refusal to negotiate would result in increased U.S. support for Ukraine, retired Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, one of Trump's national security advisers, said in an interview.

Under the plan drawn up by Kellogg and Fred Fleitz, who each served as chiefs of staff in Trump's National Security Council during his 2017-2021 presidency, there would be a cease-fire based on prevailing battle lines during peace talks.

They have presented their strategy to Trump, and the former president responded favorably, said Fleitz, a Newsmax TV contributor.

"I'm not claiming he agreed with it or agreed with every word of it, but we were pleased to get the feedback we did," he said.

However, Trump spokesperson Steven Cheung said only statements made by Trump or authorized members of his campaign should be deemed official.

The strategy outlined by Kellogg and Fleitz is the most detailed plan yet by associates of Trump, who has said he could quickly settle the war in Ukraine if he beats President Joe Biden in the Nov. 5 election, though he has not discussed specifics.

The proposal would mark a dramatic shift in the U.S. position on the war and would face opposition from European allies and within Trump's own Republican Party.

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https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/trump-plan-russia/2024/06/25/id/1170017/

[libertybele]

I tend to agree with him, but many will see this as a push to surrender to Russia.

[Kamaji]

I tend to agree with him, but many will see this as a push to surrender to Russia.

Then they'll be seeing reality, because that is in fact what it will be.

[Smokin Joe]

Russia can have peace any time they want.

Go back to Russia.

[berdie]

Russia can have peace any time they want.

Go back to Russia.

Exactly

[kevindavis007]

So Trump wants to be the next Neville Chamberlain.

[Timber Rattler]

Or in other words, force Ukraine's surrender.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Posted for those allergic to reading beyond the headline:

Trump Advisers Plan Aid Halt to Ukraine for Peace Talks
Tuesday, 25 June 2024 07:46 AM EDT

They have presented their strategy to Trump, and the former president responded favorably, said Fleitz, a Newsmax TV contributor.

"I'm not claiming he agreed with it or agreed with every word of it, but we were pleased to get the feedback we did," he said.

However, Trump spokesperson Steven Cheung said only statements made by Trump or authorized members of his campaign should be deemed official.

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https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/trump-plan-russia/2024/06/25/id/1170017/

[Right_in_Virginia]

Or in other words, force Ukraine's surrender.

We know ----  you won't negotiate peace in a decades old border conflict until the entire current generation of Ukrainian men is dead, buckets of American blood have been spilled and the US has declared bankruptcy. 

The world is lucky to have you.   

[Timber Rattler]

So Trump wants to be the next Neville Chamberlain.

It would be the same thing as if Franklin Roosevelt had withheld Lend-Lease Aid from Britain to force Churchill to surrender to Hitler, just to re-establish "peace."

I'm really sick of this absurd euphemism that pro-Kremlin idiots are tossing around, which amounts to "land for peace" that would never come with Putin.

[Timber Rattler]

We know ----  you won't negotiate peace in a decades old border conflict until the entire current generation of Ukrainian men is dead, buckets of American blood have been spilled and the US has declared bankruptcy. 

The world is lucky to have you.   

How do you "negotiate peace" with a bad faith lying thug like Vladimir Putin, who has never honored any of his agreements with Russia's neighboring countries?  Have you not learned anything from history, especially the 1938 Munich Agreement?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

[Right_in_Virginia]

How do you "negotiate peace" with a bad faith lying thug like Vladimir Putin, who has never honored any of his agreements with Russia's neighboring countries?  Have you not learned anything from history

Lesson one:  Europe's wars are over --- if Europe chooses to keep them alive, it's on them.  Wish them good luck, take a deep breath and join the world in the 21st Century ----

[kevindavis007]

It would be the same thing as if Franklin Roosevelt had withheld Lend-Lease Aid from Britain to force Churchill to surrender to Hitler, just to re-establish "peace."

I'm really sick of this absurd euphemism that pro-Kremlin idiots are tossing around, which amounts to "land for peace" that would never come with Putin.

I never thought I would see the day there are pro Kremlin elements infecting the Party of Reagan.

[Timber Rattler]

Lesson one:  Europe's wars are over --- if Europe chooses to keep them alive, it's on them.  Wish them good luck, take a deep breath and join the world in the 21st Century ----

So how'd that work out in 1917 and 1941?

Zimmermann Telegram (1917)

https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/zimmermann-telegram


Germany resumes unrestricted submarine warfare

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/germany-resumes-unrestricted-submarine-warfare


Pre-U.S. Entry Into WWII

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/museums/nmusn/explore/photography/wwii/wwii-atlantic/battle-of-the-atlantic/pre-us-entry-into-wwii.html


Germany declares war on the United States

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/germany-declares-war-on-the-united-states

[kevindavis007]

Lesson one:  Europe's wars are over --- if Europe chooses to keep them alive, it's on them.  Wish them good luck, take a deep breath and join the world in the 21st Century ----

Join what world? The world that is run by Russia and China?


Since you are supporting Russia, you are supporting China, Iran, and other enemies of America.


Russia wins, China wins (along with Iran and NK)
Russia loses, China loses (along with Iran and NK)


It's plain and simple.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I never thought I would see the day there are pro Kremlin elements infecting the Party of Reagan.

What the heck does this BS    have to do with this post

Lesson one:  Europe's wars are over --- if Europe chooses to keep them alive, it's on them.  Wish them good luck, take a deep breath and join the world in the 21st Century ----

[Right_in_Virginia]

Since you are supporting Russia, you are supporting China, Iran, and other enemies of America.

I support the security and fiscal strength of the United States of America.  Maybe someday you will, too.

[LMAO]

I support the security and fiscal strength of the United States of America.  Maybe someday you will, too.

No

If you really supported our fiscal strength, you would be in opposition to another Trump presidency. There is nothing in his record or proposals that even hints at getting us back on a more sound fiscal path.  And no, you’re never going to  ever drill enough oil to pay for Social Security(Trump’s actual proposal) lol

[kevindavis007]

I support the security and fiscal strength of the United States of America.  Maybe someday you will, too.

Too bad your guy who is running for President doesn't believe in Fiscal restraint.  By the way, if we do nothing to stop Russia, I hope you enjoy your grandkids either fighting Russia or China down the road.

[LMAO]

Speaking of fiscal health, We’re staring at $2 trillion deficits under Biden. And this is in a time when we’re not directly at war and the economy is supposedly doing well

We should be hitting him over the head on that issue, ripping his insides out over that issue, and just being general assholes to him over that issue alone

But we can’t. Because our standard bearer did and wants to do the same thing with deficits

[DefiantMassRINO]

correction ... Trump Advisers Plan Aid Halt to Ukraine for Peace Surrender Talks

[Right_in_Virginia]

By the way, if we do nothing to stop Russia, I hope you enjoy your grandkids either fighting Russia or China down the road.

You're thisclose to acting the fool.  Perhaps it's time for you to permanently close your John le Carré/Robert Ludlum library. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

[kevindavis007]

You're thisclose to acting the fool.  Perhaps it's time for you to permanently close your John le Carré/Robert Ludlum library. 

I'm not the one who supports Russia.

[kevindavis007]

Your support of a shrub who exposed the names of Afgan informants who were helping us and used to be on the Kremlin Payroll says a lot about you.