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Offline rangerrebew

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Could US Navy’s Constellation-class frigates share Littoral Combat Ship fate?
« on: June 12, 2024, 12:46:53 pm »
Could US Navy’s Constellation-class frigates share Littoral Combat Ship fate?
Design immaturity and a US procurement tendency to stray from original blueprints could lead the US Navy into trouble with its Constellation programme.

Richard Thomas
June 11, 2024
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The US Navy is planning for the build of 20 Constellation-class guided-missile frigates. Credit: US DoD
Analysis of the US Government Accountability Office’s (GAO) report into the failings of the US Navy’s Constellation-class frigate programme, detailing incomplete designs and the build of the first-in-class being “at a standstill”, indicate concerning similarities with the ill-fated Littoral Combat Ship (LCS).
 
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It would be grimly ironic should the Constellation programme suffer similar issues as seen in the twin variant LCS project, the class of warships the future frigate is intended to replace.

As with early-build LCS, the Constellation programme is also suffering from an incomplete design, with the build of the first-in-class recently described by the GAO as being “at a standstill”.

Key among this is an apparent increase in the anticipated displacement of the Constellation-class guided missile frigates (FFG), which were thought to be based heavily on the Italian-French FREMM frigates that have been in service for several years.

The LCS programme too suffered through weight increases through the early build warships.

https://www.naval-technology.com/features/could-us-navys-constellation-class-frigates-share-littoral-combat-ship-fate/
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Re: Could US Navy’s Constellation-class frigates share Littoral Combat Ship fate?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2024, 12:49:00 pm »
Does anyone, other than me, get the impression the Navy is clueless as to what to plan for? :shrug:
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Re: Could US Navy’s Constellation-class frigates share Littoral Combat Ship fate?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2024, 01:09:51 pm »
The dinks don't even know what they are trying to build.

"the Constellation programme is also suffering from an incomplete design"

Italian and French frigates, really?  That's the benchmark?  Why not just buy them from Italy and France, and make modifications?

Key among this is an apparent increase in the anticipated displacement of the Constellation-class guided missile frigates (FFG), which were thought to be based heavily on the Italian-French FREMM frigates that have been in service for several years.

You can't erect a building on-time and within-budget without a completed design.  What makes them think that can build new classes of ships without completed designs, and stay on schedule and on budget?

If there are no completed plans, you can't have a budget or a schedule.  Completed plans are necessary to determine budgets and schedules.

If there are no completed plans, there is no budget and no schedule to be had.  You are just wasting time and throwing money into a black hole.

WTF is wrong with these people that they can repeat the same mistake and get different results?
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Re: Could US Navy’s Constellation-class frigates share Littoral Combat Ship fate?
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2024, 07:55:55 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on June 12, 2024, 01:09:51 pm
The dinks don't even know what they are trying to build.

"the Constellation programme is also suffering from an incomplete design"

Italian and French frigates, really?  That's the benchmark?  Why not just buy them from Italy and France, and make modifications?

Key among this is an apparent increase in the anticipated displacement of the Constellation-class guided missile frigates (FFG), which were thought to be based heavily on the Italian-French FREMM frigates that have been in service for several years.

You can't erect a building on-time and within-budget without a completed design.  What makes them think that can build new classes of ships without completed designs, and stay on schedule and on budget?

If there are no completed plans, you can't have a budget or a schedule.  Completed plans are necessary to determine budgets and schedules.

If there are no completed plans, there is no budget and no schedule to be had.  You are just wasting time and throwing money into a black hole.

WTF is wrong with these people that they can repeat the same mistake and get different results?
Yep. Not a formula for success.
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