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Great Lakes Water Levels are falling due to Climate Change

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It’s no secret that, partially due to climate change, the water levels in the Great Lakes are getting very low. It’s becoming such a problem that six U.S. Senators from Great Lakes states are upset with President Obama for overlooking the Lakes in his Climate Action Plan. Here are a few excerpts of the letter to the President from Senators Levin, Durbin, Franken, Brown, Schumer, and Stabenow:

https://www.nrdc.org/experts/aliya-haq/climate-change-lowering-great-lakes-water-levels-should-waukesha-be-allowed-tap
Rising temperatures, extreme weather, damaged ecosystems and rising sea levels are affecting all parts of the world, and the Great Lakes are no exception. Home to 84 percent of North America’s surface fresh water and 21 percent of the world’s fresh water, the lakes are becoming ever more threatened as the Earth’s temperatures continue to rise.

Lake Erie has been particularly prone to the impacts of rising carbon dioxide concentrations and warming lake temperatures. Tourism, recreation, fish and wildlife, and shipping are all being impacted by the changing climate, and the situation is expected to only worsen in the decades to come.

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Re: Great Lakes Water Levels are falling due to Climate Change
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2024, 09:35:43 am »
The water levels in the Great Lakes have been falling since the end of the last ice age
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Re: Great Lakes Water Levels are falling due to Climate Change
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2024, 11:01:35 am »
Change happens ...

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Great Lakes Levels in Constant Flux
November 13, 2007
By Douglas A. Wilcox, Todd A. Thompson, Robert K. Booth and J. R. Nicholas

The recent decline of water levels across the Great Lakes has generated considerable media coverage and alarming pronouncements about climate change. But a new report by researchers with the U.S. Geological Survey documents a natural variation[1] in Great Lakes levels throughout millenniums. Moreover, the fluctuations of the past century have been far less dramatic than previous ones. The geologic record also reveals thousands of years of significant climate variability in the Great Lakes region, according to the report, which is excerpted below. ...
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Re: Great Lakes Water Levels are falling due to Climate Change
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2024, 12:39:19 pm »
Looks like BS to me. 

Before I moved to Phoenix, I lived and worked in Michigan.  The levels of the lakes do change, they always have.  It is true that Erie has the most change, but that's because it's the shallowest of the Lakes.  Superior is the deepest.
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2024, 03:06:23 pm »
Looks like BS to me. 

Before I moved to Phoenix, I lived and worked in Michigan.  The levels of the lakes do change, they always have.  It is true that Erie has the most change, but that's because it's the shallowest of the Lakes.  Superior is the deepest.

I don’t know if you’ve ever been in Duluth, but if you look up hill from downtown Duluth, all that at the top used to be the shoreline of Lake Superior
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Re: Great Lakes Water Levels are falling due to Climate Change
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2024, 03:27:16 pm »
I don’t know if you’ve ever been in Duluth, but if you look up hill from downtown Duluth, all that at the top used to be the shoreline of Lake Superior

Never been to Duluth.  When was the "used to be?"  Living memory? 
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Re: Great Lakes Water Levels are falling due to Climate Change
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2024, 05:02:50 pm »
The Great Lakes are fresh water. North of the Mississippi/Ohio/Missouri drainage.
Canada had a massive drought last year. Where do the waters that refresh the Great Lakes come from?

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2024, 05:25:24 pm »
Never been to Duluth.  When was the "used to be?"  Living memory?

About 11 to 12,000 years ago.

It’s called Skyline Scenic  Drive and  it’s well above Duluth. And it was once the shoreline for Lake Superior after the glaciers melted

So I read  doom and gloom stories  about Lake Superior receding, it’s been receding since the end of the last Ice Age

Starting from where I live going north, there are a lot of remnants of the  glacier that once covered us


It’s hard for people to grasp how deep Lake Superior once was without actually seeing Skyline  Drive
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2024, 05:41:45 pm »
About 11 to 12,000 years ago.

It’s called Skyline Scenic  Drive and  it’s well above Duluth. And it was once the shoreline for Lake Superior after the glaciers melted

So I read  doom and gloom stories  about Lake Superior receding, it’s been receding since the end of the last Ice Age

Starting from where I live going north, there are a lot of remnants of the  glacier that once covered us


It’s hard for people to grasp how deep Lake Superior once was without actually seeing Skyline  Drive

I would love to see Skyline Drive.

Here are some quick fact about Lake Superior:


1.  Lake Superior is the largest freshwater lake in the world by surface area, contains 10% of the worlds freshwater, and covers an area of 31,700 sq mi (82,000 km sq).

2.  The average depth of Lake Superior is 483 feet (147 metres) with its deepest point reaching 1,332 feet (406 metres).

3.  All the water from the other Great Lakes, plus 3 extra Lake Erie’s, can be held by Lake Superior.

4.  The largest feed of water into Lake Superior, and the most northern point of the Lake, is the Nipigon River which is also home to the World Record Brook Trout.

5.  It is estimated that of the 10,000 shipwrecks in the Great Lakes 350 are in Lake Superior. Many have been found and recorded while half have not yet been located. One of the most popular shipwrecks is the SS Edmund Fitzgerald which to this day is the largest shipwreck in Lake Superior. A great place to learn more about Great Lake shipwrecks is the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum.

6.  The shoreline of Lake Superior borders the Canadian province of Ontario and the three U.S. states of Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.

7.  It takes 551 billion gallons of water to raise the water level one inch.

8.  Lake Superior and it’s corresponding waterways and wetlands is home to 88 species of fish.

9.  The Ojibwe name for Lake Superior is Gitchi-Gami which translates to “Great sea”.

10.  The shoreline of Lake Superior is 2,726 miles (4,385 km) long.

11.  It is extremely rare for Lake Superior to 100% freeze over. The last time it came close was in 2014 when it had 91% ice coverage. Before 2014 the closest it came to freezing over was in 1979.

12.  Lake Superior was formed roughly 1.2 billion years ago.

13.  Lake Superior Agates are one of the most sought after souvenirs from the area.

14.  The largest city on Lake Superior is Thunder Bay located in the province of Ontario within Ontario’s Superior Country Region.

15.  The water contained in Lake Superior could cover all of North and South America in one foot of water!

16.  The primary outflow of water from Lake Superior is St. Mary’s River which is 74.5 miles (120km) long. It drains from Lake Superior into Lake Huron.

17.  The largest Island on Lake Superior is Isle Royale a part of the U.S. state of Michigan. It is surrounded by 450 smaller islands all of which form the Isle Royale National Park. Isle Royale itself is 206 sq mi (534 sq km). It’s immense size makes it the fourth largest lake island in the world. It is so large that it has its own lakes with Siskiwit Lake being the largest.

18.  Lake Superior was charted in 1667 which lead to the lake becoming a major aspect in fur trading.

19.  Lake Superior is the coldest of the Great Lakes with an average temperature of between 36 and 39 degrees Fahrenheit (2 and 4 degrees Celsius).

20.  Storm season on Lake Superior is in October and November. The largest waves ever recorded on Lake Superior were 28.8 feet (8.8 meters) high and were recorded in October of 2017. The waves averaged this height for a period of an hour, meaning that some of the waves were likely over 30 feet (9 meters) high. It is also likely that Lake Superior has had even larger waves that have not been officially recorded.

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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2024, 05:46:22 pm »
Article is dated; but I found interesting

Lake Superior trending down but still near record high-water mark

https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/lake-superior-trending-down-but-still-near-record-high-water-mark

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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2024, 05:48:06 pm »
And another fact about Lake Superior it’s the toughest lake to  fish. Most of Lake Superior contains no life. My best luck is always right outside the Wisconsin entry

That’s why bodies that drown in its depths are well preserved for many years. No bacteria


When the wind comes off the lake, the difference between the air temperature in Duluth and Superior can be about 20° cooler than further inland

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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2024, 05:58:38 pm »
And another fact about Lake Superior it’s the toughest lake to  fish. Most of Lake Superior contains no life. My best luck is always right outside the Wisconsin entry

That’s why bodies that drown in its depths are well preserved for many years. No bacteria


When the wind comes off the lake, the difference between the air temperature in Duluth and Superior can be about 20° cooler than further inland

No life???   I lived in MI for years....my Dad used to go on fishing trips...and came back with fish.

Check out this picture of a Northern Pike: (I preferred Walleye or Trout)



https://fishingbooker.com/blog/fishing-on-lake-superior/
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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2024, 06:03:48 pm »
Most of Lake Superior is sterile because it’s so deep and cold. Bacteria can’t grow

That’s why drowned  bodies stay preserved so well

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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2024, 06:25:40 pm »
There are 34 native fish species and a total of 88 fish species in Lake Superior.

Lots of water in Lakes Superior ..... maybe you need to fish different times of the year or take a charter.  :laugh:

https://www.lakesuperiorfishing.com/species/

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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2024, 06:26:05 pm »
Most of Lake Superior is sterile because it’s so deep and cold. Bacteria can’t grow

That’s why drowned  bodies stay preserved so well

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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2024, 06:58:05 pm »
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2024, 07:00:27 pm »
maybe that's the problem. Maybe those eastern Canucks need to drink more beer.
Tell em. They'll be alright with it.

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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2024, 07:11:26 pm »
The Great Lakes are fresh water. North of the Mississippi/Ohio/Missouri drainage.
Canada had a massive drought last year. Where do the waters that refresh the Great Lakes come from?

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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2024, 07:47:51 pm »
Most of Lake Superior is sterile because it’s so deep and cold. Bacteria can’t grow

That’s why drowned  bodies stay preserved so well
Most of the life in the lake will be in the top 300 ft. (where sunlight can reach). It's the same in any body of water.
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2024, 07:59:17 pm »
maybe that's the problem. Maybe those eastern Canucks need to drink more beer.
Tell em. They'll be alright with it.

Their beer sucks.

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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2024, 08:08:40 pm »
Most of the life in the lake will be in the top 300 ft. (where sunlight can reach). It's the same in any body of water.

I see this when fishing out there on my graph. Even over 300 feet of water, the fish won’t be more than 80 feet down. Below that, dead water

The bodies of the Edmund Fitzgerald are still well preserved from their sinking in 1975

When you find the fish, they are easy to catch. I’ve been fishing Lake Superior for over 20 years and I still feel like an amateur every time I go out. 


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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2024, 08:12:37 pm »
Their beer sucks.

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No worse than others. Plenty of Kokanee has passed through my bladder. I would take Kokanee over any but maybe Rainier. Moosehead/Cracked Canoe too, though not as likely out here. Molson to a lesser extent... But I don't like LaBatts.

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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2024, 08:18:11 pm »
I see this when fishing out there on my graph. Even over 300 feet of water, the fish won’t be more than 80 feet down. Below that, dead water

The bodies of the Edmund Fitzgerald are still well preserved from their sinking in 1975

I saw that. The Fitz holds a place in my heart. The Iron Boats are one of the things I kept from Great Lakes culture, all these years. They still give me a thrill if I go back east... Never miss a chance to get to the docks to watch em come in, or watch em from the Indiana Dunes with a spotting scope.

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« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2024, 08:57:22 pm »
I got caught out there many years ago when the wind switched out of the east and I was far from shore. Scariest boat ride back to the landing in my life


Once you make that mistake, you’ll never make it again. Guaranteed

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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2024, 09:17:55 pm »
I got caught out there many years ago when the wind switched out of the east and I was far from shore. Scariest boat ride back to the landing in my life


Once you make that mistake, you’ll never make it again. Guaranteed

I know the feeling-- we were sailing on lake Eerie and got caught up in a squall that seemed to just come out of nowhere.  Long story short the motor flooded and then the tiller broke.  Definitely a scary ride back.