Donald Trump Jr. criticizes Republicans for reluctance to fight Democrats’ ‘fire with fire’

[roamer_1]

I take an entirely different view. And that's alright!

I'm convinced that the primary purpose of the entire COVID episode was to get rid of Trump and it failed.

No... They didn't plunge the whole of Western Civilization into a meat grinder just to get rid of Tumpy.
Tumpy had naught to do with what went on in England, and Canada, and Australia as instances... But the patterns were exactly the same. 'Getting rid of Tumpy' may have been a perk, but it was not the point of the exercise. And besides - He folded. He went along with it.

'Two weeks to flatten the curve', my ass.

[Bigun]

No... They didn't plunge the whole of Western Civilization into a meat grinder just to get rid of Tumpy.
Tumpy had naught to do with what went on in England, and Canada, and Australia as instances... But the patterns were exactly the same. 'Getting rid of Tumpy' may have been a perk, but it was not the point of the exercise. And besides - He folded. He went along with it.

'Two weeks to flatten the curve', my ass.

I think that is EXACTLY what they did! And they had the willing aid of a great many.

[LMAO]

It is entirely fair to judge Donald Trump on how he handled the pandemic

It paints a picture of his governing philosophy and how he would handle any crisis.


I did support him when he put restrictions on travel from China and I thought it was low of the media and the left to blame him for the deaths

But under what constitutional authority did he have to tell people that they didn’t have to pay their rent? I know a couple landlords that got screwed horribly

If you believe that Covid was put out there to get Donald Trump out of office, well, he did go along with it in many ways


When a Republican takes Bernie Sanders and John Kerry’s side when it comes to policy, that’s a major problem. At one time, Republicans like that were called RINOs

[roamer_1]

I think that is EXACTLY what they did! And they had the willing aid of a great many.

That has messianic tones.

[Bigun]

That has messianic tones.

Many people here greatly underestimate the administrative state. I'm not one of them. To me, those bastards are public enemy #1!

[roamer_1]

Tumpy isn't going to save you. He ain't even going to come close.

[roamer_1]

Many people here greatly underestimate the administrative state. I'm not one of them. To me, those bastards are public enemy #1!

Then when he's at the top of it, what does that make him?

[Bigun]

Then when he's at the top of it, what does that make him?

Severely constrained by the U. S. Senate, The CIA, The Department of Defense, And More than any other, The Department of State.

[roamer_1]

Severely constrained by the U. S. Senate, The CIA, The Department of Defense, And More than any other, The Department of State.

LOL!

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Cause the reckoning part belongs in the 3rd world dictatorships! Not here!

Deep in the heart of hardcore Trumpers lies a Jacobin just waiting for a chance to explode.

[LMAO]

Should a Republican president be siding with the likes of John Kerry and Bernie Sanders in attacking a conservative Republican over policy? This was the issue we had with McCain

Many of us who are critical of Trump do so from a conservative POV. We don’t side with the left in our criticisms. Nobody here, for example, has ever said they’re not voting for Trump because of the debunked “very fine people” statement

But when Trump attacks other Republicans, it’s either from the left or because they didn’t show him proper homage

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I take an entirely different view. And that's alright!

I'm convinced that the primary purpose of the entire COVID episode was to get rid of Trump and it failed.

Why would they have needed to do that when they can just rig elections to keep him out of office?

Just looking for some consistency here ...

[Bigun]

LOL!

Ignore/laugh at what I said at your peril. The ones I mentioned above are just the top tier. There are many layers below those. I'm done arguing with you about it.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The inability/unwillingness of so many Trump supporters to admit he made some serious - and obvious - errors with COVID is emblematic of a real concern a lot of us have about Trump.  See, we'd like to think that if he has a really stupid/bad idea, you guys would join the rest of us in putting pressure on him to stop/reconsider.    You know, rein in his worst impulses and support his best.  That would make it feel like he'd be less of a risk to fiscal sanity because his supporters would be on the right side of that issue.  And that would make him a less objectionable candidate.

But that's not how it is.   It's like you guys will refuse to criticize anything he does, or oppose any of his proposals no matter how misguided they may be.   Because as long as it is Trump doing it, you'll be behind him 100%.  And that just puts gasoline on the concerns a lot of us have about what he'd do in a second term.

[LMAO]

The inability/unwillingness of so many Trump supporters to admit he made some serious - and obvious - errors with COVID is emblematic of a real concern a lot of us have about Trump.  See, we'd like to think that if he has a really stupid/bad idea, you guys would join the rest of us in putting pressure on him to stop/reconsider.    You know, rein in his worst impulses and support his best.  That would make it feel like he'd be less of a risk to fiscal sanity because his supporters would be on the right side of that issue.  And that would make him a less objectionable candidate.

But that's not how it is.   It's like you guys will refuse to criticize anything he does, or oppose any of his proposals no matter how misguided they may be.   Because as long as it is Trump doing it, you'll be behind him 100%.  And that just puts gasoline on the concerns a lot of us have about what he'd do in a second term.

It’s no secret that if it was anybody else besides Donald Trump, they would 100% agree with us on not just the Covid issue, but other issues like his trade and fiscal policies

[DB]

Why would they have needed to do that when they can just rig elections to keep him out of office?

Just looking for some consistency here ...

The Chinese very badly wanted Trump gone. Democrats just rode the wave of what China did with Covid.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The Chinese very badly wanted Trump gone. Democrats just rode the wave of what China did with Covid.

So the Chinese wrecked their own economy, had massive increase, and killed a ton of their own people on the off chance that it would also mean Trump would lose the election?  Which according to you guys, he didn't?

Damn.....

Why didn't they just release it somewhere else where it wouldn't have killed so many of their own people, and couldn't be blamed on them?

[Bigun]

The inability/unwillingness of so many Trump supporters to admit he made some serious - and obvious - errors with COVID is emblematic of a real concern a lot of us have about Trump.  See, we'd like to think that if he has a really stupid/bad idea, you guys would join the rest of us in putting pressure on him to stop/reconsider.    You know, rein in his worst impulses and support his best.  That would make it feel like he'd be less of a risk to fiscal sanity because his supporters would be on the right side of that issue.  And that would make him a less objectionable candidate.

But that's not how it is.   It's like you guys will refuse to criticize anything he does, or oppose any of his proposals no matter how misguided they may be.   Because as long as it is Trump doing it, you'll be behind him 100%.  And that just puts gasoline on the concerns a lot of us have about what he'd do in a second term.

That's total BS! I've criticized lots of things Trump says and will continue to do so where warranted.

[Bigun]

So the Chinese wrecked their own economy, had massive increase, and killed a ton of their own people on the off chance that it would also mean Trump would lose the election?  Which according to you guys, he didn't?

Damn.....

Why didn't they just release it somewhere else where it wouldn't have killed so many of their own people, and couldn't be blamed on them?

They stopped all internal travel from Wuhan but allowed international flights to continue unabated. Getting rid of Trump at the cost of a few million Chinese was well worth it to them.

[DB]

So the Chinese wrecked their own economy, had massive increase, and killed a ton of their own people on the off chance that it would also mean Trump would lose the election?  Which according to you guys, he didn't?

Damn.....

Why didn't they just release it somewhere else where it wouldn't have killed so many of their own people, and couldn't be blamed on them?

The Chinese have a long history at using people as fodder to achieve their goals. They also thought they already had a vaccine for it. They had been studying it for years. So no, I wouldn't put it past them.

I'm not saying they did, but I'm also not saying they didn't. The timing was pretty exceptional... Trump would have easily won reelection if not for that.

[Bigun]

The Chinese have a long history at using people as fodder to achieve their goals. They also thought they already had a vaccine for it. They had been studying it for years. So no, I wouldn't put it past them.

I'm not saying they did, but I'm also not saying they didn't. The timing was pretty exceptional... Trump would have easily won reelection if not for that.

In truth, Trump won reelection in spite of it. Anyone who believes Biden got 81 million legitimate votes is delusional.

[LMAO]

I don’t believe that the Chinese released Covid onto the world just  to get rid of Donald Trump.

But the Democrats did use Covid as part of their arsenal against Trump. And that many in our government used Covid as an excuse  to expand their power and do things forbidden under our Constitution

[DB]

In truth, Trump won reelection in spite of it. Anyone who believes Biden got 81 million legitimate votes is delusional.

That is likely true too.

[libertybele]

The inability/unwillingness of so many Trump supporters to admit he made some serious - and obvious - errors with COVID is emblematic of a real concern a lot of us have about Trump.  See, we'd like to think that if he has a really stupid/bad idea, you guys would join the rest of us in putting pressure on him to stop/reconsider.    You know, rein in his worst impulses and support his best.  That would make it feel like he'd be less of a risk to fiscal sanity because his supporters would be on the right side of that issue.  And that would make him a less objectionable candidate.

But that's not how it is.   It's like you guys will refuse to criticize anything he does, or oppose any of his proposals no matter how misguided they may be.   Because as long as it is Trump doing it, you'll be behind him 100%.  And that just puts gasoline on the concerns a lot of us have about what he'd do in a second term.

I'm not a Trump supporter, but I have to commend him for quickly handling the pandemic based upon the advice given.  He was quick to work with 3M and other companies for masks and other PPE's for medical personnel, got makeshift hospitals up and running, etc.  I think he realized that Fauci was full of it when he criticized him so heavily for wanting to use hydrochloronique (sp?).  Within a short time he turned the issue back over to the states. Yes he ran up debt -- but he was fighting a pandemic (or so he was told) ; he was fighting a war that had been inflicted upon our country and much of the world.

Yes he made mistakes, but the pandemic was nothing more than an excuse to take down Trump and steal an election.

He made other mistakes during his presidency that I take issue with .... like him or not he was just wrongfully convicted.

[libertybele]

I don’t believe that the Chinese released Covid onto the world just  to get rid of Donald Trump.

But the Democrats did use Covid as part of their arsenal against Trump. And that many in our government used Covid as an excuse  to expand their power and do things forbidden under our Constitution

Let's see .... Brandon had fewer delegates than a couple of other candidates, and almost simultaneously all the candidates dropped out and voila -- COVID hit....the rest is history.

I believe that Brandon/DEMS/Soros/Fauci worked in concert to inflict a pandemic to take down Trump and gain control.  China I believe was hoping also to become the dominant power as well.  Yes it was pure evil, but so was the way the trial was handled that just convicted Trump of 34 felonies in order to keep him from running.  I don't believe the leftists are done yet.