LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict

[Bigun]

Hanging by a thread? You think there is still life in this country, a life that only this goddamned (literally) pervert we have hijacking the Republican Party can save? Are you clueless or just a liar?

This country is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late country! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in torment! If you hadn't nailed it to the perch, it would be pushing up the daisies! It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This is an ex-country! (to borrow from John Cleese)

I'm not a liar @jmyrlefuller! I just cannot bring myself to give up on the country I once fought and bleed for.

The rest of that I will not attempt to argue. I'm not blind either. For more years than you have been alive I've seen what was coming and prayed hard for God to send a mighty warrior to pull the fat out of the fire. HE sent Donald John Trump and I trust that HE knows what HE is doing.

[LMAO]

I think we are all despaired with the state of this country.  I know the binary case is getting old, but give thought to which of the two will do more damage. 

Trump may damage our status, but Biden is an obvious path to destruction.  Think about the past 3 1/2 years, and ponder how it will look in another 4 1/2.

Trump's a bad choice, but I see him as  political speed bump, rather than taking the car over the cliff with Pedo Joe.

I get your argument. And it is a compelling one I will admit. There’s no amount of torture that would even get me to consider voting for Biden


The problem is it’s pretty much guaranteed that after Trump, a potential two term democrat would more likely follow. Pray that it won’t be an Elizabeth Warren clone or we will “fondly”  reminisce about the “good times”  under Biden


I look at the very major mistakes that he made in his first term that he still won’t acknowledge and I look at what he’s proposing and his leftward shift and say no thanks


Acknowledge his mistakes in his first term and seek penance and give up his economic populism, and I will reconsider. IOWs, sound more like Javier and less like Bernie

Anyways, I have majorly  hijacked this thread and  out of courtesy for the management, I’ll move on unless something interesting comes up

My penance for hijacking will be a donation to keep this forum running

[Bigun]

https://twitter.com/LeeSmithDC/status/1796749765784289631

[Bigun]

"Show me the man and I'll show you the crime."

Lavrentiy Beria, Secret Police Chief to Josef Stalin

[Bigun]

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1796898652528456089

[jmyrlefuller]

I think we are all despaired with the state of this country.  I know the binary case is getting old, but give thought to which of the two will do more damage. 

Trump may damage our status, but Biden is an obvious path to destruction.  Think about the past 3 1/2 years, and ponder how it will look in another 4 1/2.

Trump's a bad choice, but I see him as  political speed bump, rather than taking the car over the cliff with Pedo Joe.

I remember full well my three years of unemployment under Trump... my continued lack of a wife or children. Trump and Biden both are complicit in ruining our society. If you think Trump is slightly better just because he stole an R to put next to his name, you're fooling yourself.

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[Right_in_Virginia]

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1796588162564882714

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1796898652528456089

Great find.  Thanks for posting.

[Hoodat]

Eight Republican Senators respond to lawfare against Trump, pledge to no longer cooperate with any Democrat legislative priorities or nominations

Harris Rigby  ·  Jun 1, 2024

Guys, Republicans might be starting to learn something.

A cohort of US Senators, led by Utah's Mike Lee, have signed a pledge to no longer cooperate in any way with the Democrats in the Senate. No more Democrat bills. No more Biden nominees. Nothing.

https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee/status/1796600766691672394

We've got the Mike Lee 8 here.

Mike Lee (R-Utah), JD Vance (R-Ohio), Tommy Tuberville (R-Alabama), Eric Schmitt (R- Missouri), Marsha Blackburn (R-Tennessee), Rick Scott (R-Florida), Roger Marshall (R- Kansas), and Marco Rubio (R- Florida) have all put their names to this letter decrying the White House's "mockery of the rule of law" which has "fundamentally altered our politics in un-American ways."  .  .  .

https://notthebee.com/article/mike-lee-seven-other-republican-senators-respond-to-lawfare-against-trump-pledge-to-no-longer-cooperate-with-any-democrat-legislative-priorities-or-nominations


About damn time.  Why did it take you this long?  Democrats are not your friends.  They want you dead.

[Bigun]

Eight is a good start!

[LMAO]

Eight Republican Senators respond to lawfare against Trump, pledge to no longer cooperate with any Democrat legislative priorities or nominations

Harris Rigby  ·  Jun 1, 2024

Guys, Republicans might be starting to learn something.

A cohort of US Senators, led by Utah's Mike Lee, have signed a pledge to no longer cooperate in any way with the Democrats in the Senate. No more Democrat bills. No more Biden nominees. Nothing.

https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee/status/1796600766691672394

We've got the Mike Lee 8 here.

Mike Lee (R-Utah), JD Vance (R-Ohio), Tommy Tuberville (R-Alabama), Eric Schmitt (R- Missouri), Marsha Blackburn (R-Tennessee), Rick Scott (R-Florida), Roger Marshall (R- Kansas), and Marco Rubio (R- Florida) have all put their names to this letter decrying the White House's "mockery of the rule of law" which has "fundamentally altered our politics in un-American ways."  .  .  .

https://notthebee.com/article/mike-lee-seven-other-republican-senators-respond-to-lawfare-against-trump-pledge-to-no-longer-cooperate-with-any-democrat-legislative-priorities-or-nominations


About damn time.  Why did it take you this long?  Democrats are not your friends.  They want you dead.

So they won’t help Democrats pass bills or with any of their legislative priorities because of this trial. What the hell were they doing before this? No wonder why conservatives no longer  have a party to call home

[libertybele]

I remember full well my three years of unemployment under Trump... my continued lack of a wife or children. Trump and Biden both are complicit in ruining our society. If you think Trump is slightly better just because he stole an R to put next to his name, you're fooling yourself.

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No I don't think he's any better because he has an 'R' next to his name.  I am comparing my life under Trump v. Biden.  Trump wins that hands down.

As for voting for either one of them ... well, I've been reading that we need to work with who we have .... but IMHO there's still some uncertainty surrounding Trump being the nominee. 

[Bigun]

https://twitter.com/DefiyantlyFree/status/1796527931248030143

[Lando Lincoln]

Eight is a good start!

 

[Elderberry]

Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
NEW: Alvin Bragg's former colleague and current CNN legal analyst is calling out the rigged Trump case, even accusing Judge Juan Merchan of violating the law.
 
Elie Honig says the trial "blew his mind" as he called it an "unjustified mess."
 
"The judge donated money - a tiny amount of $35, but in plain violation of a rule prohibiting New York judges from making political donations of any kind to a pro-Biden, anti-Trump political operation," he wrote in the NY Magazine.

"The charges against Trump are obscure and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor... has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything."

"None. Ever. Even putting aside the specifics of election law, the Manhattan DA itself almost never brings any case in which falsification of business records is the only charge."

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1796908958453760177

[DCPatriot]

Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
NEW: Alvin Bragg's former colleague and current CNN legal analyst is calling out the rigged Trump case, even accusing Judge Juan Merchan of violating the law.
 
Elie Honig says the trial "blew his mind" as he called it an "unjustified mess."
 
"The judge donated money - a tiny amount of $35, but in plain violation of a rule prohibiting New York judges from making political donations of any kind to a pro-Biden, anti-Trump political operation," he wrote in the NY Magazine.

"The charges against Trump are obscure and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor... has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything."

"None. Ever. Even putting aside the specifics of election law, the Manhattan DA itself almost never brings any case in which falsification of business records is the only charge."

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1796908958453760177

Merely asking: Is Elie Honig attempting to distance himself from future retribution in a future purge of the Deep State?

[Timber Rattler]

About damn time.  Why did it take you this long?  Democrats are not your friends.  They want you dead.

Begs the question about why they were "cooperating" in the first place.

[Elderberry]

KanekoaTheGreat
@KanekoaTheGreat

CNN Senior Legal Analyst Describes How The Trump Conviction Was A Political Hit Job

CNN Senior Legal Analyst Describes How The Trump Conviction Was A Political Hit Job

1. "The judge donated money... in plain violation of a rule prohibiting New York judges from making political donations—to a pro-Biden, anti-Trump political operation."

2. Alvin Bragg boasted on the campaign trail in an overwhelmingly Democrat county, “It is a fact that I have sued Trump over 100 times.”

3. "Most importantly, the DA’s charges against Trump push the outer boundaries of the law and due process."

4. "The charges against Trump are obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever."

More: https://x.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1796577680919511048

[Elderberry]

A Primer on the Trump Case

Powerline by Steven Hayward 6/2/2024

For readers still puzzled about exactly how the Trump trial went down and why Alvin Bragg’s case was so convoluted, Brad Smith, former chairman of the Federal Election Commission whose testimony on this point was disallowed by Judge Merchan, offers this primer in two long threads on Twitter/X:

    Falsifying business records under NY law is a misdemeanor, unless done to hide a crime. Bragg says that crime was a violation of the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA), or of a NY statute making it illegal to influence an election by “unlawful” means.

    But if the latter, what is the “unlawful means?” An alleged violation of FECA. So it comes down to FECA. There are two potential violations here. One is acceptance of an unlawful contribution by the campaign. The other is incorrect reporting of a contribution by the campaign.

    Either way, we have to have a campaign contribution. That allegedly occurred when Cohen advanced money to pay the Stormy Daniels settlement. FECA defines a contribution as any payment made “for the purpose of influencing an election.” The 2016 max legal contribution was $2700.

    This looks bad for Trump–it’s pretty easy to conclude the payment was made to influence the election by buying Daniels’ silence, right? And Cohen paid Daniels $130K, way over the limit. Well, it’s not so simple.

    First, let’s clear up something. Cohen just loaned the money–he was paid back and then some. So where, some ask, is the contribution? But this is not a winner for Trump–under the law a “contribution” includes a loan, unless made in the ordinary course of business (e.g. a bank).

    But, for context, note that there is no limit on how much Trump can contribute to his own campaign. By Oct 27, when Daniels was paid, Trump had already spent >$60 million of his own $$ on the campaign. It would have been easy for him to toss in another $130K.

More: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/06/a-primer-on-the-trump-case.php

[Hoodat]

I get your argument. And it is a compelling one I will admit. There’s no amount of torture that would even get me to consider voting for Biden

The problem is it’s pretty much guaranteed that after Trump, a potential two term democrat would more likely follow. Pray that it won’t be an Elizabeth Warren clone or we will “fondly”  reminisce about the “good times”  under Biden

I look at the very major mistakes that he made in his first term that he still won’t acknowledge and I look at what he’s proposing and his leftward shift and say no thanks

Acknowledge his mistakes in his first term and seek penance and give up his economic populism, and I will reconsider. IOWs, sound more like Javier and less like Bernie

Spot on.

[Lando Lincoln]

KanekoaTheGreat
@KanekoaTheGreat

CNN Senior Legal Analyst Describes How The Trump Conviction Was A Political Hit Job

CNN Senior Legal Analyst Describes How The Trump Conviction Was A Political Hit Job

1. "The judge donated money... in plain violation of a rule prohibiting New York judges from making political donations—to a pro-Biden, anti-Trump political operation."

2. Alvin Bragg boasted on the campaign trail in an overwhelmingly Democrat county, “It is a fact that I have sued Trump over 100 times.”

3. "Most importantly, the DA’s charges against Trump push the outer boundaries of the law and due process."

4. "The charges against Trump are obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever."

More: https://x.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1796577680919511048

For later. Thanks for the post.

[240B]

 I remember full well my three years of unemployment under Trump... my continued lack of a wife or children. Trump and Biden both are complicit in ruining our society. If you think Trump is slightly better just because he stole an R to put next to his name, you're fooling yourself.

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@jmyrlefuller
Perfect liberal rant. All the things you describe have nothing at all to do with Trump, or anyone, except you. I majored in CompSci. You majored in meteorology. That is not Trump's fault. Your lack of wife and children is a grievance which is as old as time. Trump has nothing to do with that.

To say that Trump and Biden are 'essentially' the same thing is beyond delusional.

Mr. Fuller, you are the best. I wish for you nothing but good times and success. May all your goals come true. However, your 'sense of reality' really is a few degrees off center.

[Hoodat]

I can't even comprehend being unemployed for three years.  I can't imagine not earning a living.  I'd get a job driving a truck, picking up trash, or laying sod before I'd sit at home for three years without working for a paycheck.

[Bigun]

https://twitter.com/GreggJarrett/status/1797746817251098949

[jmyrlefuller]

I can't even comprehend being unemployed for three years.  I can't imagine not earning a living.  I'd get a job driving a truck, picking up trash, or laying sod before I'd sit at home for three years without working for a paycheck.

"I'd get a job driving a truck" CDLs cost thousands of dollars. And most every other job that was accessible to someone with my degree and credentials either turned me down or was never hiring. Even a casino, a casino whose main purpose for getting approved was to provide jobs for those who needed them, decided I was just too autistic for them.

And that was under Trump's greatest economy in the world. There was no room for me.

And you wonder why I'm the mess I am, and why I'm so adamant that that man never needs to be treated seriously by anyone, ever again?