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Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« on: May 27, 2024, 12:56:25 pm »
How can atheists delude themselves that there is an infinite number of universes to try to circumvent the Anthropic Principle which is a scientific analysis of the statistical insuperability of physical constants necessary for THE ONLY universe possible, ours?
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2024, 01:10:50 pm »
Not sure about that premise since the same physical constants in our universe could be applied to others.  Don't want to place limits on what G-d can do.  But there is the matter of how 'infinite number of universes" came to be in the first place.  Wouldn't there need to be a Creator for that?
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2024, 01:41:36 pm »
The point made by the Anthropic Principle analysis is that these many values are so precise and so many that they are IMPOSSIBLE unless established by intelligent design.  Why would the intelligent designer make numerous identical universes?
Atheists formerly claimed that our universe was too large just to have been made for humans. Now they have gone crazy in the other direction and evidently carried you along with them.
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2024, 01:53:08 pm »
Quote from: ChemEngrMBA on May 27, 2024, 01:41:36 pm
Why would the intelligent designer make numerous identical universes?

Because He has OCD?
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2024, 04:01:02 pm »
Some of the best SF movies and novels I have read are using the theme of the multiverse.

Makes for wonderful reading and/or watching
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2024, 05:03:58 pm »
A few points:  first, the version of the multiverse that tries to avoid the obvious conclusions from the fine-tuning of physical constants should not be confused with the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, which is trying to make quantum mechanics look more like classical mechanics by avoiding the collapse of the wave function when an observation is made.  (I find interpretations of quantum mechanics pointless, because having learned my physics in the reverse of the usual order -- quantum mechanics and general relativity first, since they impinged on my mathematical research, then classical physics from being asked to teach Calc III and Diff Eq -- I see no point in trying to make quantum mechanics look like classical mechanics.  We understand why large ensembles of quantum mechanical particles act classically because we understand quantum decoherence and have formulated statistical mechanics -- though it's not quite fair to say we understand statistical mechanics.)

Second, and this should be pointed out to any atheist invoking it:  Occam's razor favors a single transcendent deity as the source of our ordered universe over the existence of a vast, perhaps infinite, number of universes most of which have physics that doesn't lead to the interesting phenomena (like us) that we observe in the one universe we know by observation exists.  Moreover this multiplicity of other entities are just as unverfiable by observation as is God.  If they could be observed, they would, perforce be part of our universe, not part of another.  If the atheist really cannot stand the idea of a personal absolute as the source of being, he or she would be better off becoming a Taoist, and at least having a single, self-less absolute as the ground of being, rather than adopting a non-empiricially verfiable position that falls to Occam's razor when compared with monotheism.
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2024, 06:56:55 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on May 27, 2024, 01:53:08 pm
Because He has OCD?

Very smartass answer.   Typical of atheists, whether or not you are one.
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2024, 07:13:24 pm »
Multiverse is just boring... and borders on magical thinking. It's only purpose seems to be a way to bring superheroes back to life... and not the most imaginative way to do even that.
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2024, 07:30:29 pm »
Maybe they should work on figuring out if there are other dimensions and what they are before they wonder about a multiverse.
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2024, 10:00:01 pm »
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2024, 01:03:28 am »
Quote from: ChemEngrMBA on May 27, 2024, 06:56:55 pm
Very smartass answer.   Typical of atheists, whether or not you are one.

Atheists aren't that witty.  But take a look at the universe some time.  G-d is constantly creating new stars.
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2024, 02:43:49 pm »
Wonderful lecture by Peter Hitchens, former atheist:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj3nyAemX9w

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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2024, 02:54:32 pm »
No matter how many multi-verses exist, I bet there's nothing good to watch on TV in any of them.
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2024, 06:02:37 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on July 01, 2024, 02:54:32 pm
No matter how many multi-verses exist, I bet there's nothing good to watch on TV in any of them.

Says the fellow with an image of nonsense TV cartoon he undoubtedly enjoys watching......
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Re: Atheist Fantasy of Multiverse is Anti-Science
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2024, 05:28:07 pm »
I followed up on a Wall Street Journal article I read years ago, out of curiosity.   The article concerned Larry Hillbloom, founder of DHL Express.  After becoming a billionaire, he moved to Palau in Micronesia and bought some seaplanes to fly around the Pacific.  In Vietnam, Micronesia, and Philippines,  he established contacts to set him up with attractive young virgins for sex, some as young as 14. 

In 1995, he took off with two friends and their seaplane crashed but Larry's body was never found.  There would be no story but for the young girls' claims that he fathered their four children and they wanted inheritance for them.
With no body and no DNA, Larry's attorney said they could not prove paternity. Searching for DNA, legal eagles scoured Larry's residence but found that Larry's scumbags cleaned everything of Larry's DNA so his fortune of $900,000,000 would go to UC San Francisco for research.

Smart attorneys compared DNA in the four children and they were consistent with Larry's and his mother's and siblings, despite their original refusal to give any samples.

Here's where it gets crazy.  Larry graduated from the Boalt Law School at UC Berkeley.  He was an attorney but left out any provision for his offspring in his will.  BIG MISTAKE!  Courts awarded $90 million to each of four children, $50 million each after income taxes and fees to Loky Nguyen of Vietnam, Jelun Cuartero of Philippines,  and Mercadito Feliciano and Larry Junior Hillbloom of Palau.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree, however.  Larry Junior didn't have enough money so he was smuggling methamphetamines into the U.S. after moving to Idaho. In 2021, Larry Junior was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

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