Will Trump win NY?

[corbe]

   Trump, a lifelong resident of NY. 
   Can he honestly expect to pull Queens and Brooklyn out of the hat in conjunction with the rest of the Red State of NY and carry the 28 EV's?

[libertybele]

The GOP truly sucks, but so does most of Congress.

IF the Bronx rally is any indication, I think Trump could win NY -- that is provided that NY's election is w/o fraud which is unlikely.

[Kamaji]

Trump won't win NY.  That rally may have seemed impressive, but it was only 30k people or so, and NYC has millions of eligible voters, most of them democrat (or further left).

[libertybele]

Trump won't win NY.  That rally may have seemed impressive, but it was only 30k people or so, and NYC has millions of eligible voters, most of them democrat (or further left).

That may be but 30,000 for an outdoor rally is still impressive in an impoverished neighborhood. The demographics of the Bronx is appx. 56% Hispanic and 28% African-American.

Regardless, that rally was reported on by major networks which they've failed to focus on in the past so Trump made people stand up and take notice. 

The message couldn't have been more clear at his really (it is worth watching) -- Trump is for the Hispanic and the Black people.  Biden can't make that claim; in fact he demonstrates otherwise and has made racist comments about them.

[corbe]

   He may conceivably take the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn BUT he'll never take Manhattan (the place that borne him his Fame), which draws the common conclusion that he'll never take NY 28.

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't know if Trump can pull off a win in NY, but Biden may have to spend more money than he expected to.

[corbe]

   Next ya know, he'll be headin to California.

[LMAO]

Trump is for the Hispanic and the Black people. 

In what way?

[LMAO]

   He may conceivably take the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn BUT he'll never take Manhattan (the place that borne him his Fame), which draws the common conclusion that he'll never take NY 28.

I wouldn't even bet the Bronx. That's in AOC's district along with parts of Queens, I believe

[libertybele]

   Next ya know, he'll be headin to California.

Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.

[libertybele]

In what way?

Under Trump we had the lowest unemployment for both Blacks and Hispanics in history.  There's something to be said for that.  In particular for the Blacks, he made an attempt and IIRC hired someone to go through some of the prison records of Blacks incarcerated for petty crappola and he pardoned some of them.

Under President Trump's leadership, new jobs and investment are pouring into nearly 9,000 newly-designated Opportunity Zones, home to more than 9 million Hispanic Americans. In 2018, a net 362,000 Hispanics achieved the dream of homeownership—the largest such gain since 2005.

Whether I agree or not with the 'Opportunity Zones', both Hispanics and Blacks prospered under Trump.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-america-first-policies-uplifting-empowering-hispanic-americans/

[DCPatriot]

Under Trump we had the lowest unemployment for both Blacks and Hispanics in history.  There's something to be said for that.  In particular for the Blacks, he made an attempt and IIRC hired someone to go through some of the prison records of Blacks incarcerated for petty crappola and he pardoned some of them.

Under President Trump's leadership, new jobs and investment are pouring into nearly 9,000 newly-designated Opportunity Zones, home to more than 9 million Hispanic Americans. In 2018, a net 362,000 Hispanics achieved the dream of homeownership—the largest such gain since 2005.

Whether I agree or not with the 'Opportunity Zones', both Hispanics and Blacks prospered under Trump.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/how-trump-grew-his-support-among-latinos/617033/

President Trump's intent was to prove that a rising tide floats ALL boats.  White one, Black ones, Brown and Yellow ones!

In the end he proved to the minorities that they indeed had "...nothing to lose by voting for him".

[libertybele]

President Trump's intent was to prove that a rising tide floats ALL boats.  White one, Black ones, Brown and Yellow ones!

In the end he proved to the minorities that they indeed had "...nothing to lose by voting for him".

On that we agree @DCPatriot 

[LMAO]

Under Trump we had the lowest unemployment for both Blacks and Hispanics in history. 

Nope

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006

[Wingnut]

Trump is being held against his will in NY.  So why not go to the Bronx  I actually watched a lot of his rally.  Dude was on fire for 90 minutes.  The only thing that Biden can do for 90 min is to try to work up a solid bm.  The bacon line was point on. 

[Smokin Joe]

Do you mean before the fraud is applied or when the Democrats quit counting ballots in January?

[Kamaji]

That may be but 30,000 for an outdoor rally is still impressive in an impoverished neighborhood. The demographics of the Bronx is appx. 56% Hispanic and 28% African-American.

Regardless, that rally was reported on by major networks which they've failed to focus on in the past so Trump made people stand up and take notice. 

The message couldn't have been more clear at his really (it is worth watching) -- Trump is for the Hispanic and the Black people.  Biden can't make that claim; in fact he demonstrates otherwise and has made racist comments about them.

Shrug.  Trump won’t win NY.  There’s much more support for Trump upstate, always has been, but the fascists who vote in NYC outweigh all the others.  Trump won’t win NY. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Shrug.  Trump won’t win NY.  There’s much more support for Trump upstate, always has been, but the fascists who vote in NYC outweigh all the others.  Trump won’t win NY.

That's what I think.  But...the Biden crew may decide they better start spending on Ad buys in a very expensive media market.

[Kamaji]

That's what I think.  But...the Biden crew may decide they better start spending on Ad buys in a very expensive media market.

If we can get them to spend money there, that’d be great; but let’s be honest with ourselves: the goal is to make them waste scarce resources that could do damage if spent in other states. 

[Cyber Liberty]

If we can get them to spend money there, that’d be great; but let’s be honest with ourselves: the goal is to make them waste scarce resources that could do damage if spent in other states.

That's correct.

[Drago]

He will win a majority of (upstate) counties, but like Calif. the majority of the pop. lives in the minority of counties (NYC). Even most of Long Island is semi-red/pink.

[cato potatoe]

Trump lost his home state by 24 points.  My guess is Biden will carry it by 15% or more.  It isn’t necessarily a bad idea to campaign there, because of the house races.  But understand a candidate Trump was toxic in the northeast, and that has not changed to any large degree.  Biden is sitting on high 30s approval in New Hampshire, but he likely will carry the state anyway. 

[DCPatriot]

With all due respect, you are all so out of touch, it's like you've been in a coma these past few years.

"IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!!!" ...James Carville

[LMAO]

With all due respect /s ...you are all so out of touch, it's like you've been in a coma these past few years.

"IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!!!" ...James Carville

It’s the debt and the size of government that’s the problem. That’s the biggest threat to the economy.

Trump helped massively pile that on, even before the pandemic, and wants to do even more if re elected.  From an economic and fiscal standpoint, he’s more similar to Biden and Obama. The facts and history back it. For example, more jobs were created  in Obama’s  last three years than Trump’s first three years. And despite his promise, not one year during the Trump presidency did we hit GDP of 3% or greater. And all of that, despite trillions of more debt added. And his first trade war caused harm to the economy and he wants another and more damaging one should he win


https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/05/20/trumps-tariffs-were-much-more-damaging-than-thought/?sh=fe52e1765bdb



There’s the Trump record and reality and then there’s the Trump that his supporters create in their minds. You want to bring the Trump/Biden  inflation rate down to a tolerable rate? Stop the trillion dollar deficits and the printing required to finance them. Trump wants a weaker dollar and he wants lower interest rates. Both would punish consumers and savers, especially in an inflationary economy


This is Bernie Sanders type trade, fiscal, and monetary policies. I wouldn’t vote for Sanders because of that. And as long as Trump adopts and runs on Sander lite policies, my same rule applies

[DCPatriot]

It’s the debt and the size of government that’s the problem. That’s the biggest threat to the economy.

Trump helped massively pile that on, even before the pandemic, and wants to do even more if re elected.  From an economic and fiscal standpoint, he’s more similar to Biden and Obama. The facts and history back it. For example, more jobs were created  in Obama’s  last three years than Trump’s first three years. And despite his promise, not one year during the Trump presidency did we hit GDP of 3% or greater. And all of that, despite trillions of more debt added. And his first trade war caused harm to the economy and he wants another and more damaging one should he win


https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/05/20/trumps-tariffs-were-much-more-damaging-than-thought/?sh=fe52e1765bdb



There’s the Trump record and reality and then there’s the Trump that his supporters create in their minds. You want to bring the Trump/Biden  inflation rate down to a tolerable rate? Stop the trillion dollar deficits and the printing required to finance them. Trump wants a weaker dollar and he wants lower interest rates. Both would punish consumers and savers, especially in an inflationary economy


This is Bernie Sanders type trade, fiscal, and monetary policies. I wouldn’t vote for Sanders because of that. And as long as Trump adopts and runs on Sander lite policies, my same rule applies

Thank you for the information/opinion @LMAO

The entire point of the thread isn't about the cause of the deficits.

It's about who the common vote will NOT accept more of the same rising costs of soup to nuts bullshit we've been living with since 2021.

[LMAO]

Thank you for the information/opinion @LMAO

The entire point of the thread isn't about the cause of the deficits.

It's about who the common vote will NOT accept more of the same rising costs of soup to nuts bullshit we've been living with since 2021.

But it was you who posted that it’s the economy as the reason to vote for Trump, did you not? Its  right  above my response to you in case you forgot

You even bolded it and enlarged it for emphasis. And so when I pointed out the folly with facts and his record on why thinking Trump will improve that, suddenly you don’t want to talk about it

And trillion dollar plus deficits and reckless monetary policy absolutely are connected to the costs of everything going up. If that is as big of a concern for you as you claim, then yes, this thread is about the debt and deficits.

[DCPatriot]

But it was you who posted that it’s the economy as the reason to vote for Trump, did you not? Its  right  above my response to you in case you forgot

You even bolded it and enlarged it for emphasis. And so when I pointed out the folly with facts and his record on why thinking Trump will improve that, suddenly you don’t want to talk about it

"Trump" has nothing to do with my post.

It has everything to do with the fact voters will NOT show up to vote for more of the same.

[LMAO]

"Trump" has nothing to do with my post.

 

[DCPatriot]

 

 

Was just comparing today to the country's attitude toward Jimmy Carter back in 1980...that's all.   

Trump WILL take New York!  BLEEP Manhattan! 

[LMAO]

Was just comparing today to the country's attitude toward Jimmy Carter back in 1980...that's all.   

 

Besides, this isn’t 1980

Carter left office with unemployment at over 7% with gas lines and rationing with double digit inflation
and interest rates


That’s not the case in 2024.

[The_Reader_David]

Forcing the 'Rats to defend what they thought were safe states is worth at least a little effort and money.  Of the usually deep blue states, NY (and maybe NJ) are easiest for Trump to target because he's stuck there to be present for the proceedings of the kangaroo court.  Effort spent there might also flip a few House seats, which would be good regardless of who wins the White House.

[libertybele]

Forcing the 'Rats to defend what they thought were safe states is worth at least a little effort and money.  Of the usually deep blue states, NY (and maybe NJ) are easiest for Trump to target because he's stuck there to be present for the proceedings of the kangaroo court.  Effort spent there might also flip a few House seats, which would be good regardless of who wins the White House.

Great point. I had never considered that he might flip a few House seats which would indeed be great regardless of who wins the WH.

[LMAO]

Great point. I had never considered that he might flip a few House seats which would indeed be great regardless of who wins the WH.

That happened in the New York governor race of 2022. Although Lee Zeldin lost the race for New York governor,  three or four House seats from New York flipped that year to Republican

[Kamaji]

With all due respect, you are all so out of touch, it's like you've been in a coma these past few years.

"IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!!!" ...James Carville

That doesn't change the fact that Trump will not win NY.

[Hoodat]

The first option is the stoner option, @corbe

[DCPatriot]

That doesn't change the fact that Trump will not win NY.

The idea that President Trump doesn't win every State kind of scares the heck out of me...for my children and grandchildren.

To quote The Princess Bride...It's "INCONCEIVALBE" !! when you look at the damage to this nation since noon, January 20th 2009.

As history is written by the winners, I sincerely hope the Democrat Party goes the way of the Klu Klux Klan into the trash bin.

[roamer_1]

The idea that President Trump doesn't win every State kind of scares the heck out of me...for my children and grandchildren.

To quote The Princess Bride...It's "INCONCEIVALBE" !! when you look at the damage to this nation since noon, January 20th 2009.

As history is written by the winners, I sincerely hope the Democrat Party goes the way of the Klu Klux Klan into the trash bin.

Wish in one hand...

But Tumpy's not going to win NY.

[Hoodat]

The idea that President Trump doesn't win every State kind of scares the heck out of me...for my children and grandchildren.

Well that's what can happen when you run candidates with negatives as high as Trump and with a proven track record of failing to win a majority of the vote.  Twice.

Any other candidate?  It would be a Republican blowout.  But with Trump on the ballot, it will be a miracle to keep the House and win the Senate.

[DCPatriot]

Well that's what can happen when you run candidates with negatives as high as Trump and with a proven track record of failing to win a majority of the vote.  Twice.

Any other candidate?  It would be a Republican blowout.  But with Trump on the ballot, it will be a miracle to keep the House and win the Senate.

       

[Hoodat]

2016 - Trump:  46.1% of the vote.  Dems gain two Senate seats.  Dems gain 6 house seats.
2020 - Trump wins 46.8% of the vote.  Dems gain control of the Senate.  Dems hold the House.


FACTS.

Mitt Romney won a higher percentage of the vote in 2012 than Trump ever got.  But then Romney ran considerably to the right of Trump.

[DCPatriot]

2016 - Trump:  46.1% of the vote.  Dems gain two Senate seats.  Dems gain 6 house seats.
2020 - Trump wins 46.8% of the vote.  Dems gain control of the Senate.  Dems hold the House.


FACTS.

Mitt Romney won a higher percentage of the vote in 2012 than Trump ever got.  But then Romney ran considerably to the right of Trump.

Uh-huh...not talking about the tallied results...was laughing at the idea Biden received 81 million votes.
 

[Hoodat]

With all due respect, you are all so out of touch, it's like you've been in a coma these past few years.

"IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!!!" ...James Carville

Which of course has nothing at all to do with Trump.  By this reasoning, the GOP could run any candidate, and that candidate would win.  So why run the risk of running one with such high negatives?

As for Biden in 2020, it's not a question of Biden receiving 81 million votes.  It's a question of the candidate running against Trump receiving 81 million votes.  Biden had nothing to do with it.  Clearly, some people working behind the scenes went to a lot of trouble keeping Trump out of office, meaning that his negatives are a huge liability for the GOP.  Run someone else with much lower negatives, and the GOP wins a landslide across the board.

[DCPatriot]

Which of course has nothing at all to do with Trump.  By this reasoning, the GOP could run any candidate, and that candidate would win.  So why run the risk of running one with such high negatives?

As for Biden in 2020, it's not a question of Biden receiving 81 million votes.  It's a question of the candidate running against Trump receiving 81 million votes.  Biden had nothing to do with it.  Clearly, some people working behind the scenes went to a lot of trouble keeping Trump out of office, meaning that his negatives are a huge liability for the GOP.  Run someone else with much lower negatives, and the GOP wins a landslide across the board.

Name one more Republican who could draw the size of crowds Pres Trump does?   We'll wait. 

[roamer_1]

Name one more Republican who could draw the size of crowds Pres Trump does?   We'll wait. 

Drawing a crowd don't mean shit - As is already proven.
You need something more than celebrity.

[LMAO]

Drawing a crowd don't mean shit - As is already proven.
You need something more than celebrity.

All Hillary had to do was campaign in states like Michigan and Wisconsin and work to get out the vote in those states and not take them for granted and she would’ve won

And that is despite the fact that Donald Trump drew bigger crowds. Hillary’s error and the EC  allowed Trump to eek out a lucky win

The GOP has been on a losing streak since then

[DCPatriot]

ROFL!

@LMAO   @roamer_1  @Hoodat

Would you guyz care to share the name of the strain y'all are smoking?  Got to get me some of that shit!! 

[LMAO]

ROFL!

@LMAO   @roamer_1  @Hoodat

Would you guyz care to share the name of the strain y'all are smoking?  Got to get me some of that shit!!

Well, first we have to figure out what you’re disputing

For example, in my home state of Wisconsin, Trump beat Hillary by .77%. Hillary never campaigned in this state. Because she took it for granted that she would get it, like she did in Michigan and Pennsylvania, there was no real ground campaign in places like Madison and Milwaukee

In the popular vote, Hillary beat Trump. Trump won in 2016 because we don’t elect president with the popular vote. But Trump did not get 50% plus of the popular vote

And in Michigan, the percentage difference between Trump and Hillary was even tighter than Wi

[DCPatriot]

Well, first we have to figure out what you’re disputing

For example, in my home state of Wisconsin, Trump beat Hillary by .77%. Hillary never campaigned in this state. Because she took it for granted that she would get it, like she did in Michigan and Pennsylvania, there was no real ground campaign in places like Madison and Milwaukee

In the popular vote, Hillary beat Trump. Trump won in 2016 because we don’t elect president with the popular vote. But Trump did not get 50% plus of the popular vote


All of this is factual and verifiable. Whether  you accept it or not is up to you

I'm searching for that graphic which shows a complete breakdown summary of how many counties and parishes each WINNING candidate won in previous elections.

The clear message was the entire 2020 Election was stolen outright...no way the POS Biden  won the Presidency.

[Hoodat]

Name one more Republican who could draw the size of crowds Pres Trump does?   We'll wait.

Gee, it took no time at all for you to rip up those goal posts and plant them elsewhere.  What part of '46 %' do you not get?

[DCPatriot]

Gee, it took no time at all for you to rip up those goal posts and plant them elsewhere.  What part of '46 %' do you not get?

LOL!  Happy Memorial Day!